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    Iraq erupts in Violence now that the U.S. has left.

    It was inevitable that as soon as the suppressing influence of U.S. forces was removed civil war between the Shiites, and Sunniis would erupt.
    That supposedly intelligent people with years of experience in foreign affairs and policy couldn't see this from the beginning astounds me and again compounds my opinion that most Amercans, including those supposedly in power, are thick as bricks.
    Saddam was the only thing keeping this from happening before.
    he was the fire retarding blanket laid across the smouldering embers that is Iraqi society, removing him was an act of insanity.
    What will eventually come out of this is a radical islamic society to rival Iran.
    Mark my words.
    Dozens die as bombs explode across Baghdad

    Attacks ratchet up sectarian tensions at a time when many Iraqis were already worried about security


    BAGHDAD — A wave of bombings ripped across Baghdad on Thursday morning, killing at least 69 people and injuring almost 200 in the worst violence Iraq has seen for months. The apparently coordinated attacks left a bloodbath just days after American forces left the country The blasts also came on the heels of a political crisis between Iraq's Sunni and Shiite factions that erupted this weekend.
    The political spat has raised fears that Iraq's sectarian wounds will be reopened during a fragile time when Iraq is finally navigating its own political future without U.S. military support.
    The string of explosions will ratchet up tensions at a time when many Iraqis are already worried about security. If continued, it could lead to the same type of tit-for-tat attacks that characterized the insurgency years ago.
    Ex-Iraq leader says US left job undone At least 14 blasts went off in the morning and there were two more in the evening.
    The White House on Thursday said in response to the attacks, "At this difficult time, the United States stands with Iraq as a strategic partner and a close friend. Attempts such as this to derail Iraq's continued progress will fail."
    "We continue to urge leaders to come together to face common challenges," the White House said.



    The deadliest attack was in the Karrada neighborhood, where a suicide bomber driving an explosives-laden vehicle blew himself up outside the office of a government agency fighting corruption. Two police officers at the scene said the bomber was driving an ambulance and told guards that he needed to get to a nearby hospital. After the guards let him through, he drove to the building where he blew himself up, the officers said.
    Sirens wailed as ambulances rushed to the scene and a large plume of smoke rose over the area. The blast left a crater about five yards wide in front of the five-story building, which was singed and blackened.
    Video: Dozens killed as wave of bombings hit Baghdad (on this page) "I was sleeping in my bed when the explosion happened, said 12-year-old Hussain Abbas, who was standing nearby in his pajamas. "I jumped from my bed and rushed to my mom's lap. I told her I did not to go to school today. I'm terrified."
    At least 25 people were killed and 62 injured in that attack, officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.
    "We heard the sound of a car driving, then car brakes, then a huge explosion, all our windows and doors are blown out, black smoke filled our apartment," said Maysoun Kamal, who lives in a Karrada compound.
    Raghad Khalid, a teacher at a kindergarten near the Karrada blast, said "some parts of the car bomb are inside our building."
    "I saw all the windows were blown out and glass scattered everywhere. The children were scared and crying," Khalid added.
    Figures gathered from Iraqi health and police officials across the city put the death toll at 69, and 169 injured, including the two evening blasts in western Baghdad neighborhoods that killed nine people and injured 21.
    "The timing of these crimes and the places where they were carried out confirm... the political nature of the targets," Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said in a statement.
    Citing officials, The Associated Press said at least 65 people had been killed. Reuters, quoting security officials, said a total of 194 people were wounded.
    The explosions ranged from blasts from sticky bombs attached to cars to roadside bombs and vehicles packed with explosives. There was at least one suicide bombing among the attacks.
    Two roadside bombs struck the southwestern Amil district, killing at least seven people and wounding 21 others, while a car bomb blew up in a Shiite neighborhood in Doura in the south, killing three people and wounding six, police said.
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    "My baby was sleeping in her bed. Shards of glass have fallen on our heads. Her father hugged her and carried her. She is now scared in the next room," said one woman in western Baghdad who identified herself as Um Hanin. "All countries are stable. Why don't we have security and stability?"

    Hadi Mizban / AP Iraqi security forces inspect a crater caused by a car bomb attack in the neighborhood of Karrada in Baghdad, Iraq, on Thursday.

    More bombs ripped into the central Alawi area, Shaab and Shula in the north, all mainly Shiite areas, and a roadside bomb killed one and wounded five near the Sunni neighborhood of Adhamiya, police said.
    Violence in Iraq has ebbed since the height of sectarian violence in 2006-2007, when suicide bombers and hit squads targeted Sunni and Shiite communities in attacks that killed thousands of people.
    Stubborn insurgency
    Iraq is still fighting a stubborn, lower-grade insurgency with Sunni Islamists tied to al-Qaida and Shiite militias, who U.S. officials say are backed by Iran, still staging daily attacks.
    The last few thousand American troops pulled out of Iraq over the weekend, nearly nine years after the invasion that toppled Sunni dictator Saddam Hussein. Many Iraqis had said they feared a return to sectarian violence without a U.S. military buffer.
    Just days after the withdrawal, Iraq's fragile power-sharing government is grappling with its worst turmoil since its formation a year ago. Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish blocs share out government posts in a unwieldy system that has been impaired by political infighting since it began.
    Story: Iraq PM warns Sunnis could be shut from power
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45762201.../#.TvPd53Qtm9s
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    I just asked the Swiss embassy in Amman if it was OK now to go for a 2 weeks in Baghdad, answer is that it is still a very dangerous place not advised.
    The American move out gives a further very unclear situation and nobody knows what will go on now.
    But if i wish to still go they will provide me some security contacts number that would drive me from airport to wherever i need...

    The cost of such security is i guess well over 500 Usd per day.

    Planning going there on march, just following matters for the moment. March of what year is the question...

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    Quote Originally Posted by forreachingme View Post
    I just asked the Swiss embassy in Amman if it was OK now to go for a 2 weeks in Baghdad, answer is that it is still a very dangerous place not advised.
    The American move out gives a further very unclear situation and nobody knows what will go on now.
    But if i wish to still go they will provide me some security contacts number that would drive me from airport to wherever i need...

    The cost of such security is i guess well over 500 Usd per day.

    Planning going there on march, just following matters for the moment. March of what year is the question...
    Why would you be going to Baghdad at this most unstable of times?
    i predict it'll be all out civil war within a month.

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    I have a few mates out there in Basra. Just on Skype with one of them earlier, and it sounds like it's kicking off already..

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    [quote=Koojo;1969266]
    It was inevitable that as soon as the suppressing influence of U.S. forces was removed civil war between the Shiites, and Sunniis would erupt.
    This violence is just a last effort by the terrorists. It will snuff out.

    Saddam was the only thing keeping this from happening before.
    Saddam was the reason why the country never evolved politically.
    he was the fire retarding blanket laid across the smouldering embers that is Iraqi society, removing him was an act of insanity.
    That statement is insanity. What about when Saddam attacked Iran, Kuwait, Israel and Kurdistan ?
    What will eventually come out of this is a radical islamic society to rival Iran.
    Mark my words.
    Maybe they need a civil war to settle their differences. Civil wars dont go on for ever. Anything is better for the world then Saddam Hussain. A weak Iraqi govt wont pose a threat to Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forreachingme View Post
    I just asked the Swiss embassy in Amman if it was OK now to go for a 2 weeks in Baghdad, answer is that it is still a very dangerous place not advised.
    The American move out gives a further very unclear situation and nobody knows what will go on now.
    But if i wish to still go they will provide me some security contacts number that would drive me from airport to wherever i need...

    The cost of such security is i guess well over 500 Usd per day.

    Planning going there on march, just following matters for the moment. March of what year is the question...
    What do you do over there ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    I have a few mates out there in Basra. Just on Skype with one of them earlier, and it sounds like it's kicking off already..
    Um, no shit, did you read the OP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by forreachingme View Post
    I just asked the Swiss embassy in Amman if it was OK now to go for a 2 weeks in Baghdad, answer is that it is still a very dangerous place not advised.
    The American move out gives a further very unclear situation and nobody knows what will go on now.
    But if i wish to still go they will provide me some security contacts number that would drive me from airport to wherever i need...

    The cost of such security is i guess well over 500 Usd per day.

    Planning going there on march, just following matters for the moment. March of what year is the question...
    What do you do over there ?
    Minds his own business.

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    This is who we need back in control of one of the biggest oil reserves in the world...

    People sure have short memories. Fast forward to 2:50 and see what kind of shit this guy would actually do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kmart View Post
    I have a few mates out there in Basra. Just on Skype with one of them earlier, and it sounds like it's kicking off already..
    Um, no shit, did you read the OP?
    Yes mate. They were blowing up pipelines around O+G installations in Basra last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    It was inevitable that as soon as the suppressing influence of U.S. forces was removed civil war between the Shiites, and Sunniis would erupt.
    This violence is just a last effort by the terrorists. It will snuff out.
    it's not about terrorists, it's sectarian you utter fucking moron.

    Saddam was the only thing keeping this from happening before.
    Saddam was the reason why the country never evolved politically.
    evolved politically??? What middle eastern country has EVER 'evolved polically you complete fucking moron.
    he was the fire retarding blanket laid across the smouldering embers that is Iraqi society, removing him was an act of insanity.
    That statement is insanity. What about when Saddam attacked Iran, Kuwait, Israel and Kurdistan ?
    I'm talking about keeping the lid on radical Islam in Iraq. Not Saddams foreign adventures, you complete fucking moron.
    What will eventually come out of this is a radical islamic society to rival Iran.
    Mark my words.
    Maybe they need a civil war to settle their differences. Civil wars dont go on for ever. Anything is better for the world then Saddam Hussain. A weak Iraqi govt wont pose a threat to Israel.[/quote]
    What about a strong radical Islamic government? How would that work for Israel? (not that I give a fuck about Israel).
    You, my little friend, are a complete and utter moron.

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    This violence is just a last effort by the terrorists. It will snuff out.
    it's not about terrorists, it's sectarian you utter fucking moron.
    Saddam was the reason why the country never evolved politically.
    evolved politically??? What middle eastern country has EVER 'evolved polically you complete fucking moron.

    he was the fire retarding blanket laid across the smouldering embers that is Iraqi society, removing him was an act of insanity.
    That statement is insanity. What about when Saddam attacked Iran, Kuwait, Israel and Kurdistan ?
    I'm talking about keeping the lid on radical Islam in Iraq. Not Saddams foreign adventures, you complete fucking moron.

    What will eventually come out of this is a radical islamic society to rival Iran.
    Mark my words.
    Maybe they need a civil war to settle their differences. Civil wars dont go on for ever. Anything is better for the world then Saddam Hussain. A weak Iraqi govt wont pose a threat to Israel.
    What about a strong radical Islamic government? How would that work for Israel? (not that I give a fuck about Israel).
    You, my little friend, are a complete and utter moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    It was inevitable that as soon as the suppressing influence of U.S. forces was removed civil war between the Shiites, and Sunniis would erupt.
    That supposedly intelligent people with years of experience in foreign affairs and policy couldn't see this from the beginning astounds me and again compounds my opinion that most Amercans, including those supposedly in power, are thick as bricks.
    The alternative is, of course, that they knew full well what would happen, and just though "fuck it".

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal View Post
    This is who we need back in control of one of the biggest oil reserves in the world...
    But it's Iraqs oil, what is it to do with you how they handle it?

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    evolved politically??? What middle eastern country has EVER 'evolved polically you complete fucking moron.
    Maybe Israel....
    I'm talking about keeping the lid on radical Islam in Iraq.
    Who gives a fuck how many Iraqis kill each other. Its not a threat to world peace.
    Not Saddams foreign adventures, you complete fucking moron
    Well i am talking about Saddam foreign adventures fuck nuts.
    What about a strong radical Islamic government?
    The strong government (saddam) who did bomb Israel is gone. That is the way it WAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal View Post
    evolved politically??? What middle eastern country has EVER 'evolved polically you complete fucking moron.
    Maybe Israel....
    I'm talking about keeping the lid on radical Islam in Iraq.
    Who gives a fuck how many Iraqis kill each other. Its not a threat to world peace.
    Not Saddams foreign adventures, you complete fucking moron
    Well i am talking about Saddam foreign adventures fuck nuts.
    What about a strong radical Islamic government?
    The strong government (saddam) who did bomb Israel is gone. That is the way it WAS.
    Please go to the Canadian thread.
    Another stupid fucking Canadian.
    Do you SERIOUSLY think that an Arabic muslim country such as Iraq would ever 'evolve' poltically?
    Even with the yanks there trying to FORCE democracy on them it's not working.
    This is not an egalitarian, non sectarian society.
    I think you need to go to Dubai just to get a feel for the region.
    Try travel for reasons other than finally being able to get laid (opening your mind,)
    Do you think Saddams little foreign adventures were any threat to the U.S.?
    If Saddam bombed Israel why do you think that was?
    If you're under attack what do you do?
    Do you think a strong Islamic fundamentalist government in Iraq wouldn't be a threat to the U.S.?
    Don't talk about 'world' peace, the world will be fine. it's 'U.S. peace' that is under threat.

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    The americans, as usual, have ran away like cowards after destroying a country for no reason

    war criminals comes to mind,

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    Quote Originally Posted by forreachingme View Post
    The cost of such security is i guess well over 500 Usd per day.
    Pity the fool, I'd want that per hour in the current climate.

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    Just checked, salary for such a security guy over there by one of the 25 accredited firms such as Blackwater...

    500 Us to 1500 Us per day

    So hiring their service will be double or triple this, per security guy that comes in convoy !

    2 weeks at such rate is quite a sum !

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    will go for years. intra-islam hatred that is ancient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spudge View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    What middle eastern country has EVER 'evolved polically you complete fucking moron.
    Jordan has, Oman and Bahrain make positive noises about it.

    But most retards like socal don't believe in evolution anyway so for them it is an impossibility right out of the gate.
    You forgot Israel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by spudge View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    What middle eastern country has EVER 'evolved polically you complete fucking moron.
    Jordan has, Oman and Bahrain make positive noises about it.

    But most retards like socal don't believe in evolution anyway so for them it is an impossibility right out of the gate.
    You forgot Israel.

    Israels a foreign import, not native to the region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Even with the yanks there trying to FORCE democracy on them it's not working.
    Thank you for that belly laugh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo
    Even with the yanks there trying to FORCE democracy on them it's not working.
    Thank you for that belly laugh...
    Are you being facetious or would you like to elabrate?

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