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    The Falklands were first sighted and mapped by the Portugese in 1522, and left un-named, until re-discovered in 1592 by John Davis who sighted them and named them Davis Land.

    In 1594 Richard Hawkins visited and mapped them, and then re-named the islands Hawkin's Maidenland.

    Dutchman Sebald de Weert arrived there in 1600, named them Sebald Islands (Islas Sebaldinas in Spanish)

    Nearly 100 years later in 1690 John Strong landed there and named the channel between the two main islands Falkland Channel.

    That name then stuck until the French arrived in 1764 to establish Port Louise and name the islands Isles Malouines.

    In 1765, John Byron claimed the islands as British on the grounds of prior discovery.
    In 1766 John McBride established a colony there at Port Egmont.

    In 1767 the French left the Falklands on demand by Spain who clamed the islands by right of prior discovery, (of which there are no records), but the French did what they were good at, they retreated.

    IN 1767, the Spanish re-named the French port Puerto Solodad and changed the French name Isles Malouines to Las Malvinas.

    IN 1770 the Spanish arrived from Argentina with 1,400 men and forced the British to leave Port Egmont, starting the first Falklands crisis which lasted until January1771.

    In 1771 he colony at Port Belmont was then re-established by John Stott who arrived with the ships HMS Florida, HMS Hound and HMS Juno. Port Egmont then served as a port of call for British ships headed around Cape Horn.

    In 1776 Britain withdrew its troops from Port Egmont
    , as the American War of Independence forced Britain to cut back on colonial expenditure. Britaion left a plaque there asserting British claim to the territory.

    But in 1780 the Spanish forced the population of sealers there off the islands, claiming them as their own again and destroyed Port Egmont and the British plaque of claim left there.

    Spain kept a garrison there until 1811, when it too was forced to withdraw because of the Spanish Peninsular War.

    Until 6th November 1820,British and American sealers then used the islands, when an American, David Jewett claimed the islands on behalf of the United Provinces of the River Plate, a predecessor conglomerate to the future state of Argentina, but made no mention of his claim when reporting lengthily to Buenos Aires in February 1821.
    In fact the first the world knew of his claim was in a news account in Massachusetts.

    After that until 1833
    a series of privateers and pirates, gentlemen of fortune, entrepeneurs and con-men attempted to secure the Falklands Islands on behalf of the PP of the River Plate, later Argentina, after being given all sorts of licences and territorial rights by the fledgling state.

    In 1833 Britain re-established its control over the Falklands Islands.
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    Thanks, but we are all able to look on Wikipedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Why do you feel that they are there illegally ?
    because technically they belong to Spain/Argentina,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
    Thanks, but we are all able to look on Wikipedia
    Sure, but I posted that as a brief chronology of claims, since some would have it that the Spanish and thus by extension Argentina have some sort of prior claim to the territory, which they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    by extension Argentina have some sort of prior claim to the territory, which they don't.
    of course they do, who are you now, an International lawyer ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Why do you feel that they are there illegally ?
    because technically they belong to Spain/Argentina,
    Do elaborate , explain in detail in which way they belong to Argentina .
    Why do you feel that Argentina has a claim to the Falklands ?

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    I had to laugh this morning. On France24 the newsreader described the Falklands as being a few kms off the cost of Argentina. It is over 400 kms.

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    ^

    So that makes the British Isles French, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    why can't the British return Las Malinas to the natives l
    well, there are probable large oil reserves around the region

    why do you think the Argentinians want the god-forsaken place?

    even the Pope has never visited it

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    No country has "legal" claim to Falklands. Plenty claim they do because at one time in the past they "claimed" it as their own. Up til now ownership has been a succession of military actions. The Brits having won the last round. Doesn't make it legally Britain's however.

    Suppose the only way any country can legally claim the Falklands is to have a treaty between all the claimants. Perhaps the UN who up til now have told claimants it's a matter to be solved between the claimant countries. Nice thought but not working.

    Now it's self determination. Let the residents vote. No matter the outcome, the issue of who "legally" owns Falklands will continue.
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    They have just been given the opportunity to vote for keeping the sttus of the islands and the islanders as they are. Anyone wanting to change that status be it independence, more self determination or to become part of Argentina, all they had to do was vote no, as 0.2% of them did.

    So there is little point talking about a self determination vote, the people have voted and possibly as many as 3 of them want this. What is justifiable is, now that the Falklands have voted to remain as they are, that the mainland british people are allowed to vote to say that they want the islands to retain that status.... as it is after all our money and lives that will be used to enforce this.

    legalities apart, the falklands are no more british or Argentinean than mainland Europe or Ireland is british. morally the decision on status of the island belongs to the people who live there and any displaced indigenous natives or their decedents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
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    I have already said i made a typo on 1609/1690
    you made a typo and was making a false claim,
    this does not even make sense in english.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
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    name one country outside of africa which has not been 'colonized'.
    the issue is which large country can make a claim on that territory, the Brits are like the Jewish in Palestine, while the Argentinians are the Palestinians
    the slight difference is the argentinians were not the original inhabitants, or is this too complex for you to understand. the comparison with palestine is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
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    Falkland islanders may be descendents of colonists, but they are not colonists themselves .
    if they stay illegally on an island they don't own, sure they are.
    who owns it then? and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Why do you feel that they are there illegally ?
    because technically they belong to Spain/Argentina,
    you have not proved that. Neither have you proved the fact that the UK has lost all its other overseas territories as you claimed earlier. maybe you are confusing it with belgium losing everything overseas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT
    by extension Argentina have some sort of prior claim to the territory, which they don't.
    of course they do, who are you now, an International lawyer ?
    so by implication if you know better you are an international lawyer? dimwit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    why can't the British return Las Malinas to the natives l
    well, there are probable large oil reserves around the region

    why do you think the Argentinians want the god-forsaken place?

    even the Pope has never visited it
    butterboy has not even explained who the natives are yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draco888
    butterboy has not even explained who the natives are yet.
    First settlement was by the French, at Port Louis on East Falkland in 1764. Uninhabited prior to that so by definition the French are natives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
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    butterboy has not even explained who the natives are yet.
    First settlement was by the French, at Port Louis on East Falkland in 1764. Uninhabited prior to that so by definition the French are natives.
    I guess this means the whole of the world belongs to the africans then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by draco888
    butterboy has not even explained who the natives are yet.
    First settlement was by the French, at Port Louis on East Falkland in 1764. Uninhabited prior to that so by definition the French are natives.
    then we legally sold it to the Spanish, therefore it clearly belongs to Argentina

    not sure why that retard draco8 is still confused, it's quite straightforward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by draco888 View Post
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    if you dont understand marginal cost you are either thick or you are lying.
    oh please explain, that should be fun

    you do realize that the micro-economics version might be different from the general version
    i doubt you would understand.
    I am waiting for one of your hilarious answer, I have prepared all my online evidence to counter claim your expected silliness

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazz
    They have just been given the opportunity to vote for keeping the sttus of the islands and the islanders as they are.
    the issue is the land and who it belongs to, who cares what the invaders or the settlers say if it's not their land

    it's like asking Americans if they wish to remain in Iraq because they setup camp there, and then claiming that the US owns Iraq because of it

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    Not really butters, one has a native population thats lived there for millennia, the other has never had a native population. its more like invading rockall, setting up camp and saying its ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluke
    Why do you feel that they are there illegally ?
    because technically they belong to Spain/Argentina,
    Do elaborate , explain in detail in which way they belong to Argentina .
    Why do you feel that Argentina has a claim to the Falklands ?
    It has been explained to you a few times already and you have just ignored it. So here you are yet again. The first people to settle the place were the French,OK? They gave it to the Spanish,OK? and when the Spanish left it was in the hands of what would become Argentina and that is the Argentine claim,which is a better claim than the British have and also it is off the coast of Argentina not Britain which just bolsters their claim even more.

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    Argentine claims to the Falklands are based on Spain's claims which were decided by Papal decree, allocating vast tracts of the globe to either Catholic Portugal or Catholic Spain.

    The French, another Catholic country, bowed to Papal pressure in 1774 after only having just established a settlement at Port Louise, sold that settlement to Spain, who renamed it Porto Soledad in 1777, after the English arrived in 1775 and established Port Egmont in 1776.

    In 1811 the Spanish abandoned Porto Soledad.
    The Falklands were then occupied by British and American sealers and whalers and ships sailors of ships in passage to South America, no Spaniards or French ran the show, but, a few "entrepreneurs" backed by the U P of the River Plate attempted to establish themselves there with little success, until the Falklands were re-occupied by Britain in 1833.

    The Falklands continued under British administration and its legality was confirmed in 1849.

    The Convention of Settlement (signed 24th November 1849, ratified 15th May1850)
    between Britain and Argentina states that Argentina had no further conflicts with Britain over any issues.
    "..perfect friendship.." had been restored between the two.

    The Convention of Settlement 1849.
    Article VII.

    "Under this convention, perfect friendship between Her Britannic Majesty's Government and the Government of the Federation is restored to its former state of good understanding and cordiality."

    So Britain continued its administration of the Falklands with consuls of several countries established there, and new lands leased and settled on more outlying parts of the archipelago.

    No mention was ever made again by Argentina of the issue of the Falkland Islands until after another 30 years! In 1884 Argentina's ambassador to Britain raised the possibility of re-claiming the Falklands.

    In the intervening years Argentina published maps omitting the Falklands Islands altogether, a bit like the Arab world omitting the state of Israel on their world maps or as UK and the EU omitting Wales in their version of the map of Europe.

    I can't find one of those Argentine maps on the web so far, but they're a bit like these below.



    Map of GB with Wales missing.


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