Thread: Britain & France recalling their ambassadors to Israel ?

Originally Posted by alitongkat

you are saying the jewish lobby is stronger in the UK than the non-jewish population?
there are more jews in the UK than muslims?

there are more jews in the UK than people against the occupation then?

also non-jews have a vote....


just want to add:
it appears that most of the jews abroad are AGAINST the occupation...
(also israelis are in general against the occupation - though its weakened/countered by pro-occupationlists with the "threat" and the small country (indefensible borders) that are left after giving up the occupied territory)...

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Originally Posted by alitongkat

you are saying the jewish lobby is stronger in the UK than the non-jewish population?

Nope, just stating fact. The Jewish lobby in England is very influential in British politics.

Israel must halt construction of West Bank settlements

Israel must halt construction of West Bank settlements | Amnesty International

It really is time that the UN showed they were not one-sided in this dispute.

The UN Security Council held an emergency meeting in November regards the Gaza violence:

UN Security Council Holds Emergency Meeting on Gaza Violence

Self defence indeed? And now this deliberate provocation?

Another emergency meeting should be held and Israel severely warned with the possibility of sanctions. The Country cannot exist without constant outside aid and they should be told that in as straightforward a manner as possible.

Let's hope the Likud Party lose by a landslide...that's what they deserve!

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Originally Posted by alitongkat

you are saying the jewish lobby is stronger in the UK than the non-jewish population?

Nope, just stating fact. The Jewish lobby in England is very influential in British politics.

Indeed. Even more influential throughout American political circles.
They wrote the book...

merkel is from the "christian" democratic party...

its the christian lobby?

Originally Posted by alitongkat

merkel is from the "christian" democratic party...

its the christian lobby?

Christian Democrat?
Isn't that a term of contradictory....??


[one will find that good christian circles often support a Jewish/Israel cause, blindly]

^Where are the Rothschild family currently residing? Oh, yea, UK. Not often you meet one however.

Israel has the second largest "silicon valley," type enterprise in the modern technology world. I doubt they are totally dependent of outside financing. they are creative industrious people, not slackards and deadbeats as found in the Palestinian locals.

All you Jew haters are really dinosaurs who have long outlived their usefulness in a modern world. Find some other minority to hate today.

let's not forget that the Zionists have a strong British origin, and are basically European invaders with a Jewish culture

a nice change from the Catholic and Protestants invaders

Originally Posted by Butterfly

let's not forget that the Zionists have a strong British origin, and are basically European invaders with a Jewish culture

a nice change from the Catholic and Protestants invaders

1st greek and roman gods and more gods (egy gods)
2nd judaism 2,000 b.c. (first monotheism approach, maybe echnaton/nofrete in egy tried the similar - briefly)
3rd buddhism (500 b.c.)
4th chrisianity (100 a.d.)
5th islam (600 a.d.)

christian crusades peaked around 1,100 a.d. (middle east, europe)
after that muslims took completely over with "crusades"...
there is NO history of jews "crusading" other countries... nor of them hijacking other peoples holy sites...

with "crusades" i mean...
-- overrunning other peoples places,
-- hijacking their holy sites (e.g. the jewish temple mount), and
-- converting people by sword...

nothing of it was ever done by jews...

but solely and throughout history by muslims and christians....

egypt was a christian country, for around thousand years, until the muslims converted it by sword...

if the crusaders hadnt been defeated by the muslims, the middle east would be still christian...

Originally Posted by alitongkat

with "crusades" i mean...
-- overrunning other peoples places,
-- hijacking their holy sites (e.g. the jewish temple mount), and
-- converting people by sword...

nothing of it was ever done by jews...

but solely and throughout history by muslims and christians....

Peace Loving People They Are ?

Must be their make-up then !

Or maybe the world loves them, because they always want to manage OUR money

Israel to continue freeze on Palestinian tax money

RAMALLAH, Dec. 2 — A Palestinian official on Sunday accused Israel of withholding tax revenues collected on behalf of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA).

Israel Seizes $120 Million in Palestinian Tax Money Finance Minister Says Money Will Go to Power Company by Jason Ditz, December 02, 2012

Originally Posted by alitongkat

but solely and throughout history by muslims and christians....

What happened to Genghis Khan? Actually quite a few conquerors that were neither christian or Muslim.

Originally Posted by Bangyai

You have to learn to distinguish between anti semitism and dislike of Israels policies.

Bullshit! Don't play dumb, you know what your saying when you object to expansion in the non-Palestinian west bank. BTW, Palestinians as a nation never existed as they were a tribe that wandered about the deserts and no Arab nation wanted them until Israel was founded. They are nothing more than the sharp, ignorant tools of radical Islamist.

You sir have been drinking the kool aid far to long.

Originally Posted by ltnt

Originally Posted by alitongkat

but solely and throughout history by muslims and christians....

What happened to Genghis Khan? Actually quite a few conquerors that were neither christian or Muslim.

Originally Posted by Bangyai

You have to learn to distinguish between anti semitism and dislike of Israels policies.

Bullshit! Don't play dumb, you know what your saying when you object to expansion in the non-Palestinian west bank. BTW, Palestinians as a nation never existed as they were a tribe that wandered about the deserts and no Arab nation wanted them until Israel was founded. They are nothing more than the sharp, ignorant tools of radical Islamist.

You sir have been drinking the kool aid far to long.

Of course people know what they are saying when they object to Israeli expansion in the west bank ! They wouldn't say it otherwise. Not everyone who is a jew lives in Israel. My Jewish friends in Manchester do not want to build a house there or move there. The objection is to Israeli expansion . Even some jews in America object to Israeli expansion onto this territory which has been earmarked for the Palestinians.

As for the Palestinians :

American historian Bernard Lewis writes:

"Clearly, in Palestine as elsewhere in the Middle East, the modern inhabitants include among their ancestors those who lived in the country in antiquity. Equally obviously, the demographic mix was greatly modified over the centuries by migration, deportation, immigration, and settlement. This was particularly true in Palestine..."

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interestingly :

Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core reaches back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.

As for the remark ' they were a tribe that wandered about the deserts ' and not being a nation , the Israelies themselves were in the same condition until fairly recently and have also done a stint of wandering around the dessert so this does not signify anything relevent to the current situation.

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core reaches back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool.

not unlikely, that 82% of the palestinians ancestors were jews, converted by muslim conquerers, while the rest of the jewish population fled (to europe etc) - or was killed by the occupiers...

Originally Posted by Bangyai

Of course people know what they are saying when they object to Israeli expansion in the west bank !

The expansion is NOT wanted by many Jews. It is the Policy of Revisionist Zionism that mutated into the Likud Party. This party is the cause of most of the problems on the one side...the Hamas on the other. If the moderates of both sides were allowed to talk to each other an agreement could be met albeit with a back down from both....

...and the "moderates" (kadima party, livni and olmert) were talking and talking and talking and....

...and shortly before an agreement, they started - operation CAST LEAD...

pretty much out of the blue...

Originally Posted by Bangyai

dessert so this does not signify anything relevent to the current situation.

I agree "dessert," has nothing to do with the current situation. As for % dna they historically interbred and it seems some one has taken blood samples to verify this.

As for migrating tribes agree both were and both were persecuted and largely used as utilitarian work forces. Perhaps you missed the part about Moses and the promised land, but nevertheless it was stated and Israel is this so called Jewish state like it or not. If one wishes to question the states right to exist they need to go back to 1946 and ask Briton, the USA, and the UN why they approved the nation state of Israel? Here we are 60+ years later debating the right of Israel to exist. Hogwash!

Palestine and Palestinians seem to think they have rights to this state, rather than work about their own land and make it prosperous while enclosed on all sides by those who wish them to go away.

Agree that so called Jewish settlements are not P.C. in Israel, however they are part of the nation of Israel and will therefore find much nationalistic support regardless of outside pressures.

People forget it was the invasion by Egypt and Syria and their cronies that brought about the seizure of Gaza. This attack by Hamas, among many that Israel has had to defend itself is yet just one more attack by terrorists, not nation builders.

I just thought I would add this little ditty ,just one of many that confirms that the "State of Palestine " Is just a left wing politically correct myth Articles: There Was Never a Country Called Palestine of course this will be just too much to swallow ,as the truth often is for the "closed mind brigade"

Well ],m on a "roll" so before I hit the hay, I thought I'd let my mate Pat Condell say it far better than I could write it ,and of course the "head up their arse brigade" need not watch it

This is the third Condell video I have posted which IMHO is dedicated to all the complete idiots out there who really believe that this ongoing problem is about land , I often Wonder as to how much land the Israelis have took from Iran who are bankrolling Hamas to the tune of tens millions of Dollars to fight their war by proxy against Israel, which in my view is the only real democratic Country in the Middle East were even Arab women have the vote !

My, My, MY, Whats happened to all those "Jew Haters" on this forum who in their trips to "fantasy land" would have us believe that the fault to peace in the middle East is solely the fault of the Israeli's , Hamas do not want peace at any price ,they say so themselves in their "Charter" ,to be truthful they are in an almost a Civil war footing with Fatah on the West Bank and have been for many years and even called Fatah leader Mamhoud Abbas a traitor to the Palestinian cause, whatever that may be?, Abbas recently lobbied the UN for full blown statehood of Palestine which of course failed ,due entirely to the total intransigence of Hamas ,why don't you idiots out there wake up and smell the coffee cos the real enemy of the Western World is Islamic radicalism. which is spreading like a cancer. thanks in main to to the pathetic Political correct Liberals who cannot see no further than the end of their nose ,here is just another trip into the "real world" of Hamas