Thread: 'British family' gunned down in the Alps: 4 die, police guard girl of 8

France shooting: Alleged violent past of son of Alps murder victim
The son of one of the victims of the British family massacre in France had allegedly attacked his parents and threatened to kill them in the past, it has emerged.

Saad al-Hilli
By Tom Whitehead, Henry Samuel and Victoria Ward in Annecy, and Rosa Silverman10:00PM BST 12 Sep 2012
Haydar Thaher, 46, has a history of mental health problems and has not been seen by neighbours for a month.
His mother, Suhaila al-Allaf, 74, was killed along with her daughter Iqbal al-Hilli, 47, and son-in-law Saad al-Hilli, 50, from Surrey, by a mystery gunman at a remote French Alps beauty spot last week.
It was feared last night that the health of the Hillis seven-year-old daughter who survived the attack despite being shot and beaten was deteriorating and could suffer permanent brain damage.
Their family last night spoke for the first time of their shock and devastation over the deaths.
Mrs al-Allaf, a Swedish passport holder, and her son had been living in southern Stockholm when she joined the Hilli’s on their French holiday.
Her husband, Mr Thaher’s father, Abdul al-Saffar, died last year from kidney problems.
Neighbours at their flat said they had not seen the son for about a month while Swedish relatives said they believed he had travelled to England.
Documents from a local criminal court in Stockholm reveal Haydar was arrested on numerous occasions for alleged violent and threatening behaviour against his parents.
However, he was never charged because they refused to testify against him wanting help for him instead, papers from the Sodertorns court show.
His parents allegedly told police they believed he was schizophrenic, that he had terrorised them since 2001 and threats were made on a daily basis.
In 2004 he was said to have screamed at his father: “I want to kill you and there is nothing you can to about it" to his father before hitting him.
The following year he allegedly attacked his father with his own walking stick and screamed:"I can beat you and I can kill you" in Arabic.
In 2006 he allegedly attacked his mother.
The Hillis, from Surrey, and Mrs al-Allaf were killed in their BMW car on a secluded forest road near Lake Annecy, in south eastern France, on Wednesday last week.
The Hilli’s two daughters, Zainab, seven, and Zeena, four, survived the attack despite the elder of the pair being shot in the shoulder and badly beaten.
A French cyclist believed to have passed at the time of the slaughter was also shot dead.
One of the first people witnesses on the scene this week described it as “like a horror film”.
Zainab reportedly suffered such horrific facial injuries that she could be left blinded in one eye.
A police source was quoted as saying: "She suffered multiple facial injuries that caused two subdural hematomas and a fractured orbital bone.
"She was beaten around the face with great force, the trauma was immense."
A subdural hematoma is a potentially life-threatening brain injury and the orbital bone surrounds the eye.
She is being treated in a Grenoble hospital and has been intubated due to massive bruising between her skull and her brain.
Police are hoping that Zainab, who was shot in the shoulder and pistol-whipped around the head, will be able to provide key witness evidence, although she is not expected to be interviewed for at least another two days.
In the first public statement on behalf of the families, Ahmed Al-Saffar, the brother-in-law of Mrs al-Allaf and Iqbal’s uncle, said: “The victims’ family and I are heartbroken by this shocking crime and we have been touched by the expressions of sympathy from people all over the world.
“We hope that those responsible for the deaths of our loved ones are brought swiftly to justice.”
Eric Maillaud, the chief prosecutor in Annecy, and the French magistrate leading the inquiry, are due to travel to Britain today to meet police officers and speak to relations of the Hilli family.
There was intense police activity in the area yesterday (WEDS), exactly a week after the murders, as officers set up road blocks and stopped passing motorists.

France shooting: Alleged violent past of son of Alps murder victim - Telegraph

and the cover up begins,

Originally Posted by Butterfly

and the cover up begins,

Who do you think is covering up what?

WTF? It took a week to uncover that they have a nut case son who has violently abused family members before, and threatened to kill them?

^

This latest news of a crazy and violent son is simply a cover up designed to cover up the original cover up, which it was decided would not stand up to the scrutiny of the cover up exposure guys on TD....

^Ah ha! Got it. Thanks. Makes sense now.

why was the girl so excessively hit at the head, instead of simply passing her a bullet - end of ?

whats the law in the UK?

assumption:
the father dies, his wife inherits...
one minute later the wife dies, the children inherit, each 50 %
none of the children has a testament
both children die...

who is the legal heir?

thought it was a car accident... then I saw heads with bullet holes in them: RAF man tells of finding Alps massacre scene

• William Brett Martin first thought he had stumbled upon a terrible accident
• Saw seven-year-old Zainab 'stumbling around, bleeding and moaning'
• Family's BMW's engine was still revving and its wheels were spinning
• Mr Martin credited for potentially saving Zainab's life
• Chief prosecutor of French Alps area said causes of deaths lay in Britain

The former RAF pilot who stumbled on the French Alps gun massacre described yesterday the carnage that confronted him.
Brett Martin, 53, said he initially thought there had been a terrible car accident but then saw a 'lot of blood and heads with bullet holes in them'.
He compared what he saw to a scene from the TV crime series CSI: Miami.

First on the scene: Brett Martin described finding the murdered Al-Hilli family as 'like something out of a Hollywood movie'




Hero: Mr Martin is seen here training in Steyning. He is a keen competitor in the triathlon

Mr Martin was cycling up a remote mountain road near Lake Annecy when he came across the bloodbath in a secluded car park.
He was the first witness to arrive at the picturesque spot where British engineer Saad Al-Hilli, 50, from Claygate, Surrey, his dentist wife Ikbal, 47, and her mother Suhaila Al-Allaf, 74, were each shot twice in the head.
Speaking publicly about the murders for the first time, Mr Martin revealed how he found the Al-Hillis' daughter Zainab, seven, stumbling around. From a distance it looked as if she was 'larking about like a child would'. But as he approached he realised she was bleeding and moaning.

Zainab had been shot in the shoulder and badly beaten around the head. Nearby was the family BMW containing the bodies of her parents and grandmother.
Next to it lay the body of Sylvain Mollier, 45, a French cyclist who police believe may have been killed because he was in the 'wrong place at the wrong time' and witnessed the attack.
The BMW's wheels were still spinning and its engine was revving. Inside, Mr Martin saw the three bodies.

PROSECUTOR SAYS MOTIVE FOR MURDER LIES IN BRITAIN

The French prosecutor leading the murder hunt said yesterday that the motive lies in Britain. Eric Maillaud was speaking in Woking after travelling to Surrey to meet British police officers working on the case.

He said it was ‘without any doubt that the reasons and causes have their origins in this country’. The comments add weight to the theory that the family, from Claygate, were killed because of a dispute in Britain.

The French-led investigation is focusing on Mr Al-Hilli’s work, his relationship with his relatives and links to his native Iraq. Yesterday officers continued to search the family’s home.

Mr Martin, whose full name is William Brett Martin, told the BBC how when he first arrived he smelled 'burning rubber and that sort of hot burning engine smell'. He said: 'It seemed like a good idea to turn the car engine off, so I went around to the driver's side and I needed to break the window to get in.
'But the window was already “star crazed” anyway and I noticed some holes and I was starting to think “is that a bullet hole?” as I was breaking the window. I had my cycle gloves on so I literally pushed the window, as it was already crazed, and turned the ignition off.
'Things were a lot calmer then because the engine wasn't revving, the wheels weren't spinning and I started taking stock of the people who were inside. It became fairly evident that the injuries of the people inside didn't match what one would think people would be like from a car accident in a car park.

'Then I moved around to the other side and looked into the rear. I have never seen people who have been shot before for real, apart from Hollywood stuff, but it seemed to me to be just like a Hollywood scene.
'And if someone had said “cut” and everyone had just got up and walked away, that would have been it. But unfortunately it was real life. So it became quite obvious now, taking stock, that it was a gun crime.' Asked about the condition of the people inside the car, he said: 'Well if you have seen CSI: Miami it was pretty much how you would imagine a set from CSI: Miami would be like. There was a lot of blood and heads with bullet holes in them.'

Mr Martin is regarded by French police as a potentially vital witness – someone whose identity they had been keen to protect.
But yesterday, in an unexpected move, the aviation consultant and former British Airways training captain agreed to give a TV interview about the horrific events on Wednesday of last week. Remarkably, he delivered his chilling testimony in a very matter of fact way.

Continuing his account, he said: 'Now I was getting a little anxious, because I thought maybe there is some crazy person in the woods. I pulled out my mobile phone and tried to call the rescue services and of all the moments in the world to have no signal on your mobile phone, that was it.'
Mr Martin gently put Zainab 'in a recovery position' and set off on his bike to get help. The girl is now recovering in hospital in France.

Her four-year-old sister Zeena escaped unhurt by hiding under her mother's body during the attack. She was discovered in the BMW by police eight hours later.
Mr Martin spent his childhood in New Zealand and lives with his wife and family in the south of England. He was in France carrying out maintenance on his holiday home when he decided to go for a cycle ride at about 2.30pm last Wednesday.
After four miles as he rode through Combe d'Ire forest near Chevaline he came upon the appalling scene he described so graphically yesterday.

Read more: French Alps shootings: British cyclist speaks of horror at discovering bodies of family shot dead | Mail Online

video with the suspect... maye someone can embed it here...

French Alps shootings: British cyclist speaks of horror at discovering bodies of family shot dead | Mail Online

he thought "they were having a rest"

...while the engine was running and the wheel spinning...

when he talks about the head-injured-girl, he is blinking with the eyes like crazy... it really got to him, didnt it?

the other things he talks calm about...

...and the unfortunate other cyclist overtook that air-force-pack-of-muscle-mass...

Maaaan...you wierd...

Why is the primary 'witness' giving interviews to the media????

it certainly paid well...
he hasnt seen anything, in case he is "just a witness"...

Wounded girl from Alps massacre told police she saw 'one bad man' before returning to Britain

This is likely to mean that he reloaded at least once as he carried out the terrible bloodbath.

Read more: French Alps shooting: Wounded girl from massacre told police she saw 'one bad man' before returning to Britain | Mail Online

certainly every car going through that tunnel will be recorded...?

then its a matter of time, until they know the number plates...

^, Profesionals are not that stupid, Jill Dando was murdered on her own doorstep in London during the Balkan conflict just after Nato blasted one of Serbia's tv stations.
Assasin/Murderer was never caught, and these killings happend near the border with Italy and Switz. so unless the family is involved the it must be connected to the Iraqi political disputes.
I wouldn't hold out any hope that the French authorities will solve it though.

Originally Posted by alitongkat

This is likely to mean that he reloaded at least once as he carried out the terrible bloodbath.

The Skorpion holds 20 cartridges.
The police found 25 spent casings.

Originally Posted by dobella

I wouldn't hold out any hope that the French authorities will solve it though.

per instruction from Britain, for sure

Latest.

French Alps massacre: Could Sylvain Mollier have been the main target? | Mail Online

Originally Posted by navydoubs1977

Latest.

French Alps massacre: Could Sylvain Mollier have been the main target? | Mail Online

Post the whole article you FUCKING WANKER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could French victim of the Alpine massacre have been the main target? French police admit cyclist may have led 'double life'
Sylvain Mollier worked in the nuclear industry, specialising in zirconium metal-working for nuclear reactors
French police exploring the theory that Mr Mollier could have been the massacre's intended victim
He was hit by five bullets, including two to the head
By PETER ALLEN
PUBLISHED: 18:43 GMT, 16 September 2012 | UPDATED: 08:59 GMT, 17 September

The cyclist shot dead in the Alps may have been the ‘main target’ of the massacre, French police say – not the British al-Hilli family.
Investigators made the extraordinary claim as Sylvain Mollier, who worked in the nuclear industry, was ‘temporarily buried’ in a secret ceremony yesterday.
This went against the wishes of the 45-year-old’s family, who had asked for him to be cremated.

Crime scene: The bullet-riddled BMW where the bodies of Saad al-Hilli, his wife, Iqbal, and mother-in-law Suhaila Al-Allaf were discovered along with his daughters Zeena and Zainab
It is believed forensic experts still want to examine his body for clues, which would have been impossible if the remains had been destroyed. French investigators are examining the theory that he may have led a ‘double life’ and been the intended target of the shooting.

Did gunman trail Alps massacre victims all the way from their home in Britain? Police check CCTV footage as they retrace 600-mile journey
Wounded girl from Alps massacre told police she saw 'one bad man' before returning to Britain
I thought it was a car accident... then I saw heads with bullet holes in them: RAF man tells of finding Alps massacre scene
Until now the investigation had focused on the deaths of British aerospace engineer Saad al-Hilli, 50, his wife Ikbal, 47, and his mother-in-law Suhaila al-Allaf, 74, who were shot in the countryside near Annecy in their BMW estate car.
Mr al-Hilli’s seven-year-old daughter Zainab was discovered badly beaten by a passing British cyclist shortly after the attack.

Burial: Relatives of Sylvain Mollier at Ugine Funeral Home. Police refused to allow them to cremate Mr Mollier
Her four-year-old sister, Zeena, was found unscathed hiding under her dead mother’s skirt eight hours later. The family, from Claygate, Surrey, had been camping near Lake Annecy when they were attacked.

Victim: Saad al-Hilli, 50, the father murdered near the village of Chevaline, near Lake Annecy, in the Haute-Savoie region of France
It had been thought that Mr Mollier was killed because he witnessed the shootings as he cycled past.
But Lt Colonel Benedict Vinnemann, who is leading the gendarme inquiry, revealed he was considering other possibilities.
He said: ‘Was the al-Hilli family the main target? Was it not the cyclist? Only ongoing work on the scene can answer this question clearly.
‘We’re talking about someone whom everybody says was a gentleman, but who’s to say he did not lead a double life?’
Mr Mollier worked for Cezus, a subsidiary of the Areva Group, specialising in zirconium metalworking for nuclear fuel containers.
He lived in Ugine, close to the isolated beauty spot on the edge of the village of Chevaline where the shootings took place.
He had two teenage boys from a previous marriage while his second wife, a pharmacist, gave birth in June. Mr Mollier was still on paternity leave and had been using his spare time to cycle around the countryside.
The two survivors, Zainab and Zeena, are back in Britain and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London. They are being closely protected, amid fears that whoever was responsible for the attack may try to harm them.


Read more: French Alps massacre: Could Sylvain Mollier have been the main target? | Mail Online