Thread: Iran lawmakers prepare to close Hormuz Strait

When will America ever learn, they can't even beat a few rag heads in Afghanistan and talk about whooping Iran's ass is just that talk. Sure they can drop a few bombs on Iran and kill countless women and children but as usual they will achieve nothing and just end up yet again bankrupting and embarrassing themselves.

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Originally Posted by buriramboy

When will America ever learn, they can't even beat a few rag heads in Afghanistan and talk about whooping Iran's ass is just that talk. Sure they can drop a few bombs on Iran and kill countless women and children but as usual they will achieve nothing and just end up yet again bankrupting and embarrassing themselves.

Actually I tend to agree with you, the whole Iraq and Afghanistan business is a royal cluster fuck, but that's precisely why they would never consider a ground assault against Iran.

I think they'd settle for just making the Strait of Hormuz a *little* bit wider. They can do that with ordnance only.

Actually it's just wonderful. If Iran tries to close the TSS's, which are in Omani waters, then they are committing an illegal act, and Oman can call upon anyone it likes to kick them out. I can guess who's first on speed dial.

For once, international law has a straightforward answer: no. Any attempt by Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz would be unambiguously illegal; the shipping lanes through the Strait of Hormuz, as laid out by the International Maritime Organization, lay within the territorial sea of Oman. Although the 12-mile territorial seas of Iran and Oman overlap at the narrowest points of the Strait, the deepest waters — and thus the shipping channels — lay to the south, within Oman’s territorial waters. As such, any military action by Iran to shut down shipping through Hormuz would inevitably impinge on Oman’s sovereign rights.

Has OhOh redded you yet?
Seems he's throwing a cyber hissy-fit coz he's losing the argument.

Iran can just mine the whole straits if they so desire, probably a lot easier and safer for them to do than trying a naval blockade.

They're flexing their muscles and/or rattling sabres:

TEHRAN, IRAN (AP) — Iran's powerful Revolutionary Guards test fired several ballistic missiles on Tuesday, including a long-range variety capable of hitting U.S. bases in the region as well as Israel, Iranian media reported.
The official IRNA news agency said the surface-to-surface missiles successfully hit their targets, while semi-official Fars said the salvos included the so-called Shahab-3 missile. It quoted a leading officer as saying the missiles travelled distances of up to 1,300 kilometers, or 800 miles.
"So far, we have launched missiles from 300 to 1,300 kilometers in the maneuver," said Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, who heads the Guards' aerospace division. He hinted that some missiles had an even longer range.
Iran has tested a variety of missiles in previous war games, including a Shahab-3 variant with a range of 2,000 kilometers (1,200 miles).
Israel is about 1,000 kilometers (600 miles) away from Iran's western borders, while the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet is based in Bahrain, some 200 kilometers (120 miles) from Iranian shores in the Persian Gulf.
On Sunday, a European Union oil embargo meant to pressure Iran over its nuclear program came into effect. The West suspects the Islamic Republic wants to build nuclear weapons, and Israel has hinted at an attack if diplomatic efforts and sanctions fail to eliminate what it sees as a direct threat.
Iran insists its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, such as power generation and cancer treatment.
The commander quoted by Fars said Iran also plans to use both unmanned and manned bombers in the war games.
He said Iran is testing a variety of other missiles in the exercises, which Tehran says aim to assess the accuracy and effectiveness of its warheads and weapons systems.
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According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, on an average day in 2011, about 14 tankers carrying 17 million barrels (2,700,000 m3) of crude oil passed out of the Persian Gulf through the Strait.

This was said to represent 35% of the world's seaborne oil shipments, and 20% of oil traded worldwide.

The report stated that more than 85 percent of these crude oil exports went to Asian markets, with Japan, India, South Korea and China the largest destinations.[1]

Strait of Hormuz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

you're the only one in this thread driven by Calgary-like fanaticism and paranoid obsession - which I'm sure is not merely a coincidence.

There was only one person who knew that I lived in Calgary, Alberta and that person has a different user name to you, or are you multi posting?

I have absolutely no idea what he is talking about either, confirming my suspicions, of course.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Originally Posted by OhOh

If you mean fanaticism for the rule of law, as opposed to brute force, you are correct, but somehow your stance has a wiff of religious intolerance/racism about it.

Everyone else in here seems to be rationally pointing out facts and asking questions - both of which you appear to ignore.

I am sorry I must have missed the questions, can you point me to them. A post number is sufficient.

Still waiting for the facts and questions!

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Iran can just mine the whole straits if they so desire, probably a lot easier and safer for them to do than trying a naval blockade.

The US can un-mine the waters with relative ease, and such an act would be considered an act of War by Iran, as they would need to mine adjoining territorial waters as well.

What gets me about all of this, is that dinnerplate facing a serious threat to his desire to run iran, not from the religious establismsnt which he is increasingly neutering with the revolutionary guard, but from an ever increasing youth that wants rid of both him and the religious establishment.

The only thing that can unite iranians behind the establishment is the invocation of the whole nations resentment of the UK's and US's historical interference in irans internal affairs, this resentment is so deep its hard to describe. Dinnerplate has been doing this for as long as he has been in power, and whilst its no surprise to me that we have people on TD don't have the brains to see how they are being played.... I am surprised at how effective these tired techniques are on the international community that constantly rise to dinnerplate's baiting. That is all the the OP represents.

The danger is that the sanctions are screwing up his economy and killing of his options to buy off irans youth with jobs and economic growth. Ultumatly closing down hormuz will increasingly be come an option with little downside and a lot of upside. In a shooting war every bomb dropped on iran, every american boat sunk and every dead iranian will strengthen his position. If there is a land invasion he has a whole generation of young trouble makers he can send as cannon fodder to fight off the invaders, he will push the invaders back as iran did with iraq, and as these people die, so does their threat to his continued rule.

The only logical option open to the west is to keep up the sanctions, not to rise to provocations and wait for the people of iran to rid themselves of their establishment. Hoping for a war is both vile and foolish.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

For once, international law has a straightforward answer: no. Any attempt by Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz would be unambiguously illegal; the shipping lanes through the Strait of Hormuz, as laid out by the International Maritime Organization, lay within the territorial sea of Oman. Although the 12-mile territorial seas of Iran and Oman overlap at the narrowest points of the Strait, the deepest waters — and thus the shipping channels — lay to the south, within Oman’s territorial waters. As such, any military action by Iran to shut down shipping through Hormuz would inevitably impinge on Oman’s sovereign rights.

Or, how did OhOh put it so aptly:

Originally Posted by OhOh

But let's not allow facts to cloud the issue.

Yes, that's it. I have no doubt he is not letting facts cloud his judgement and view. At all..

I guess Oman's sovereignty does matter to him.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

you're the only one

Tell that to the Gypsies, the Jews, the intellectuals, the non Aryans in Nazi Germany.

Seriously, I've had it with the mongoloid retard sockpuppets on this forum!

^^Didums

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Seriously, I've had it with the mongoloid retard sockpuppets on this forum!

flounce number 2 building huh Daffy

Originally Posted by OhOh

I have refered to Irans territorial waters throughout this thread. The best map I can find indicates both inbound and outbound shipping appears to cross these waters.

Ships moving through the Strait follow a Traffic Separation Scheme (TSS), which separates inbound from outbound traffic to reduce the risk of collision. The traffic lane is six miles (10 km) wide, including two two-mile (3 km)-wide traffic lanes, one inbound and one outbound, separated by a two-mile (3 km) wide separation median.

To traverse the Strait, ships pass through the territorial waters of Iran and Oman under the transit passage provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.[4]

Although not all countries have ratified the convention,[5] most countries, including the U.S.,[6] accept these customary navigation rules as codified in the Convention.

Oman has a radar site Link Quality Indicator (LQI) to monitor the TSS in the strait of Hormuz.

This site is on a small island on the peak of Musandam Peninsula.


Strait of Hormuz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by hazz

Under BettyBoo's standard TD dictionary, I believe that daffy has actually flounced

Daffy most certainly has / did flounce ,

now the betting is about when the current incarnation will implode

^^In british english "mongoloid" is a politically incorrect reference to someone with downs syndrome, the term derives from the relatively oriental appearance of the victims faces.

Under these circumstances calling him racist is rather like thai Buddhist's getting upset with a Disney film about a dog called buddy, in that it tells you much more about the person complaining than it does about the person being complained about

see also :

Nautical Chart Viewer: Strait of Hormuz

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jksonc/...88-1580px.html


If necessary the inshore traffic zone on the Omani side will suffice