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    Uk 370,000 Migrants Claiming Dole

    More than 370,000 migrants who were admitted to Britain to work, study or go on holiday are now claiming out-of-work benefits, according to official figures compiled for the first time.

    The migrants, who can claim unemployment, housing and incapacity benefit, are costing taxpayers billions of pounds a year.

    In other countries, many would have had to return home after their visas expired or their employment ended.

    The figures are likely to reopen the debate over the generosity of the welfare system amid growing concerns that the country has become a destination for “benefit tourists”.

    In an article for today’s Daily Telegraph, Chris Grayling, the employment minister, and Damian Green, the immigration minister, say that the large number of migrants now claiming benefits has been increased by the “organisational chaos” of Britain’s immigration system.

    “It should never have been allowed to happen and Labour should be embarrassed by what it left behind,” they add.



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    “We’re determined to sort things out. Firstly by building an immigration system that is properly controlled and which people can have confidence in. And secondly by building a new generation of data systems that will ensure that no one can come to Britain and claim benefits to which they are not entitled.”

    In the past, the nationality of benefit claimants has not been recorded. Ministers ordered a comparison of records held by the UK Border Agency, Department for Work and Pensions and HM Revenue and Customs.

    The analysis found there were 371,000 foreign-born claimants for out-of-work benefits, out of a total 5.5 million recipients. Of these, 258,000 were from outside the European Economic Area.

    Officials used data from applications for National Insurance cards, which require people to declare whether they are foreign nationals. Just over half have subsequently become British citizens.

    People from outside the European Union can legally come to Britain to work, study or visit with a visa. If they stay for a certain period of time, marry or have children they can apply to remain permanently — after which they become eligible for state handouts. Asylum seekers can also be eligible for benefits.

    European nationals actively looking for work can claim unemployment benefit. However, those from some eastern European nations can only claim after 12 months on a registration scheme.

    In the majority of cases, ministers found that the migrants claiming benefits were eligible for the money. In a small sample group, details from a quarter of claimants could not be verified, while 2 per cent of them were suspected of making fraudulent claims.

    Mr Grayling and Mr Green write: “We’ll be investigating the records of all

    those people claiming benefits to make sure they are entitled to what they are receiving.

    “We’ve already identified some with serious question marks over both their right to benefits and their immigration status. Investigators are calling to see them.”

    It currently takes about three months to stop benefits in these cases and ministers are drawing up plans to allow the handouts to be stopped immediately.

    The analysis found that the highest number of migrants on benefits originally came from Pakistan, Somalia and India. Bangladesh, Iraq and Iran also featured prominently. European countries among the top 20 for claimants include Poland, Ireland, France and Italy.


    The figures will lead to a debate over whether people who had previously paid tax should be given priority for benefits.

    Mr Grayling and Mr Green write: “The integrity of our benefits system is crucial to the reputation of our welfare state — to whether taxpayers feel that they are getting a fair deal.

    “There’s a natural instinct that says that no one from other countries should receive benefits at all. But if someone works and pays taxes here, it’s not unreasonable that we should help out if they fall on hard times.”

    They add that the system has to be fair and stop people receiving money to which there are not entitled.

    The Department for Work and Pensions has not made any estimate as to the total cost of the benefits claimed by the immigrants. Nor does the research cover those receiving the state pension, child benefit or other handouts.

    Jobseekers’ Allowance is currently paid at up to £67.50 a week. Incapacity benefit is worth up to £94.25 a week. Housing benefits are typically more generous although the Government is planning to introduce a “benefit cap” to prevent any household from claiming a total of more than £26,000 annually.

    Mr Grayling also disclosed last year that the Government was poised to take legal action against the EU to stop more foreigners being able to claim benefits in this country under controversial “reciprocal arrangements”.

    David Cameron has pledged to bring non-EU immigration “under control” and a target to reduce those moving to Britain into the “tens of thousands” annually is one of his main policies.

    The Conservatives accuse Labour of having let immigration spiral out of control with hundreds of thousands of people, including many from eastern Europe, settling in this country.

    Apart from their impact on the welfare system, ministers are also concerned about the number of jobs being taken by immigrants.

    Other official figures show that up to 90 percent of new jobs created in Britain over the past decade have gone to foreign -born workers while levels of unemployment have risen.

    The Government believes that improving the education and training of Britons, particularly young people, is the key to ensuring that they can compete for jobs.





    By Robert Winnett, Political Editor, DAILY TELEGRAPH

    10:00PM GMT 19 Jan 2012

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    370,000 migrants on the dole

    More than 370,000 migrants who were admitted to Britain to work, study or go on holiday are now claiming out-of-work benefits, according to official figures compiled for the first time.

    Concerns are growing that the country has become a destination for 'benefit tourists' Photo: REX

    By Robert Winnett, Political Editor

    10:00PM GMT 19 Jan 2012

    The migrants, who can claim unemployment, housing and incapacity benefit, are costing taxpayers billions of pounds a year.

    In other countries, many would have had to return home after their visas expired or their employment ended.

    The figures are likely to reopen the debate over the generosity of the welfare system amid growing concerns that the country has become a destination for “benefit tourists”.

    In an article for today’s Daily Telegraph, Chris Grayling, the employment minister, and Damian Green, the immigration minister, say that the large number of migrants now claiming benefits has been increased by the “organisational chaos” of Britain’s immigration system.

    “It should never have been allowed to happen and Labour should be embarrassed by what it left behind,” they add.

    “We’re determined to sort things out. Firstly by building an immigration system that is properly controlled and which people can have confidence in. And secondly by building a new generation of data systems that will ensure that no one can come to Britain and claim benefits to which they are not entitled.”

    In the past, the nationality of benefit claimants has not been recorded. Ministers ordered a comparison of records held by the UK Border Agency, Department for Work and Pensions and HM Revenue and Customs.
    The analysis found there were 371,000 foreign-born claimants for out-of-work benefits, out of a total 5.5 million recipients. Of these, 258,000 were from outside the European Economic Area.
    Officials used data from applications for National Insurance cards, which require people to declare whether they are foreign nationals. Just over half have subsequently become British citizens.
    People from outside the European Union can legally come to Britain to work, study or visit with a visa. If they stay for a certain period of time, marry or have children they can apply to remain permanently — after which they become eligible for state handouts. Asylum seekers can also be eligible for benefits.
    European nationals actively looking for work can claim unemployment benefit. However, those from some eastern European nations can only claim after 12 months on a registration scheme.
    In the majority of cases, ministers found that the migrants claiming benefits were eligible for the money. In a small sample group, details from a quarter of claimants could not be verified, while 2 per cent of them were suspected of making fraudulent claims.
    Mr Grayling and Mr Green write: “We’ll be investigating the records of all
    those people claiming benefits to make sure they are entitled to what they are receiving.
    “We’ve already identified some with serious question marks over both their right to benefits and their immigration status. Investigators are calling to see them.”
    It currently takes about three months to stop benefits in these cases and ministers are drawing up plans to allow the handouts to be stopped immediately.
    The analysis found that the highest number of migrants on benefits originally came from Pakistan, Somalia and India. Bangladesh, Iraq and Iran also featured prominently. European countries among the top 20 for claimants include Poland, Ireland, France and Italy.
    The figures will lead to a debate over whether people who had previously paid tax should be given priority for benefits.
    Mr Grayling and Mr Green write: “The integrity of our benefits system is crucial to the reputation of our welfare state — to whether taxpayers feel that they are getting a fair deal.
    “There’s a natural instinct that says that no one from other countries should receive benefits at all. But if someone works and pays taxes here, it’s not unreasonable that we should help out if they fall on hard times.”
    They add that the system has to be fair and stop people receiving money to which there are not entitled.
    The Department for Work and Pensions has not made any estimate as to the total cost of the benefits claimed by the immigrants. Nor does the research cover those receiving the state pension, child benefit or other handouts.
    Jobseekers’ Allowance is currently paid at up to £67.50 a week. Incapacity benefit is worth up to £94.25 a week. Housing benefits are typically more generous although the Government is planning to introduce a “benefit cap” to prevent any household from claiming a total of more than £26,000 annually.
    Mr Grayling also disclosed last year that the Government was poised to take legal action against the EU to stop more foreigners being able to claim benefits in this country under controversial “reciprocal arrangements”.
    David Cameron has pledged to bring non-EU immigration “under control” and a target to reduce those moving to Britain into the “tens of thousands” annually is one of his main policies.
    The Conservatives accuse Labour of having let immigration spiral out of control with hundreds of thousands of people, including many from eastern Europe, settling in this country.
    Apart from their impact on the welfare system, ministers are also concerned about the number of jobs being taken by immigrants.
    Other official figures show that up to 90 percent of new jobs created in Britain over the past decade have gone to foreign -born workers while levels of unemployment have risen.
    The Government believes that improving the education and training of Britons, particularly young people, is the key to ensuring that they can compete for jobs.

    370,000 migrants on the dole - Telegraph

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    Ah well, never mind eh. The obvious solution is to crack down hard on Thai brides coming to the U.K. That'll put a very small dent in the statistics ....... or more likely not.

    The analysis found that the highest number of migrants on benefits originally came from Pakistan, Somalia and India. Bangladesh, Iraq and Iran also featured prominently.

    No flies on the mussies though. They know a good thing whyen they see it.

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    That's a hell of a lot of people exploiting a broken system, especially for a little flyspeck of a country. I would hate to see how many there are in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    That's a hell of a lot of people exploiting a broken system, especially for a little flyspeck of a country. I would hate to see how many there are in the US.
    Really. Just doing a bit of math we get :

    370,000 x
    67.50 ( maybe more )
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    24,975,000 pound stirling a week

    -----------

    Quiet a sum for a small island.


    “There’s a natural instinct that says that no one from other countries should receive benefits at all. But if someone works and pays taxes here, it’s not unreasonable that we should help out if they fall on hard times.”

    True

    If they only withdrew benefit from those who had not paid tax for a year, that would be a first step.

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    Your right there Bangyai mate the first thing my wife was told when she got her NI number and started work was she could pay tax etc but cannot claim .

    As an aside the papers yesterday were running stories about how the gov have got rid of thousands of UKBA staff and now places like where I live that have a huge coastline area and many little inlet ports have no border controls and this is where thousands more are now getting in illegally and will continue to do so
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    It's people claiming working-age benefits, not out-of-work benefits so that would include people on low wages (effectively a subsidy to business.) There are 5,500,000 million people claiming these benefits so it's only 7% of the total and over half of these people are now British citizens. The story isn't 'nasty darkies are stealing your money' - it's 'that's a fuck of a lot of poor people for a country as rich as Britain'.

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    I read somewhere that the goverment introduced a TOIC test where non EU members had to show by way of a English speaking test that they had a very good grasp of English to gain a settlement visa in the UK. The reason being, to put of countries like India, Thailand etc......Is this true?????

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    Yes, all of them Labour voters as well. That was the plan.

    Well done all you wankers that voted them in.

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