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    The Hobbit Pub Faces Legal Battle Over Its Name

    It's an epic, blockbuster-style struggle - but this one is about a small pub versus a Hollywood lawyer.



    The Hobbit pub in Southampton (UK) has been threatened with legal action by the Saul Zaentz Company (SZC), which owns exclusive merchandising rights to certain JRR Tolkien classics, including The Hobbit.

    Dubbed the best pub in Southampton in 2007 it has held the name for over 20 years and hosts live music and open-mic nights.

    Landlady Stella Roberts told the Southhampton Echo that they were "stunned" by the action: “We just haven’t got the resources to fight it. How can I take on a multi-million pound power?," she asked.

    It’s not just a case of changing the name – it’s all the merchandise, artwork, absolutely everything. We never planned to steal anybody else’s ideas – we’re all such huge fans of Tolkien that it’s more like a homage.”

    Fans of the pub have launched a campaign to 'Save The Hobbit', with a Facebook group attracting over 3,000 supporters.

    Campaigners have sent a message to the estate of The Hobbit's author, asking for support writing: "We believe the pub to be a brilliant place that does more good than harm to the world of Tolkien's writings and any adaptations thereof, acting as an advertisment to Middle Earth rather than simply stealing ideas."

    Previously movie tycoons from SZC tried to stop a Scottish holiday firm calling their lodges "hobbit houses."

    The Hobbit Pub In Southampton Faces Legal Battle Over Its Name
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    Corporate American cunts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    Corporate American cunts!
    Exactly.

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    Change the name to "The Bobbit" after the Yank that wasn't quite a complete dick.

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    The Knobbit has a nice ring to it

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    Good thing they haven't discovered the Hobbit House, which has existed in Manila for decades. It's totally staffed by the little people, who also live on the premises. Great live music and decent food - at least some years ago when I last went there.

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    Just change it's name to 'not The Hobbit'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    Good thing they haven't discovered the Hobbit House, which has existed in Manila for decades. It's totally staffed by the little people, who also live on the premises. Great live music and decent food - at least some years ago when I last went there.
    Yeah, I was there about 10 years ago.
    It was ok and like you said good live music.

    Wonder if it's still there.

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    I hope so- it's been going for years. I used to go there when Freddy Aguilar played there in the late 80's, in fact he was still doing gigs there for years after his song 'Anak' made it big in Japan, and made him rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo
    Saul Zaentz Company (SZC), which owns exclusive merchandising rights to certain JRR Tolkien classics, including The Hobbit.
    they don't own the name, just the cuddly toys

    so tell them to go away

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    Saul Zaentz is the archetypal litigious Jew. He's been in and out of court with well, you name it. Starting off with John Fogarty of Creedence Clearwater Revival who, if he is to be believed, hardly made a penny out of their great band.

    It's a shame, because the guy is of some artistic merit besides that. A jazz appreciator (he started off in the music biz), he has also produced some great movies- Amadeus, The English Patient, Unbearable Lightness of Being- and the immortal One flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Most recently, he's been in and out of court with Peter Jackson, the director of Lord of the Rings, over the impending Hobbit sequel (or is it prequel).

    Wiki has this to say about this recent, trivial legal action-
    In response to the dispute, Zaentz' company began several trivial legal actions in the UK to enforce their claim over the "Hobbit" brand.
    Saul Zaentz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It is not the only one, either-

    Hungry Hobbit cafe told to change name
    A Birmingham cafe, based near where author JRR Tolkien grew up, has been threatened with legal action by lawyers working for a US film company.

    The Hungry Hobbit in Moseley has been accused of copyright infringement by lawyers representing the Saul Zaentz Company (SZC).

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-15825960

    At the end of the day, these mean spirited and trivial lawsuits against small businesses, that probably predate his financial involvement with things Tolkien anyway, are a pawn in the larger game of, guess what? Hollywood Jews fighting over money.

    Saul, have you no self respect? You deserve to be remembered for better things than being the epitome' of an ugly stereotype.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    I hope so- it's been going for years. I used to go there when Freddy Aguilar played there in the late 80's, in fact he was still doing gigs there for years after his song 'Anak' made it big in Japan, and made him rich.
    Freddy Aguilar was a part owner. When I started going there in the early-'90's (it was only about two blocks from my house and if I was coming from the Del Pilar strip, as was generally the case, I drove right by it), that's how they got Aguilar to play one or two nights a week. A lot of other good musicians as well, many of whom had started out in bands touring Vietnam during the war.

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    They now have there own Facebook page "Save The Hobbit". Over 40,000 likes too. Stephen Fry has backed them, saying he's "ashamed" of the film industry.

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    ^ he should be
    It was TV that made him

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    In 2000 i had the exact problem with the Intel Corp. They were on a campaign to clamp down anyone using intellxxx, intelixxx, intelxxx. They were fookers.

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    Thought this was about the Philippine place.

    Hobbit House, Manila, Philippines

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    yea these pricks would travel the planet
    checking out places that use 'names'.

    forcing someone to change a name after 20 years of use is petty in the extreme.

    i want to boycott everything these misers touch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    Good thing they haven't discovered the Hobbit House, which has existed in Manila for decades. It's totally staffed by the little people, who also live on the premises. Great live music and decent food - at least some years ago when I last went there.
    when did you go? I thought this place shut (in Ermita, right?) a very long time ago.

    same same the place with the 'Nuns'. (hookers dressed in nun's habits who would stay in character right until they enter the hotel room), or the 'big t shirt' disco in Paranaque, where you pay a few pesos for a dance inside a giant xxxx large t shirt with a nude girl.

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    ^I started going there in '90. When I finally moved out of Manila in '03 or '04, it was still open. I'll make some calls tomorrow and find out - I'm interested myself. It's actually in Malate.

    Only took one call. It is open, but it moved from its original location in Malate, where it had been since the '70's, to a new location in Ermita in '07. They also opened a branch in Boracay.
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    The Hobbit pub in the south of England appears to have been saved, thanks to the efforts of The Hobbit film actors Stephen Fry and Sir Ian McKellen.
    The Southampton pub had been threatened with legal action by the Saul Zaentz Company (SZC), which owns the merchandising rights for the Lord of the Rings trilogy and The Hobbit, if it did not change its name.
    The pub has traded as The Hobbit for more than 20 years and features Lord of the Rings-themed cocktails and interior artwork.
    Fry and McKellen, who both star in the upcoming Hobbit film, criticised the Saul Zaentz Company, with Fry calling the threat "pointless, self-defeating bullying".
    SZC has since backed down from the threat of legal action, instead offering to grant the pub a licence to use the name for a $US100 annual fee.
    A message on the Save The Hobbit Facebook page from staff at the pub says the Hobbit actors have stepped in to pay the licence fee.
    "Stephen Fry and Ian McKellen will be visiting the Hobbit Pub sometime after filming is completed and they have even offered to pay for the licence fee," the message said.
    Fry also tweeted at the weekend: "Ian McKellen and I v pleased that The Hobbit pub appears to be safe. Between his FB and my tweet I hope we helped common sense prevail."
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    I went to that pub not that long ago, I didn't think it was particularly worth saving... weird, crap drinks, and naff music, and they charge for entry (some girlie paid for me).

    Things like the Americanisation of British TV, and characters like Winnie the Pooh and Thomas the Tank Engine and Marathon bars are worse than this MPAA-style petulant pedantry.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1F2i0rYMj8

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    Re Post #22: Well done the old thespians for embarrassing the blue suede shoe and making him crawl back under his rock where he belongs.

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    This is still rattling on with lawyers after more than six weeks. Sabang had the measure of this nasty Jew in post #11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound
    nasty Jew
    WTF?


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