no i am not taking about a society that allows people to protect themselves, i am taking about a society that thinks its reasonable to
Stalk and hunt someone down for no other reason than you feel they dont belong
To execute them, whilst they beg for their lives
One of the most fundimental rights in this world is the right to life and its not unreasonable to expect people to have a bloody reason for taking one legally. It seems to me that this young man was killed ofr no other reason that, rather like yourself, mr zimmerman is shit scared of anyone with black skin. Because i am yet to hear any explanation as to why zimmerman had no choice but to kill the chap, beyond the veiw that black peolle are violent evil people who simly should be shot for existing.
Well, that's the problem. We have no concrete news to determine much of anything yet.
From what I've gathered Zimmerman was out to murder someone and he finally talked himself into doing it, but I can't be sure of it.
From the 911 tapes Zimmerman admits to following the young man (you can hear him out of breath as if he had been chasing Trayvon). The 911 dispatcher tells Zimmerman to stop following the boy and then the 911 dispatcher asks him to meet the police at the mailboxes for the apartments. Zimmerman agrees to the meeting place and then changes his mind saying, have the police call me and I will tell them where I am at. The 911 dispatcher agrees to this.
It leads me to believe that Zimmerman was stalking the boy. He was the aggressor. If the boy fought Zimmerman it was because Zimmerman was the aggressor. The Florida 'stand your ground' law doesn't seem to apply as a defense.
New witness in the Trayvon Martin case:
17-year-old was ‘beating up’ gunman, according to anonymous witness.
Trayvon Martin: New witness tells police George Zimmerman was provoked | Mail Online
If there was a fight between the two, it was instigated by Zimmerman as he was the approaching illegal stalker who confronted Martin as he was phoning his girlfriend.
It appears to me that Martin was acting in self defence against an illegal harassment by Zimmerman.
HB, your characterization of Florida is hopelessly simplistic, which is why I haven't responded until now, but you seem to be clinging to it; perhaps you've confused Florida with Alabama. North and Central Florida are pretty much South Dixie, but the rest of the state, including the most densely populated areas, is not. Florida society, and the tensions within it, are a lot more complex than "white v black." White, often elderly, Floridians, many of them transplanted northerners, are paranoid about all sorts of people- blacks, Latinos, scary white kids, the poor (no shortage of those in Flawda), but the political power in Florida leans as Hispanic (who probably by and large supported the "no retreat" provision) and Jewish (who probably by a slight majority didn't) as much as it does cracker.
Now, for crazed racism, check out Fox News. Some of these comments make Mr. Gribbs sound almost like the voice of tolerance:
Little Green Footballs - Fox News Commenters Spew Another Deluge of Racist Hatred at Trayvon Martin and President Obama
And once again, the racism and hatred is just pouring out of the Fox News audience, in the comments for their article about Obama’s remarks:
Perhaps Obama, Sharpton and Louis Eugene Wolcott (aka Louis Farrakhan) can hold a “Malt Liquour Summit.” Also, have you noticed the femininity of both Farrakhan and Rev. Wright? A natural attraction for B.O.
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Trayvon = Like most Bl acks he’s illegitimate. Where’s his father?
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A new low for obama.CNN ,its blaque anchor and blaque guest,has airtime to denounce this event.the killing is a tragedy,and our blaque president does not need to highlight it..enjoy your time in the spotlite all you minorities…I do not think america will ever elect a blaque,mexican,or any other ,,,thanx to this president,,,he has shown the world, favoritism to his race,,which was not supposed to exist..
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Yes, his panic on Ne gro crime is an epidemic…sorry this did not fit the template you were soooo hoping for.
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Obamanure should start wearing a hoodie so as to more closely identify with his kind.
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Did the white side of him just use a racist joke saying all b l a c k s look alike?
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I know one thing, if a n i g g e r is in my fenced in area he would meet my 12 gauge. N i g g e r s throughout history have been nothing but trouble everywhere they go!
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Obowma is the most judgemental, racist POS on the face of the earth, BAR NONE.
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You’re right, Barak, he DOES look Kenyan…..
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moochelle is probably wondering where barry was 18 years ago…. gotta go check his calendar… im betting he was too busy on the down low to care about women
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Obama is helping a b l a c k mob l y n c h an innocent H i s p a n i c for votes.
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All I can say is that God Zimmerman (the alleged shooter) isn’t a white guy! Now I can walk around and not worry about the hommies beatin on my white-azz over this. Well, at least not over this issue. This whitey is off the hook on this one.
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Breaking News! Last week, when Joe Biden heard that the lead Monkee had died, he ran down the hall of the White House yelling,”I’m the President!, I’m the President!” We can only imagine his disappointment …
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The real question is, if B.O. Sr. is B.O. Jr’s daddy, why does Junior look like Frank Marshall Davis?
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If he was a B l a c k teacher we would lower our flags at half mast—-why? because b l a c k s are semi-retarded—-so we feel sympathy for them.
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Hey Obama, the French Muzzle-em terrorist could be Darryl, your twin brother.
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Shizzle-Nizzle is such a BUFFOON! First, he orders the Holder’s corrupt Feds into a LOCAL law enforcement matter—now….
“SLAYV-VON BEE IZ ONE ‘O MAH LONG-LOST BASTUHD CHITLINS!
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Hello!No, Trayvon does not have African chimpanzee ears so 0bama’s son would not look like Trayvon.
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if they still lived in Africa, they would be living in huts and caves and eating one another.
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Why? … cause Obama would have bought his son a hoody and baggy pants and let him roam the streets all hours of the night?
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Any Obama offspring should be slaughtered including his two wh0re c, u n t daughters. Americans have payed a great price to beat back the communist and Americans will make sure it was not for nothing.
I had to stop at that last one, because I was starting to get physically ill at the thought that I’m sharing a country with these people. This is the right wing base; there is a huge number of comments in this vein, and many of them have numerous “likes” from other readers.
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Yes, "This is the right wing base." I don't like sharing a country with them either, and I rather like the idea of a "no retreat" provision (written appropriately to prevent vigilantism, stalking and dueling) given that these racist cnuts are so damned hard to avoid nowadays.
“You can lead a horticulture but you can’t make her think.” Dorothy Parker
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This case is red meat to the crazies on both sides. You have the Black Panthers offering a $10K reward Dead or Alive for Zimerman and you have the folks quoted above. My question is what was 6’2″ Trayvon Martin, wearing a hoodie, doing in a gated community without permission in the middle of the night?
A Deplorable Bitter Clinger
I believe that an investigation is now underway, although it may turn out to be just another "whitewash"
You mean the gated community in which he lived in with his father?Originally Posted by Boon Mee
thank youOriginally Posted by Mr Gribbs
all those bloody clones, I blame the scientists
The Race Pimps are out in force on this one...
Not at all. Absolute denial huh Harry?Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Simply trying to keep you on track, dear chap. You seem to want to shoot the messenger simply because you've run out of anything useful to say.
Or perhaps you'd care to explain what you added to the debate in post #64.
Or in fact what you added when you decided to graciously tell us the subject should be closed?
Are you one of those fired TV mods or something?
The next post may be brought to you by my little bitch Spamdreth
Absolutely .arry.
Actually the topic has run its course for most right thinking people. It appears that those who wish to bait and switch care to stay on this tired and redundant topic to add to their reps.
What is in effect a media circus has grown into a international incident. thanks to CNN and the numerous outraged posters globally that such a thing happened according to their interpretation of the event not actually those facts that have been released.
The racial profiling of the shooter by the CNN network executives has branded this man as "White Hispanic." Like that makes him something other than what he actually is a Hispanic adopted by a white family.
Just who's getting the news story right here? This is the ultimate snow job by black America and as we see many posters are ready willing and able to jump on the band wagon.
The story was posted as an event almost a month ago yet in the past month no outcry was heard over this incident. Why now? Its just not newsworthy, but Al Sharption is on the scene rabble rousing his minions of fools and idiots to the streets to proclaim yet again some conspiracy by Whitey to keep the black man down. He was joined in this call by Obama who referred to this dead black boy as his very own spawn.
Tragic, perhaps, do we know or have all the facts no.
The jury is still out.
The topic is done IMO. You do what you like -arry, but this subject has dropped to the level of housewife gossip.
Oh, do tell, Mr. Wrong Info Right Thinker!
Not you:
Who is George Zimmerman, and why did he shoot Trayvon Martin? - CSMonitor.com
Zimmerman grew up in Manassas, Va., the son of a white father and a Latina mother. He attended a Catholic church, where he was an altar boy.
Ah, yes, monolithic "black America"- it's out to getcha, ltnt!
You certainly don't even seem to have the facts that are easily accessible.
^ Yes ltnt, if this thread has run its course, why are you still posting in it, you dumb shit?
If the kid was grasping 4 balloons, then this case is closed. According to some TD members.
As always a positive reply. Thanks 'arry. As for Robo's comments we all know what to think of you from past experience.Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
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