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    Masked gunman dies after being restrained during armed robbery

    Masked gunman dies after being restrained during armed robbery

    Ben Quinn, guardian.co.uk, Saturday 26 January 2013



    A masked gunman has died after being pinned down and restrained by customers during an armed robbery at a bookies in Plymouth.

    Police who were called to the scene found the man unconscious and called an ambulance but he was declared dead when paramedics arrived.

    The man, who was in his 50s, is believed to have been wearing a gas mask and was holding a gun when he entered a branch of Ladbrokes on on Crownhill Road in Plymouth, Devon, shortly before 7pm.

    Customers disarmed him and held him on the floor while others raised the alarm, according to Devon and Cornwall police.

    About a dozen customers were inside the bookmaker's at the time, according to a local media report.

    The police watchdog, the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), has been informed of the incident.

    A spokesman for Devon and Cornwall police said that after officers arrived on the scene: "It quickly became clear the man was unresponsive and an ambulance was immediately requested by police, who carried out CPR until they arrived.

    "A few minutes later, three paramedics arrived at the scene and continued to carry out further CPR. About 20 minutes later, the man was declared dead at the scene by the paramedics.

    Chief Inspector Ian Drummond-Smith said: "This is a very serious incident. We cannot speculate on what has actually taken place here today.

    "A full investigation has now begun and while the IPCC carry out their investigation it is not appropriate to comment further."

    The man has been identified but next of kin have not yet been informed, police said.
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    One has to wonder did the gunman forget to take the tab off the filter in the gasmask prior to putting it on, thus in an act of darwin award winning stupidity managed to kill himself.

    On the other hand, how about that a bunch of deguned brits manage to not only demonstrate that they are not only brave enough to walk the streets, but to tackle a gunman. all without a gun in their pocket to make them feel like a real man or give them the dutch courage to walk though their front door.

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    ^ indeed - and if you have ever seen the types who loiter around a bookies in the west country, these are not exactly commandos. Good show!

    Best way to stop a bad guy with a gun? A few scrumpied up gambling addicts with no gun and some courage.

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    I suppose they pinned the guy to the floor and he asphyxiated because of the mask

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    I reckon they all sat on him and squashed him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazz
    One has to wonder did the gunman forget to take the tab off the filter in the gasmask prior to putting it on, thus in an act of darwin award winning stupidity managed to kill himself.
    If it was one of the standard issue UK masks of old then quite possible to have caused asphyxiation. It happened several times to HM's finest during exercises in the 70's and 80's when they were made to sleep with them on and rolled onto the filter inlet. There was also a case of an airman succumbing to a heart attack after helping a pilot out of his plane whilst wearing one.

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    Is there a book yet on how he died?

    Suffocation
    Shock

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazz
    The police watchdog, the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), has been informed of the incident
    There appears to be an allegation of police misconduct following this incident and not for the reason they attempted to resuscitate the man i suspect.

    Perhaps they had a small wager on the outcome whilst waiting for the paramedics to arrive

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    I expect the customers will be arrested and charged with manslaughter.

    Thats what usually happens when the public successfully defend themselves against armed aggressors.

    I dont see how the police can claim this is such a serious incident, society has been rid of an armed villain, thereby sparing the police a lot of work and the public a lot of grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Lick
    There appears to be an allegation of police misconduct following this incident and not for the reason they attempted to resuscitate the man i suspect.
    Not sure of the procedures. The Plymouth Herald says that it is normal procedure.

    The IPCC investigates all incidents where a person dies in custody – or after having other contact with police – as a matter of course.
    Masked gunman dies in bungled bookmaker armed robbery bid in Crownhill Road Plymouth | This is Plymouth

    Things have got to become pretty dire before attempting a robbery of Ladbrokes....or he had a few more screws loose than he realised....

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Is there a book yet on how he died?

    Suffocation
    Shock
    Jumped on, squashed, by several fat old men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy
    The IPCC investigates all incidents where a person dies in custody – or after having other contact with police – as a matter of course.

    The IPPC may indeed have been contacted following the incident to err on the side of caution although it appears that the man in question was unconscious on the arrival of officers and was declared dead at the scene so not abnormal in most cases where the police attend such incidents

    I'm wondering if the people involved in his physical restraint and ultimate death didn't particularly take kindly to some comments the police may have felt necessary at the scene and thus a complaint may have been actioned.

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    what is that next door ?

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    Dunno, looks like a snooker club with an upside down sign. Obviously.

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    if you follow the link to the local rag they go into a bit more detail

    "This incident has been voluntarily referred to the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

    "It is normal procedure to refer an incident to the IPCC after someone dies when there has been police contact.

    "The man has been identified but next of kin have not yet been informed at this time."

    I think its quite simple

    the ilcc investigate all deaths that take place in custody or after contact with the police to clarify the police involvement in the death, fundamentally because the police have murdered people in the past, and one of the role of the ipcc is to try and stop them.

    As understand it if the chap was alive when the polce arrived then the ipcc would need to be involved and if he were dead before the police arrived they would not.

    I suspect the the police themselves brought the ipcc in themselves as an ass covering excise, which is a very sensible thing for them to do. it stops anyone asking the question, why didnt you call the ipcc in, their covered if its determined that he did actually die after the polce came in and they get it in black and white that the police had nothing to do with the death

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    It will be interesting to see what develops from this incident. The brave people who took on the robber would also seem to be directly responsible for his death from suffocation and as such charges may be preferred.

    The first priority of any police officer is protection of life and arriving at this scene to witness members of the public sitting on/restraining an unconscious man who is wearing a gas mask, well lets just say the officers wouldn't be too amused about their behavour.

    A sad day all round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post


    what is that next door ?
    Upside down back to front Polski Slapski sign

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Is there a book yet on how he died?

    Suffocation
    Shock
    Jumped on, squashed, by several fat old men.
    Embarrassment ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post

    I dont see how the police can claim this is such a serious incident, society has been rid of an armed villain, thereby sparing the police a lot of work and the public a lot of grief.
    That's my view also.

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    Downtown bumcrack USA they all would have pulled guns shot him 55 times and probably shot half a dozen of themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post


    what is that next door ?
    Upside down back to front Polski Slapski sign

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Is there a book yet on how he died?

    Suffocation
    Shock
    Jumped on, squashed, by several fat old men.
    Embarrassment ?
    Probably all around.

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    Reported here that the gunman was a serial criminal who had only just been released from prison.
    The have-a-go heros are now in fear of retribution from the gunmans rather unpleasant family.

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