BBC still running the aftermath as it's lead news item - in it's usual mawkish way.
Even though there is other more significant breaking news.
Same same as with the Christchuch earthquake.
I've said it before about other subjects and it certainly applies here, my freedom is far more important to me than my safety. I carried a gun legally in the USA and prefer to take my chances in an armed society than one which has been neutered by the Government. I would not expect any better from Britain, this is the same Country that expects you to flee your home rather than hurt an intruder and we frequently read where people are arrested there for not doing so. That is liberal arrogance gone insane and truly pathetic.
America already has laws severely punishing criminals and mental incompetents who carry guns illegally, sadly there will always be some like this nut that fall through the cracks.
please list any of your "freedoms" which have been neutered by the government.Originally Posted by BobR
and just out of curiosity, are you a middle aged (or older) white male? because in my experience , it's nearly always this demographic group which is most worried about this type of thing.
^ I checked for BobR on the Miley Cyrus thread and he's nowhere to be seen.
The nutter appeared in court today for some kind of hearing. He looks like he's either completely gone mentally, or he's on an absolute shitload of medication.
The D.A. was asked that question and refused to answer it, so I assume the latter may well be true.
I'm sure someone will find a video but there is a slideshow here.
He will be formally charged next week.
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Bob, that's more than a wee bit incorrect.Originally Posted by BobR
If you mean that citizens in the UK are advised to protect themselves in manner that doesn't include blasting away at an intruder in the dark with an automatic firearm (prohibited weapon in the UK btw) within the confines of their own home then yes, there are many more ways of dealing or avoiding a confrontation with the perpertrator than phoning the local undertaker.
Hmmm, don't agree with Ice T's premises, but he's got a point. IMO, I'd rather be shot than macheted or whatever (Rwanda comes to mind). As an aside, do they have gun laws in Norway?
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From what I've read there's strict gun laws in Norway. If some whack-job wants to go out and slaughter a bunch of people with guns, he'll find a way to do it in Norway, UK, OZ - anywhere...
At the end of the day, when has the government been for the people? The government is about taking power and independence from its people! Incrementally, the dumbed-down accept it.
Yes, that is true. However, when guns are readily available it happens with an alarming regularity.
How many people die from being shot per year in the US? I mean it only makes the news when several are killed at the same time, so I'm assuming there are lots of incidents per day?
How many a day?
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OK, can only find 2007 figures. It's off Wiki, don't shoot me just yet, but it has it's source as
"Xu, Jiaquan; Kenneth D. Kochanek, Sherry L. Murphy, Betzaida Tejada-Vera (2010-05-20). "Deaths: Final Data for 2007" (PDF). National Vital Statistics Reports (CDC) 58(19): 11. Retrieved 2011-04-07."
12,632 HOMICIDES by gun in 2007. 33 and change PER DAY.
I'm not sure what's weirder, the number of deaths or that people only think that there's a problem when 10 plus are killed at the same time. It's really a tiny blip in the figures.
I'm afraid I nearly had to stop watching when I heard someone mention "art" and "rapping" as if in some way they are related.
AS for the ludicrous argument about "protecting yourself against tyranny", perhaps they should modify the constitution and introduce "the right to bear tanks", or "the right to bear RPGs".
I was referring to Britain and the rest of Europe where you cannot have gun and can be arrested for hurting an intruder in your own home. And yes, we've had several articles posted here in the last few years in which people were arrested in Britain for little more than defending their home and the possessions they worked to get from a thief or an intruder.
That's far more insane than America's gun laws.
Well you are incorrect, Bob.
You *can* have a gun in England provided you are licensed to do so by your local police. You can also use reasonable force to protect yourself and your family, as evidenced by recent cases where burglars have been stabbed to death and no prosecution has been sought. (I assume you think it's reasonable that the taking of a life is investigated fairly irrespective of the circumstances?).
There was one case where someone was jailed, but that was because he trapped the intruder and then proceeded to beat and torture him.
What you can't do is pull out a weapon and shoot just *anyone* who you consider to be a threat, and we all know how many innocent people get shot in the US, don't we? 2%, from the NRA's own figures above.
And that excludes the - a guess - 1,000 odd accidental gun deaths a year?
Your wasting your time H. Square peg and round hole comes to mind. Some people think they`re still living in the wild west.
I read this week of a police officer outside a house in the early hours of the morning. The officer started beating on the door. When a totally innocent man open the door with his gun the officer simply shot the guy dead. Evidently there is no law that states they have to inform the household that it is the police beating on your door at 3am hence the totally innocent owner answering the door in case it is some deranged crack head. A few days later another cop shoots dead his son after mistaking him for a burglar when his son came home late.
When you have a easy access to guns and a certain cavalier attitude to blasting first and asking questions later then you will always have these type of incidents.
Banning guns does nothing except ensure just the bad guys have the guns.
The knee jerk reaction to the Dunblane massacre did nothing to stop gun crime. it simply banned the law abiding people from legitimately owning a hand gun.
As far as this psycho goes my thoughts are that in cases like this where there isn't any shadow of a doubt as to the guilt of the man / woman then thy need to be simply taken away and shot like the animals they are.
This saves the families from the months of grief as this thing plays out over the coming months and it also takes away the fame and attention away from the psycho that committed the atrocity.
This is the main thing they crave and is the reason for doing it. Maybe it would stop future massacres if these sick people realised that they would simply be shot and tossed aside very quickly to be forgotten it might just not be worth it !
Just my two Satangs worth !
Treat everyone as a complete and utter idiot and you can only ever be pleasantly surprised !
Give BobR some credit as a gun owner who is at least prepared to engage in some kind of sensible debate, and to accept that some of the NRA propaganda about the laws in other countries is actually deliberately misleading, as are the statistics often thrown up.
I think it merits further debate in many areas. Half of suicides in the US are by gun (17,000 in 2009). With a quarter of the population and 1/7th of the guns in civilian hands, you'd expect this figure in the UK to be 600, but in fact its only about 100.
I wonder how many of those 17,000 could have been saved, counselled and kept alive if they weren't able to top themselves so readily?
There is a rise in gun crime over the last decade or so, mainly down to the rise in gang culture in the cities and notable cuts in the police service.
However, handgun deaths are now down to a handful.
Personally I think the gun laws in the UK are about right, the gangs do tend to top each other, and if anything I'd like to see better punishment for criminals who commit gun crimes, I like the US "three strikes" legislation, I'm sick of criminals getting out and doing the same, repeat offenders probably add to these statistics as they do in other violent crimes.
Interestingly, the police were investigating the Dunblane murderer before his act, and yet the evidence of their investigation still appears to be blocked by a D-notice.
It takes a really big fella to decide that the solution to a tragedy is to simply toss out the entire concepts of 'rule of law' and the entire judicial process.Originally Posted by The Big Fella
Interesting that you are able to decide on his motives when nobody else can.Originally Posted by The Big Fella
You vastly over estimate the value of your opinion.....Originally Posted by The Big Fella
GiT has to be wetting himselfOriginally Posted by harrybarracuda
for mine , start building the insanity plea .
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