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    Russia: Democracy in action

    Notwithstanding all the vote rigging/buying, it's business as usual for the former KGB henchman:

    Russia: Putin To Appoint Medvedev Prime Minister

    March 2, 2012 | 1756 GMT





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    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin (L) and President Dmitri Medvedev in Moscow on Feb. 23


    Russian Prime Minister and presidential candidate Vladimir Putin confirmed March 2 that he will appoint current President Dmitri Medvedev as premier once he resumes the presidency. Putin first announced the job swap plan in September 2011, saying they had discussed the plan for years. However, since then, Medvedev and Putin have been quiet on the issue, and many within Russian media and political circles came to believe that Putin was not serious about the plan and was considering other candidates for prime minister.
    The premiership's responsibilities and power have shifted over the years. Russia's prime minister oversees the organization of the teams that will address political, economic and security issues and is meant to balance the competing agendas of the Kremlin's political clans.
    Rumors began surfacing in the Kremlin that Putin was considering bypassing Medvedev for the premiership because Medvedev was increasingly seen as weak and did not offer much of a strategy to address Russia's growing social, political and economic problems. Furthermore, the more liberal Kremlin clan -- the civiliki, from which Medvedev derived support -- fell into disarray. Kremlin rumors indicated that Putin could turn to former Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin, who left the Kremlin after a falling out with Medvedev and has spent the past few months working with anti-Kremlin protesters. By appointing Kudrin as prime minister, Putin could have pacified the protesters and brought Kudrin's much-needed sharp economic and financial strategies back to the Kremlin. However, Stratfor sources say members of the siloviki clan (who are mostly security hawks) pressured Putin to keep any politician who has flirted with the opposition out of the Kremlin.
    Putin's decision on prime minister came down to who would be the least controversial choice going into a politically volatile environment over the next few months. Putin has said that after the election, he will implement a large-scale restructuring and purge of the government, including his elite inner circles. Moreover, some are concerned about the balance of power within the Kremlin under Putin, as the civiliki clan does not have any leader or unifying force, while the siloviki have reconsolidated. Appointing Medvedev as premier is a way to keep the siloviki at bay while rebuilding a power base for the civiliki.
    However, Putin's decision could be short-term. Previously as president, Putin went through four premiers -- Mikhail Kasyanov, Viktor Kristenko, Mikhail Fradkov, and Victor Zubkov -- changing premiers to meet the needs of the strategy being implemented, either domestically or internationally, and to maintain the balance of power within the Kremlin. For example, Putin appointed Fradkov -- a tax chief and Kremlin outsider -- when the government was consolidating control over the economy and the Kremlin clans were battling. Zubkov, a financial strategist, was named premier when Russia faced a financial crisis.
    Regardless of who is prime minister, Putin will remain in charge. The premiership is important, however, in that it helps keep a balance within Putin's government -- something that is key to Putin's control.







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    Russians still have nukes that are operational. Worrying thought...

    Oh I saw on news that Putin wants "to bring russia to its former glory" (take he means soviet union at 1969) by bringing russia "to top of military spending" and, what was it, "technology of war"? Can see where the oil money goes to...

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    god, harryb, why are you such a stock British whining tard ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    god, harryb, why are you such a stock British whining tard ?
    And you suck french-russian special relationship too far, to the hilt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    god, harryb, why are you such a stock British whining tard ?
    And Butterfly, why is it that every single item you post on any thread is just utter fucking bullshit?

    You never have anything original to say. You're a fucking retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Notwithstanding all the vote rigging/buying, it's business as usual for the former KGB henchman
    Unlike the civilised west eh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    you such a stock British whining tard
    Let's not be too broad with the tar brush

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    [quote=OhOh;2034413]
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Notwithstanding all the vote rigging/buying, it's business as usual for the former KGB henchman
    Unlike the civilised west eh?

    Expected comment from TD's Dave Spart.

    <yawn>

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    [QUOTE=harrybarracuda;2034435]
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    Notwithstanding all the vote rigging/buying, it's business as usual for the former KGB henchman
    Unlike the civilised west eh?

    Expected comment from TD's Dave Spart.

    <yawn>
    However I find it funny this butters vs. the Free World Fuck russians imho

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    butters comes with all the power of belgian kongo...except for the slaves whos hands were cut off. Bit hard to hold a book to read your rights, right? fucker

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    You never have anything original to say. You're a fucking retard.
    because you think you have something to say ? all you do is post news with one liners and then continue to whine and whine like a British colonialist living in a different time,

    no analysis, just British proud rant

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    Thank God there's no analysis. From any of you morons.

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    Masha Gessen's book about Putin looks great. Lots of stuff on the Internets about it, in-depth interview here: Putin Biography Chronicles Rise Of A 'Street Thug' : NPR

    Improbably amusing interview here: Masha Gessen - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 02/29/12 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    You never have anything original to say. You're a fucking retard.
    because you think you have something to say ? all you do is post news with one liners and then continue to whine and whine like a British colonialist living in a different time,

    no analysis, just British proud rant
    Well that's one thing more than you, you ridiculous pouting gallic poofter.


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    Pouting Gallic Poofter. Got a nice ring to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo View Post
    Russians still have nukes that are operational. Worrying thought...

    Oh I saw on news that Putin wants "to bring russia to its former glory" (take he means soviet union at 1969) by bringing russia "to top of military spending" and, what was it, "technology of war"? Can see where the oil money goes to...

    And why shouldn't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo View Post
    Russians still have nukes that are operational. Worrying thought...

    Oh I saw on news that Putin wants "to bring russia to its former glory" (take he means soviet union at 1969) by bringing russia "to top of military spending" and, what was it, "technology of war"? Can see where the oil money goes to...

    And why shouldn't they?
    Er, let me think, er, because millions of Russians live in poverty, and perhaps spending the money improving their lives would be a better thing to do?

    Like it's going to happen, of course.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Notwithstanding all the vote rigging/buying, it's business as usual for the former KGB henchman:
    Poor Putin, now its back to being a KGB henchman. I guess with statements like: "Israel will push U.S. into Iran attack" he made no friends in the jewish parliament/congress. He had the balls to say the truth.
    Israel= pulling the strings
    U.S.= a bull being pulled by the nose ring
    Britain= the little dog barking and wagging his tail next to the bull

    Is Putin on the Mossad hit list ? .

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    ^ No, back to being President.

    And picking his puppy dog as PM.

    Which was the point of this thread.

    Putin has had control of Russia since he was in the KGB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by nostromo View Post
    Russians still have nukes that are operational. Worrying thought...

    Oh I saw on news that Putin wants "to bring russia to its former glory" (take he means soviet union at 1969) by bringing russia "to top of military spending" and, what was it, "technology of war"? Can see where the oil money goes to...

    And why shouldn't they?
    Er, let me think, er, because millions of Russians live in poverty, and perhaps spending the money improving their lives would be a better thing to do?

    Like it's going to happen, of course.

    Er, fair point smarty pants but that wasn't the point i was making.

    The reality is the US and its allies are building bases everywhere for geopolitical reasons while the poor and unemployed suffer! In this case Russia has every right to do the same if they feel threatened by their obvious military expansion.
    You bullied, you laughed, you lied, you lost!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
    The reality is the US and its allies are building bases everywhere for geopolitical reasons while the poor and unemployed suffer! In this case Russia has every right to do the same if they feel threatened by their obvious military expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree View Post
    Pouting Gallic Poofter. Got a nice ring to it.
    no analysis ?

    oh wait, you are American

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
    The reality is the US and its allies are building bases everywhere for geopolitical reasons while the poor and unemployed suffer! In this case Russia has every right to do the same if they feel threatened by their obvious military expansion.
    Yep, I agree, it's a whole new world of threats out there. I drive past banks of Patriots on the way to work every morning, and you don't have to be a genius to guess which way they're pointing.



    We could have a whole new cold war on our hands, but as I didn't really notice the last one despite living through most of it, it would be hard to be less bothered.

    Perhaps they will have a race to put the first man on Mars. That would be nice.

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    An analysis of the recent Russian Presidential election.

    Putin Wins Overwhelmingly [Voltaire Network]

    "Putin’s outspokenness won’t stop. He’ll continue saying “nobody can impose anything on us” and opposing Western efforts “to destroy Russia." "Today our people have proven that such scenarios are not going to work in our country.”

    Pre-election polls predicted around a 60% majority. Final results show Putin won 63.6% of the vote. He got a clear third term mandate. In 2004, he won 71%.

    Five candidates contended:
    United Russia’s Vladimir Putin
    The Communist Party’s Gennady Zyuganov
    The Liberal Democratic Party’s Vladimir Zhirinovsky
    Just Russia’s Sergey Mironov
    Independent candidate Mikhail Prokhorov (billionaire/Russia’s third richest man)

    With nearly all votes counted, official results were as follows:
    Putin: 63.6%
    Zyuganov: 17.2%
    Prokhorov: 7.9%
    Zhirinovsky: 6.2%
    Mironov: 3.9%

    Turnout was 63.3%. It exceeded December’s parliamentary elections.

    Opponents allege fraud. So do major media scoundrels. At issue isn’t who won or lost. Nor is it about a fair or fraudulent process. America’s electoral system is hopelessly corrupted and broken, yet media giants praise it. They also cheerlead America’s imperial agenda. As a result, they reject Putin’s opposition along with China, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, perhaps Brazil and India, and others fed up with what harms their interests.

    Putin’s especially outspoken. He accused America of living beyond its means “like a parasite” harming the global economy. He also called dollar dominance a threat to financial markets. If America’s in “systemic malfunction” it affects everyone, he added.

    In 2003, he denounced Washington’s Iraq war, saying: “The use of force abroad, according to existing international laws, can only be sanctioned by the United Nations. This is the international law. Everything that is done without the UN Security Council’s sanction cannot be recognised as fair or justified.” “I am being as restrained as I can be when I choose these words,” he added. “There were no international terrorists under Hussein,” nor WMDs.

    In 2007, he condemned Washington’s quest for unipolar global dominance “through a system which has nothing to do with democracy.” He added that Western powers are keen to teach Russia about it, but don’t practice it themselves. He said post-Cold War armed conflicts and casualties exceeded prior eras. He added that we’re “witnessing an almost uncontained hyper-use of military force in international relations.” America spurns international norms and principles. It initiated a reckless arms race. It “overstepped its national borders in almost all spheres.” As a result, no one’s secure.

    In 2011, he condemned US/NATO’s Libya war, saying: “The Security Council resolution is deficient and flawed. It allows everything, and is reminiscent of a medieval call for a crusade. It effectively allows intervention in a sovereign state.”
    It’s becoming a “trend,” he added. “Now it’s Libya’s turn – under the pretext of protecting civilians. Where is the logic and conscience? There is neither. The ongoing events in Libya confirm that Russia is right to strengthen her defense capabilities.”

    Now he’s warning against foreign intervention in Syria, saying “Moscow won’t allow anyone to repeat the Libyan scenario….” He also firmly opposes attacking Iran. Last month he accused Washington of “diktat imperialism,” and said Russia will respond accordingly.

    He’s rightfully concerned about US bases encircling Russia, as well as encroaching offensive missile defense systems. His outspokenness shows he’s drawn red line opposition to America’s global imperial agenda. As president, he’s also supreme commander-in-chief in charge of military and foreign policy, especially national security matters.

    Hollow Fraud Accusations

    They falsely raged after last December’s parliamentary elections. Irregularities always occur. At issue is whether results are influenced. Russia’s were minor. Its Central Election Commission (CEC) mentioned inconsequential invisible ink, illegal propaganda, and “merry-go-round” voting incidents.

    The invisible ink scheme was uncovered and stopped. “Merry-go-round” fraud was grossly exaggerated. Without evidence, major media scoundrels claimed otherwise.

    Independent (CEC-invited) international monitors checked voting in over 30 Russian regions. They concluded the process was calm and orderly. Polish monitor Mateus Piskorski said, “All complaints are about technical issues and not about violations of election law.” Institute for Democracy and Cooperation director of studies John Laughland called electoral procedures “absolutely excellent.” He added that polling station workers were “extremely competent.”

    On March 4, RT headlined, “Foreign observers laud Russian monitoring system as ‘best in the world,’ ” saying:

    Thousands of Russian and foreign observers monitored polling stations throughout the voting process. Moreover, an elaborate Webcam system let anyone do it online. In fact, election officials said over two million people registered online to monitor voting live as it occurred. International monitors said it “exceeded everything they saw in their home countries – or anywhere else in the world.” They also agreed that “elections were held in a normal mode and without serious violations.” In addition, they praised the Webcam system. Italian independent observer Alessandro Mussolini said: “Judging by the results of our visits to the polling stations, we can make a statement that the Russian video monitoring system exceeds all international standards. It is wonderful that this complicated election mechanism is working.”

    Bulgarian monitor Milan Bozhevich added: “Everything was, well, transparent and open. Russia has opened a new page in history today – there is a broadcast of the Russian elections all over the world.” Others made similar comments. Serbia’s Tomislav Nikolich called it a “full level of democracy,” what his country’s elections lack.

    One Dagestan polling station was troublesome. Instances of multiple voting occurred. In response, results were nullified. Russia’s Interior Ministry reported no other serious violations.

    At 5:30PM Moscow time (17.5 hours after polls opened in Russia’s Far East), 86 complaints were received. In total after voting ended, 460 were registered. According to CEC’s deputy chairman Stanislav Vavilov:
    “We have information that hundreds of complaints have been written and will be submitted to the CEC in the near future. These complaints have been written in advance (prior to the March 4 poll).”

    Interviewed by RT, Adrian Salbuchi from Buenos Aires called Putin’s momentous victory "a break against a neo-colonial West."

    Washington’s Manipulative Dirty Hands

    National Endowment-funded Golos (a so-called independent NGO election monitor) alleged over 2,000 irregularities, including 900 in Moscow. Executive director Grigory Melkonyants claimed “massive serious violations.” He’s well paid to say it. NED, its National Democratic Institute (NDI) arm, the International Republican Institute (IRI), and similar organizations function as destabilizing US foreign policy tools. They support pro-Western and/or regime change initiatives in over 90 countries. They operate like CIA alter egos, more openly than covertly by funding opposition groups. In Russia, they’re actively anti-Putin. Claiming it’s a “private, nonprofit foundation dedicated to the growth and strengthening of democratic institutions around the world” masks NED’s true agenda. It actively participated in US orchestrated “color revolutions” in Georgia, Ukraine, and elsewhere. It also manipulated so-called “Arab Spring” rebellions to create illusions of change. It represents US imperial interests. Taking NED or other foreign funding violates Russian law. Making baseless accusations exacerbates the crime. In America, prosecutions would result. Golos operates freely in Russia.

    It’s Official: Putin Wins Overwhelmingly

    Late Sunday night, Putin thanked tens of thousands of supporters packing Moscow’s Manezhnaya Square, saying: “We have won in an open and fair struggle….This was more than just a presidential election. This was a very important test for us – a test for the political maturity of our people and independence. We have demonstrated that nobody can impose anything on us.” “We have shown that our people are capable of telling the difference between the desire for novelty and progress, and political provocations that press for only one goal: to destroy Russia. Today our people have proven that such scenarios are not going to work in our country.”

    Losers cried foul. Zyuganov called results illegitimate, saying “As a candidate, I cannot recognize the poll as honest or fair or decent.” Prokhorov said he’ll sue. Zhirinovsky also alleged irregularities. Mironov didn’t complain, but said Putin must deliver on campaign promises.

    On March 5, RT reported both Putin and opposition supporters will rally Monday, saying: “Tens of thousands of people from both camps are expected to gather in central Moscow on Monday. Moscow’s population has become visibly more politicized in the run-up to” Sunday’s election. Boris Nemtsov said he’ll participate. Dubbed “Mr. anti-corruption,” he’s no paragon of virtue. He’s been involved in various predatory/illegal schemes. He’s got ties to convicted oligarch Mikhail Knodorkovsky and self-exiled billionaire Boris Berezovsky in Britain to avoid prosecution. Opposition figures Garry Kasparov and blogger/lawyer Alexei Navalny may also attend. Navalny, in fact, showed up, wouldn’t leave with a few dozen others until their demands are met, and got arrested. Both have Western ties. Kasparov’s a board member of the neocon National Security Advisory Council of Center for Security Policy. It’s a “non-profit, non-partisan national security organization that specializes in identifying policies, actions, and resource needs that are vital to American security.”

    He’s also connected to Khodoroksky’s partner Leonid Nevzlin. He’s avoiding prosecution in Israel on murder-related charges. Navalny has NED ties. His LiveJournal blog admits receiving funding. They and others are well paid to oppose Putin and pro-Western policies. As a result, their fraud claims ring hollow.

    Major Media Scoundrels Bash Putin

    On March 4, New York Times writers Ellen Barry and Sophia Kishkovsky headlined, “Russian Turnout Includes Thousands of Eager Election Observers,” saying:
    “Evidence of brazen violations during parliamentary elections in December helped catalyze a series of unusual anti-government protests, and activists on Sunday circulated evidence – much of it by video clips – that they said established a comparable level of foul play in the presidential election.”

    Fact check

    Independent monitors called December parliamentary election open, free and fair. New York Times contributors turn a blind eye and deaf ear.
    CEC Chairman Vladimir Churov called alleged videos fakes. On site monitors contradict them. Ahead of voting, Putin accused opposition elements of preparing to discredit the process with false claims of ballot box stuffing.
    Russian investigators began checking video clips alleging electoral violations. One showed a voter claiming someone already cast a ballot with his name.
    Another involved three Ukrainian women posing as reporters. As they approached ballot boxes in one polling station, they stripped to the waist, revealing the slogan “I steal for Putin” on their chests.
    The Times also alleged “carousel voting.” The scheme involves voters using absentee ballots in multiple polling places. Video footage revealed none. Even Golos found nothing. It claimed "falsification technology" prevented uncovering it.

    Over 45 million Russians voted, around 5% by absentee ballot. Fair or fraudulent, they had no effect on results. Yet opposition figures claim it as their main argument.
    Even USAID consultant Glenn Cowan suggested fraud claims affecting results are baseless, saying anecdotal examples prove nothing. Yet other media scoundrels headline it, including the Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, London Guardian, London Independent, other major broadsheets, the BBC, and US broadcast and cable channels.

    A Final Comment

    Whatever irregularities occurred were minor. Polls showed Putin heavily favored to win. He did slightly better than expected.

    As a result, Washington, its rogue NATO partners, and complicit media scoundrels have Putin to kick around for the next six years. Expect them to take full advantage.

    Putin’s outspokenness won’t stop. He’ll continue saying “nobody can impose anything on us” and opposing Western efforts “to destroy Russia. Today our people have proven that such scenarios are not going to work in our country.”

    As president, his job is to assure they don’t. It’s also to serve all Russians responsibly. Hopefully, he’s up to the task"
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree View Post
    Pouting Gallic Poofter. Got a nice ring to it.
    no analysis ?

    oh wait, you are American
    DYK that there is a difference between American and Armenian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    An analysis of the recent Russian Presidential election.

    Putin Wins Overwhelmingly [Voltaire Fairy Story Network]
    Fixed that for you.

    Oh, and I love the last line:

    "As president, his job is to assure they don’t. It’s also to serve all Russians responsibly. Hopefully, he’s up to the task"

    That's odd, he seems to think his job is to milk as many billions of dollars of Russia's wealth out of the country via his henchmen as he can get away with.

    Responsible my arse, the man is a professional thief and a professional manipulator, but what do you expect from a senior KGB agent?


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