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    Australia slips behind Asian countries in schooling: report

    SYDNEY, Feb. 17 (Xinhua) -- Asia is the center of high performance in school education, with students in Shanghai outperforming their counterparts in Australia, the United States and Europe by up to three years in mathematics, said a report released on Friday by Australia's Grattan Institute.

    The Grattan report, Catching up: learning from the best school systems in East Asia, revealed that although Australia and many Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries had substantially increased school funding in recent years, the results were disappointing.

    The report said large increases in expenditure had occurred in Australia, yet student performance had fallen.

    "In Shanghai, the average 15-year-old mathematics student is performing at a level two to three years above his or her counterpart in Australia, the U.S.A. and Europe," said Ben Jensen, school education program director at the institute, in a statement.

    "The lesson from Asia is that the only way to improve students' learning is by improving teaching," he said.

    "Reforming teaching is about behavioral and cultural change, which means changing what teachers do, day in, day out, in every school."

    Based on a series of tests, the report said four of the world's five highest-performing school systems were in Hong Kong, Korea, Singapore and Shanghai.

    "These four systems focus on the things that are known to matter in the classroom, including a relentless, practical focus on learning and the creation of a strong culture of teacher education, research, collaboration, mentoring, feedback and sustained professional development," the report said.

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    I would hazard a guess that these average 15 year old Asian students have probably spend about twice the number of hours in classes that would be considered normal in western countries. They also seem to be highly focused on Math, Sciences and language/communications far more than their western counterparts, who have to deal with social studies, racism awareness training, and many other things that have nothing much to do with making money in the outside world. Finland seems to be one western country that tries to keep up.
    I blame the Americans......and Thaksin.

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    ^ I agree.

    A lot of these kids in Asian countries spend most of their childhood in school- they go to private tutoring sessions after regular school hours, they have classes on Saturdays, etc.- it's not surprising they're ahead of Western kids in that respect- their socialization will suffer, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    their socialization will suffer
    You mean their watching TV hours will decrease, the visits to the supermarket and mall will decrease, their flaunting themselves to each other will decrease and their fastbuck hours will decrease or is this not what your average Jack or Jill gets up to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    their socialization will suffer
    You mean their watching TV hours will decrease, the visits to the supermarket and mall will decrease, their flaunting themselves to each other will decrease and their fastbuck hours will decrease or is this not what your average Jack or Jill gets up to?
    Actually, the Asian kids still make plenty of time for their videos games and TV shows- they give up sleep to fit them in- what they really don't have is a life outside of school- all sports and other activities outside of the classroom are still run by the school, and it basically becomes a surrogate parent.

    I spent nearly a decade in Japan and I got a really good look at it- the kids were 'weird'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    their socialization will suffer
    You mean their watching TV hours will decrease, the visits to the supermarket and mall will decrease, their flaunting themselves to each other will decrease and their fastbuck hours will decrease or is this not what your average Jack or Jill gets up to?
    Actually, the Asian kids still make plenty of time for their videos games and TV shows- they give up sleep to fit them in- what they really don't have is a life outside of school- all sports and other activities outside of the classroom are still run by the school, and it basically becomes a surrogate parent.

    I spent nearly a decade in Japan and I got a really good look at it- the kids were 'weird'.
    Know what you mean. My next door neighbor in Canada had exchange students from both Japan and Korea stay with them. I had two kids in the same age group so they often socialized with the visiting students.

    The "visitors" were academic stars in many ways, but you could not help but notice their underdeveloped social and practical skills and awareness of things compared to my own kids and their friends. My kids could ride horses, snowmobiles, paddle a canoe, sail, fish and start a campfire in the pouring rain, and cook the fish on it.... The kids from Asia could barely strike a match let alone light a campfire.
    It probably all averages out over time....and the Asians learn to light fires by the time they are 40....

    They were all very good at video games....regardless of where they came from...and they all liked loud awful music.....

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    there was an excellent 4 corners program focusing on improvement in Australasian teaching and schools. remarkable improvement in standards by resourcing and improving teacher training

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
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    their socialization will suffer
    You mean their watching TV hours will decrease, the visits to the supermarket and mall will decrease, their flaunting themselves to each other will decrease and their fastbuck hours will decrease or is this not what your average Jack or Jill gets up to?
    Less the broad range of social networking available to these kids today.
    Probably find the average Asian youngster in front of their monitor.

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    Asians have been learning like this for decades. They excel at school level maths and science.

    Ask them to write an essay and it's over.

    How many Nobel laureates have they produced? How many cutting edge engineering companies do they have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pol the Pot View Post
    Asians have been learning like this for decades. They excel at school level maths and science.

    Ask them to write an essay and it's over.

    How many Nobel laureates have they produced? How many cutting edge engineering companies do they have?
    Though, if it weren't for Asian cultures there would be no Western civilisations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Know what you mean. My next door neighbor in Canada had exchange students from both Japan and Korea stay with them. I had two kids in the same age group so they often socialized with the visiting students.
    How long ago was this, 5, 10, 20 years ago? When his kids went back to Japan/Korea were they able to pick any Japanese/Korean lifestyle skills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Know what you mean. My next door neighbor in Canada had exchange students from both Japan and Korea stay with them. I had two kids in the same age group so they often socialized with the visiting students.
    How long ago was this, 5, 10, 20 years ago?
    About ten years ago....it was an annual event for many years. There was even a Japanese school near where I lived...for Japanese students to do English emersion courses. The students boarded with local families. Then the school closed---about ten years ago. I remembr many of them wanted to stay once they got used to the lifestyle, mountain air... and the big bathrooms....

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    I Have a high horse to climb onto. What is an education system tasked to do? Teach the basics? What are the basics.

    TO MEASURE an education system on a few standardized tests is bollocks. I could quote educational studies up the ting and yang. However in Canada Med students are now accepted on 2 equal weighted areas. Academic scores and Social emotional maturity. Number of Asian doctors has been halfed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble View Post
    I Have a high horse to climb onto. What is an education system tasked to do? Teach the basics? What are the basics.

    TO MEASURE an education system on a few standardized tests is bollocks. I could quote educational studies up the ting and yang. However in Canada Med students are now accepted on 2 equal weighted areas. Academic scores and Social emotional maturity. Number of Asian doctors has been halfed.

    Froiday having a well earned piss up!!!!!
    Indeed. My daughter's entrance into UBC (medical) was based on her academic record (including a BSc in Chemistry) but they also assessed such things as the amount of volunteer work she had done; what social activities she had participated in and all kinds of stuff that would not have been a factor in my time.

    I told her at the time I though it was bullshit.....but she disagreed even though her best friend did not get accepted because she was lacking in some non-academic areas...... Her friend did eventually get in the following year....

    I guess somebody has decided that well rounded human beings make better doctors than cold robotic academic whiz kids after all. I wonder what the overall long term outcome will be?

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