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    Norway killer Breivik declared sane/insane

    Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik has been declared saneby an Oslo court and jailed for 21 years.

    The 33-year-old confessed to killing 77 people last year when he set off a bomb in the Norwegian capital and shot teenagers on the nearby island of Utoya.

    After a 10-week trial the Oslo district court ruled the right-wing extremist was saneat the time of the twin attacks.

    He has been jailed for 21 years.

    The ruling will please victims' relatives, who feel that a life sentence is the only justice they can get.

    Breivik himself argued for a verdict of sanity as he wants the attack to be seen as a political statement against the "Islamification" of Europe rather than an act of lunacy.

    Norway mass killer Breivik declared sane - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


    I am not sure what 21 years means in Sweden but the idea that this mass killer could ever be considered for parole is preposterous.

    Since he has admitted/claimed that he was sane at the time I hope he has the sanity to decline any suggestion of release.

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    Watching the court read the verdict now. 21 years for murdering 77 people. 3.6 months for murder. This is "justice" in Norway!!
    Last edited by Norton; 24-08-2012 at 03:32 PM.

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    From what I've read, it's a minimum of 21 years. It can be extended indefinitely as long as he's considered a threat so you would imagine that he'll die in prison.

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    There are no circumstances in which I would ever let that bloke out of jail if it was up to me. Except in a pine box. With extra nails in the lid, just in case.

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    Life imprisonment in Norway (Wiki)

    There is no sentence of life imprisonment in Norwegian law. There is however an indeterminate penalty that could in principle result in life imprisonment, but there are no examples of such after the latest correctional law passed in 2002.

    There are basically two types of maximum penalty laws:
    The maximum determinate penalty is 21 years imprisonment, but only a small percentage of prisoners serve more than 14 years. Prisoners will typically get unsupervised parole for weekends etc. after serving ⅓ of their sentence (a maximum of 7 years) and can receive early release after serving ⅔ of their sentence (a maximum of 14 years). In 2008, to fulfill its requirements under the Rome Statute, Norway created a new maximal penalty of 30 years for crimes against humanity.

    The indeterminate penalty, called "containment" (Norwegian: forvaring), is set at 21 years imprisonment, and the prisoner is required to serve at least 10 years before becoming eligible for parole. If the prisoner is still considered dangerous after serving the original sentence, the prisoner can receive up to five years additional containment. If the additional time is served, and the offender is still considered dangerous, a prisoner can continue to receive up to five years additional containment, and this, in theory, could result in actual life imprisonment. "Containment" is used when the prisoner is deemed a danger to society and there is a great chance of committing violent crimes in the future. However, the offender can be paroled or released at any time if it is determined that the offender is no longer a danger to society.

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    i doubt he will ever be released.

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    If it is the "containment" (forvaring) sentence ?, the foreign news I have seen is a bit unclear on this, it is essentially for people who are "insane" but just not insane enough not to go to prison, some of those is never let out and get their original timed sentence extended again and again until they die, and they serve their time in a sort of "psychiatric" prison ward.

    IMO if that is the sentence it is the best solution for the Norwegians given their limitations in sentencing, but honestly you have to be raving mad to have done what he has done, the deliberations between doctors and the court about this is semantics IMHO.
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    Over and above the 77 people he actually killed , if you consider the pain , grief and anguish he has caused all the immediate relatives and Norwegian society as a whole , he can consider himself fortunate to have passed through the Norwegian legal system rather than somewhere where the punishment would have been terminaly swift.
    It's only a pity that his crackpot views have had to be given an airing in order to administer justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr
    but honestly you have to be raving mad to have done what he has done
    That was my thought too. I don't know anything about Norwegian law but how could a lunatic like that possibly be judged to be anything but batshit insane?

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    Can you imagine the outcry if the guy that shot up the Batman premier was given such a sentence ? The people of the USA just wouldn't stand for it. I thought the UK was a soft touch but this takes some beating !

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    you have to be raving mad to have done what he has done
    No you don't. If a soldier killed that many people, it'd be job well done. The difference is just that a soldier is authorized to do it and Breivik isn't but there's no reason why his motivation should be noticeably different from that of the soldier's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zooheekock View Post
    you have to be raving mad to have done what he has done
    No you don't. If a soldier killed that many people, it'd be job well done. The difference is just that a soldier is authorized to do it and Breivik isn't but there's no reason why his motivation should be noticeably different from that of the soldier's.
    You are making comparisons where none are to be found, Brevik is not a Soldier, he is not at war and this is the exact reason why his motivation and behaviour should have been noticeably different. But Brevik thinks he is at war in his own paranoid mind, which is what makes him raving mad.

    And I dare say that any Soldier outside of a combat zone, that face to face intentionally slaughter 77 unarmed children and teens would be just as raving mad, and any order to do just that would never have been given from any Norwegian commander.

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    I heard they built a three room prison suite to house him

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    The prosecution pushed to find him insane. Breivik didn't want to be considered insane. Verdict. He's sane. As such he will be "locked up" in one of Norway's maximum security prisons. He'll likely never get out so will rot there.

    "Anders Behring Breivik, the man accused of the July 22 killing spree and bomb attack, could be sent to Halden, a Norwegian high-security prison that aims to rehabilitate criminals with comfortable and thoroughly modern facilities."

    Inside the World's Most Humane Prison - Photo Essays - TIME
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    he is not at war and this is the exact reason why his motivation and behaviour should have been noticeably different.
    Being at war means just that you are authorized to kill (certain) people but soldiers' motivation are usually (not exclusively) to protect their community, whether that's the nation, the city, the army, the family, the battalion, the unit, or whatever. That seems to have been Breivik's motivation. The way he framed it all, and his perceptions of the threat to the community, were totally wrong but being wrong doesn't make him mad. What's interesting about this - and pretty sad too - is the extent to which everyone wants him to be mad. Would that have happened had this been an Al Qaeda-type attack? If he had a big beard would everyone be so intent on examining his mental state? Or would it be 'obviously' a politically motivated crime in that case?

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    he got a better deal than Chapman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton

    Inside the World's Most Humane Prison - Photo Essays - TIME


    The maximum sentence in Norway, even for murder, is 21 years.

    Since most inmates will eventually return to society, prisons mimic the outside world as much as possible to prepare them for freedom.

    At Halden, rooms include en-suite bathrooms with ceramic tiles, mini-fridges and flat-screen TVs.

    Officials say sleeker televisions afford inmates less space to hide drugs and other contraband.

    Photo taken 2010.
    Trond Isaksen / Statsbygg

    Inside the World's Most Humane Prison - Photo Essays - TIME

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    JHC , there's probably plenty who would commit a crime just to get in there

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    The thought of this man being sent to a rehabilitation unit shortly after his sentencing for the slaughter of 77 innocent civilians may give rise to doubts of the sanity of those who govern the country.

    The reason for imprisonment can be defined thus:

    1. To protect society

    2. As a punishment for the crime committed


    In this instance Breivik has to serve imprisonment on both counts for his quite appalling behaviour and it is difficult to believe for the victim's families that such a man would be given the opportunity to associate with society ever again.

    More interestingly i wonder how so called experts establish a persons sanity in such a case.

    e.g. it is not within my character to kill another human who is causing no immediate physical harm to myself or others. If most peoples sanity could be judged on such a mechanism would that then make murderers insane by definition?

    Was Dr Harold Shipman, the worlds most prolific serial killer insane and if so is the shot calling on his insanity merely a personal opinion of a medical advisor or one that can be established beyond a reasonable doubt?

    Sane or insane, lets hope that Breivik is destined for a very long stay inside to ensure that society is protected from him.

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    Suppose we (I) shouldn't criticize Norway's criminal laws or it's focus on rehabilitation.

    After all, it is one of the safest countries in the world, has far less imprisoned and recidivism rate far below most countries.

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    ^^^^Julian Assange is crashing on the floor of a windowless storeroom in the basement of the Ecuadorian embassy to escape extradition to Sweden.

    Does he not realise what he is missing!

    He will be out the front door of that embassy faster than Roadrunner when he sees these photos.

    I used to dream of a pad like that when I was a student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post
    [sic]..but honestly you have to be raving mad to have done what he has done...
    Or politically extreme [which he was].
    Add a touch of twisted religious zealotry [which he imbibed].

    ....and you have the makings of a mad hatter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    JHC , there's probably plenty who would commit a crime just to get in there.
    His actual cell.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Mao
    His actual cell.
    That's where he has been held during the trial. Not where he will go.

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    A photo of Breivick after seeing his new accommodation



    Have these 'progressive' criminal justice systems lost sight of the fact that criminal sentences are about 'punishment' and allowing society a sense of justice and retribution against individuals that commit outrageous offences against the community. Serious offenders should be in uncomfortable surroundings and should be seen to be so as an example.

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