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    Pakistani girl accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty

    An 11-year-old Christian Pakistani girl could face the death penalty under the country's notorious blasphemy laws, after she was accused by her neighbours of deliberately burning sacred Islamic texts.

    Rifta Masih was arrested on Thursday, after complaints against her prompted angry demonstrations. Asif Ali Zardari, the president, has ordered the interior ministry to investigate the case.

    As communal tensions continued to rise, about 900 Christians living on the outskirts of Islamabad have been ordered to leave a neighbourhood where they have lived for almost two decades.

    On Sunday, houses on the backstreets of Mehrabadi, an area 20 minutes' drive from western embassies and government ministries, were locked with padlocks, their occupants having fled to already overcrowded Christian slums in and around the capital.

    One of the senior members of the dominant Muslim community told the Christians to remove all their belongings from their houses by 1 September. "I don't think anyone will dare go back after this," said one Christian, Arif Masih. "The area is not safe for us now."

    A few brave souls have stayed behind, but shopkeepers have refused to serve their Christian neighbours or supply them with water. Locals say only about 10% of families in the area are Christian, renting cramped houses from Muslim landlords. They tend to do dirty, menial jobs such as sewer maintenance.

    Relations between the communities had been simmering for months after complaints were made about the noise coming from three churches in the area during religious services. Two of the landlords who owned the buildings had already ordered an end to worship and some services were forcibly broken up.

    But there was no indication that all the Christians would be forced out so suddenly until Rifta was accused of the provocative act of burning the sacred words of Islam.

    It sparked immediate demonstrations by crowds estimated at between 600 and 1,000 people, some of whom blocked the nearby Kashmir highway, the major road running west out of the capital.

    The police, initially unwilling to take action, eventually charged the girl with blasphemy and took her into custody. The rest of the community, including her parents, fled.

    As with many other aspects of the incident, there is disagreement about exactly what was burned. Some say it was a small pocket book of Qur'anic verses. Others claim it was pages of the Qur'an. Either it was a relatively small quantity of ash carried in an earthenware dish, or it was around half a kilogram of refuse that filled a small plastic shopping bag.

    Hammad Malik, a 23-year-old with a shaven head and bushy beard who is deemed a "scoundrel" by the Christian community, said he saw Rifta walking out of the tiny, single-room dwelling where she lived with her parents and sister at some time after 6pm. He said it was pure chance that he noticed her bundle.

    "I looked at it but did not know exactly what it was but I could see it had words written in Arabic," he said.

    He concedes that no one actually saw her burning anything as the offence allegedly happened inside the house, and she was caught while finding somewhere to throw away the remains. However, the local mullah claims there was a witness: another young girl who caught her in the act and then ran to the mosque to raise the alarm.

    One thing the Muslim community does agree on is that claims in the local media, sourced to the police, that the girl has Down's syndrome are false.

    "She is a completely normal girl," said Kamran Khan, cousin of the Masih family's landlord. As the largely male and grownup crowd gathered outside the house, a girl who said she knew Rifta said she did behave oddly – she talked to herself and walked in a peculiar way.

    The other point of general agreement is that "the law should be followed". Unfortunately, the law in question is Pakistan's blasphemy law, which has a proven track record of ensnaring people on the flimsiest of evidence and being cynically used to intimidate communities or settle quarrels over money and property.

    Even though no one has yet been executed for blasphemy in Pakistan, long prison terms are common – one Christian couple was sentenced to 25 years in 2010 after being accused of touching the Qur'an with unwashed hands.

    There have also been cases of people killed by lynch mobs demanding instant punishment. Daring to criticise the law is incredibly risky and few do it.

    In 2011, Salman Taseer, the former governor of Punjab province, was gunned down by his own bodyguard after he spoke out against the case of Aasia Bibi, another Christian woman accused of blasphemy.

    The Christian community of Mehrabadi says the whole thing is a plot. They too have conflicting accounts of what happened. In one version, according to priest Boota Masih, a Muslim neighbour asked the girl to throw out the ash into which the desecrated pages had been placed.

    Either way, one hotly contested incident involving a very young girl looks set to change the complexion of the neighbourhood for ever.

    "They have done this to provoke the Muslims, like they have with their noisy banging and singing from their churches," said a local mullah, who would not give his name. "We are not upset the Christians have left and we will be pleased if they don't come back."

    Pakistani girl accused of Qur'an burning could face death penalty | World news | guardian.co.uk

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    Pretty sad that people are now so accustomed to these kinds of despicable acts by Muslim scum, especially Pakistani Muslims, that a news article such as this goes without poster comment or interest.

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    But what to say about it? It's so insanely wrong to even think about punishing a kid for being seen with some ashes that I'm speechless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benbaaa View Post
    But what to say about it? It's so insanely wrong to even think about punishing a kid for being seen with some ashes that I'm speechless.
    And the western feminist orgs turn a blind eye every time

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    Bloody Christians, getting all up in peoples shit.

    pfft.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post

    was sentenced to 25 years in 2010 after being accused of touching the Qur'an with unwashed hands.
    Now you gotta get this. This Holy Book of Shite is so fuckin holy because it's the unalterable word of Scumbag Allah.

    There really is no moderate interpretation, like there is of The Christian Holy Book of Shite.

    This is taken seriously not only by radical Muzzies.

    There is NO moderate version of Islam. There can not be a moderate version of Islam.

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    Well it is because she didnt form anti putin group. If it was antiputin quran burning she would be okey.
    Last edited by gas; 20-08-2012 at 04:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post

    was sentenced to 25 years in 2010 after being accused of touching the Qur'an with unwashed hands.
    Now you gotta get this. This Holy Book of Shite is so fuckin holy because it's the unalterable word of Scumbag Allah.

    There really is no moderate interpretation, like there is of The Christian Holy Book of Shite.

    This is taken seriously not only by radical Muzzies.

    There is NO moderate version of Islam. There can not be a moderate version of Islam.
    Most people will just throw christians and Buddhists in the same pile as muslims even though every religion combined has killed less people in 200 years then muslims kill on a bad day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal View Post
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    was sentenced to 25 years in 2010 after being accused of touching the Qur'an with unwashed hands.
    Now you gotta get this. This Holy Book of Shite is so fuckin holy because it's the unalterable word of Scumbag Allah.

    There really is no moderate interpretation, like there is of The Christian Holy Book of Shite.

    This is taken seriously not only by radical Muzzies.

    There is NO moderate version of Islam. There can not be a moderate version of Islam.
    Most people will just throw christians and Buddhists in the same pile as muslims even though every religion combined has killed less people in 200 years then muslims kill on a bad day.
    ^Seriously?
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    this young girl has down syndrome or development disability
    has to watch her neighbours goin crazy
    and then she's thrown into a paki 'jail'.

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    muslims are hateful intolerant people in general.

    This is no surprise.

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    punishment for the girl/parents - yes...

    but not death sentence...

    and why pls do some here say this "is intolerant" - when burning holy books is not permitted?
    in most of the western countries you are facing punishment when burning the flag...
    there is no much difference...

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    Well when a reiigous bunch of zealots have power over un-educated families then this will only increase.
    Poor girl, so sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat
    ...in most of the western countries you are facing punishment when burning the flag...
    Which ones?

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    all european ones...

    its not necessarily jail, but an offence, being fined...

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    Not the US, UK, Canada.

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    ^ Weirdly, quite a few it turns out (Flag desecration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). You've got to admire the Danes: "It is illegal in Denmark, under section 110 (e) of the Danish penal code, to desecrate the flags or national symbols of foreign nations, while legal to burn the Dannebrog, Denmark's national flag". That's taking being nice to quite an extreme.

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    there is no much difference...
    You're quite right that everyone has their own ideas of the sacred and you violate those at your own peril but you're not right that in most European countries an 11-year old girl (with or without learning difficulties) would face state sanctions for doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zooheekock View Post
    ^ Weirdly, quite a few it turns out (Flag desecration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). You've got to admire the Danes: "It is illegal in Denmark, under section 110 (e) of the Danish penal code, to desecrate the flags or national symbols of foreign nations, while legal to burn the Dannebrog, Denmark's national flag". That's taking being nice to quite an extreme.
    Yeah. I just had a look at Wiki and was surprised, too.

    But the point is, she was 11 FFS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    all european ones...

    its not necessarily jail, but an offence, being fined...
    Nonsense. It's illegal in some, legal in others. No European country would punish an 11 year old for flag burning.

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    This is something interesting I read a while ago on America secular religion. I wonder what would provoke the same response in other countries:
    One semester in REL 101 I told students that I would perform a “ritual” with them, whereby I would make “the Sacred” manifest itself. My ritual supplies included a bowl of water, a glue stick, a lighter, and some square, rectangular, and long strips of white, green, red, and blue paper.

    I began the ritual by gluing together strips of paper into various shapes, and then having students come up in turns and either tear my creation into pieces or burn it with the lighter (and then toss it in the water to avoid tripping smoke alarms).

    We repeated these steps of the ritual five or six times, until I glued together red, white, and blue pieces of paper such that they vaguely resembled an American flag. Apparently “the Sacred” had appeared, as no student would tear or burn (dare I say “profane”?) the ritual creation. Apparently we were successful in forcing a hierophany.

    Less sophisticated reasons for the exercise included the following:

    It was fun watching students try to figure out what the heck I was doing.
    It was fun to play with fire.
    I’m a jerk and enjoy satirizing Eliade.

    But there are more sophisticated, Durkheimean reasons for the exercise. I explained to students that:

    There’s nothing necessarily mysterious or supernatural about those cultural institutions we call religions—holding symbols or practices as “sacred” is par for the course for pretty much any social collective.

    Those cultural institutions we call religious seem functionally identical to those cultural institutions called nationalisms, despite many attempts to render the former as unique, distinct, or sui generis.

    Those of you in the US, be on the lookout for appearances of “the Sacred” on this high holy day of American nationalism …
    Nationalist Hierophanies | Bulletin for the Study of Religion

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    Most Religions revere their Holy Book but the Muslims take it to totally ridiculous extremes - it's just words printed on paper for (insert the name your own Supreme Being here, if unsure or you despise Religion in general "F##ks" will suffice)) sake.

    It gets even more crazy - I recall an Olympics - or some other major event, not sure - where disposable Soft Drink cups, Napkins etc. had been imprinted with the National Flags of the various competing Nations as a simple celebration of the coming together of Nations in Sporting harmony.

    Up pop the Sand Monkeys from Saudi whose Flag mainly consists of the words - in Arabic - of the Muslim Shahada - the "Call to Faith" ...... "There is no god but God, Muhammad is the messenger of God" (in English here for obvious reasons).

    These f##kwits objected to the fact that these items would be thrown in the trash and thus - in their pathetic worldview - desecrate the "holy word of Islam".

    And of course the weak-kneed West collectively grovelled and said "oops - sorry let us all kiss your nutty brown A$$".

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    And if, say, a young man called Charlie Gilmour were to swing from a union jack on the Cenotaph it would of course pass without mention. You certainly wouldn't hear religiously-loaded words like 'desecrate' used to describe that, would you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    punishment for the girl/parents - yes...

    but not death sentence...

    and why pls do some here say this "is intolerant" - when burning holy books is not permitted?
    in most of the western countries you are facing punishment when burning the flag...
    there is no much difference...
    Punishment for what??? On what fucking evidence? All they have is some ashes and the words from the mouth of some stinking muzzie crackpot, and they want to kill an 11 year old christian girl!! All a ruse because they don't like to hear a church service in their neighbourhood.
    Scum the lot of them

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