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    Women in combat spells trouble

    With little discussion or fanfare, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta lifted the ban on women in combat that has been in effect for as long as there has been a US military.

    Feminists and some women serving in the military are applauding the move as a victory for equal rights. They claim that justice requires nothing short of opening all positions to females, regardless of the consequences to combat effectiveness, unit cohesion or military readiness — factors whose importance they minimize in any event.

    Panetta’s action reverses the combat-exclusion policy that was last reviewed thoroughly during the Clinton years — and which even Democrats embraced.

    A number of women might make good combat soldiers, provided they pass the same physical, endurance and strength tests with the same acceptable scores that current combat troops achieve. But whether a handful of exceptional women might succeed — or opt into infantry units for that matter — isn’t the relevant standard. The question is, would women’s presence in combat situations enhance military effectiveness or compromise it?

    One study of a brigade operating in Iraq in 2007 showed that women sustained more casualties than their male counterparts and suffered more illnesses. Female soldiers experienced three times the evacuation rate of male soldiers. And of those evacuated for medical reasons, a shocking 74 percent were for pregnancy-related issues.

    The high rate of pregnancy among female soldiers is one of the best-kept secrets in the military. The various military branches are loath to publicize the figures regarding female soldiers becoming pregnant while deployed. But a study released just this week shows that military women have a higher rate of unplanned pregnancy than the comparable general population — some 50 percent higher. And the unplanned pregnancy rate for deployed women was as high as for those serving stateside.

    And, of course, many of the pregnancies among deployed females involved sexual activity between soldiers in the field — which brings up one of the chief objections to women serving in combat roles.

    Feminist ideologues have pooh-poohed the notion that sexual attraction is a major problem when you put young men and women together in close quarters for long periods of time under the stress of combat situations. They act as if both males and females will resist temptation — and there’ll be no significant consequences if they don’t.

    Funny, those same feminists seem to believe quite differently when it comes to putting other young men and women together under similar, if less life-threatening situations.

    Most college campuses these days take it for granted that students will have sex during their years on campus. Many schools provide condoms in the dorms, access to other forms of birth control, lectures on sexual activity. It’s just assumed, you put young people together and sex naturally follows.

    But the consequences for love affairs gone wrong, rivalry among suitors or even the distraction that sex can provide from other duties are very different in a college setting than they are in the middle of battle. Unit cohesion is a major factor in the success of any military objective. Inject sexual rivalry and tension into a small group of soldiers whose decisions mean life and death, and you are likely to get more of the latter.

    Yes, men and women can bond in non-sexual ways, but sexual attraction is one of the most powerful human emotions. To ignore it and pretend that it can be overcome without great effort is foolhardy.

    And jealousy is nearly as powerful an emotion as love. What happens when a couple in a unit breaks up but must still work side-by-side, facing an enemy whose sole purpose is to kill them?

    And when pregnancies occur — as they inevitably will — what happens then? Do you allow a physically fit pregnant solider to risk not only her life but that of her unborn child, too?

    It is unfortunate that the Obama administration acted unilaterally without putting this issue up for open and honest debate before Congress and the public. By acting unilaterally — no accident I’m sure, right after the president’s re-inauguration — the administration has done a disservice to the American people and the finest military in the world.

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    There is nothing stopping a women becoming equally as deadly a soldier as a man apart from actual physical contact ,all it needs is a cool calculating brain ,which is not just reserved for us guys ya know ,hey if they want to serve their Country then why not?, the Russians had no such qualms ,to repel Hitlers hordes who sought to enslave and slaughter them they performed services to their Country above and the call of duty , here is just one of the many Lyudmila Pavlichenko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    If women want equal rights, and all things equal shit, then tell them to get their fookin hair cut. The same as a male has to do. See if they want equality then. Having seen how women expect to be treated in the military, due to their gender, I find it a joke that they employ them at all.
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    It's a sad country that sends its women into war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    It's a sad country that sends its women into war.
    It's a sadder country that prevents a woman choosing to go to war...just because she is a woman.

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    Who gives a f..k if they can pull the trigger on one one of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    It's a sad country that sends its women into war.
    It's a sadder country that prevents a woman choosing to go to war...just because she is a woman.
    Nope.

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    if they want to fight in a war, let them.

    they're likely more capable than some of the men they're fighting alongside.

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    Come on MEN it's 2013 if the girls want to put their balls on the line(figuartively speaking) go for it.
    I know a couple of shiela's that would rip most guys nut's off a feed them to them on a plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    if they want to fight in a war, let them.

    they're likely more capable than some of the men they're fighting alongside.
    Why are they 'likely' more capable than some of the men they're fighting alongside?
    If you'd said 'possibly' I could understand, but likely?
    The fact is women are emotionally and physically different than men. I really don't think it's a good idea to be putting them into a combat situation with men.
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    I would be interested to know how the women cope with the physical demands of front line action. Can they pick up a100 kg casualty ? How far can they chomp out a route march with a full pack.

    Not quite the same thing I know but the policewomen on duty in town on a Saturday night are worse than useless.
    Any firemen here have women in their watch ?

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    I don't think it will do much to decrease the overwhelming incidence of homsexuality in the US army,
    but it will take some mingers off the street and out of the gene pool.
    So overall a good move.

    Plus body size is a determining factor in the likelyhood of getting hit by a bullet, so I expect a lot of these fat arse lezzers will be welcome as bullet magnets for their squad.

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    It should not be an issue for those who are chosen to follow. Those who are expected to lead might find it quite challenging.
    Initially at least, they will all be judged, competent or not, by a man.

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    Has a study been made of woman who fought in the Vietcong defence force.
    In fact terrorist armies in Africa had women fighters.In the Congo they still do,in Africa that are made to do all the domestic work,and then get raped.

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    Any firemen here have women in their watch ?

    Yes I do, and they are OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wasabi View Post
    In fact terrorist armies in Africa had women fighters.In the Congo they still do,in Africa that are made to do all the domestic work,and then get raped.


    Mebbe they should do same thing in USA too.


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    At least with women in the Army the lads can get a cup of tea when they want one.

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    OMG.

    The generals are not going to put this into effect. No way in hell.

    Im sure we will see resignations before we see generals commanding women in the US.

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    Get their laundry done and that..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    It's a sad country that sends its women into war.
    It's a sadder country that prevents a woman choosing to go to war...just because she is a woman.
    You are a pathetic douche bag. Women should be happy that men will take the front lines and Im sure some of them are.

    Phuket and any other place that the military stops better brace for the false rape claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    It's a sad country that sends its women into war.
    Then you are criticizing Thailand since this country used to have pooying Thai riding into combat with their men in battles against the Burmese.

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    Bit of tidying up around the trench...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I don't think it will do much to decrease the overwhelming incidence of homsexuality in the US army,
    but it will take some mingers off the street and out of the gene pool.
    So overall a good move.

    Plus body size is a determining factor in the likelyhood of getting hit by a bullet, so I expect a lot of these fat arse lezzers will be welcome as bullet magnets for their squad.

    Good move my ass.

    They have been excluded for a reason. This is a bullshit political move by this socialist president. If it was about winning battles then the rule would still stand.

    Women were excluded because men give the army a better chance of winning.

    Winning is what matters

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    I'm ok with it as long as they're strong enough to do more than hold a camera- being a soldier in combat is about more than just pulling a trigger- it's very physically demanding- if the physical testing requirements will be lowered (and the push-up test is already being amended) I'm against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo746 View Post
    Come on MEN it's 2013 if the girls want to put their balls on the line(figuartively speaking) go for it.
    I know a couple of shiela's that would rip most guys nut's off a feed them to them on a plate.

    GO GIRLS

    Id like to see you in a generals shoes with your life on the line surrounded by women and men distracted by them.

    Give your head a fucking shake.

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