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    ^He might not want to go to the UK, but if he's only got a Thai passport he'll struggle to go anywhere without a visa - if he gets a UK passport he can travel to most places very easily.

    For me, it's now just the wife that is holding back the family from a jet-set lifestyle, but I ain't willing to spend the three? years back home it would take to get her a passport.

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    Erm, Dog, wouldn't it have been easier to get married than doing all that???

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickA
    ^How do we do that???

    I apoologize if I'm asking stupid questions, but I have spent all of my life avoiding legalities and responsibilities - now I've gained some responsibilities, but I'm yet to catch up on the legalities part.

    I don't like lawyers or anyone who is likely to want paying either, which doesn't help!!!
    Mate, in my business no question is stupid enough.

    You basically have two problems here: (a) can a forienger bring up a Thai? (b) does the concept of parental rights exists? In the case of the second, yes. In the case of the first, this is ground to contest (if you wanted to).

    All of this is easily(-ish) fixed by having a will, in which your wife says "in the event of my death, Nick is legal guardian over my kids" (or words to that effect) and likewise for you. The you can also have a provision that says, in the event of both of our deaths, Nana Molly in Blackpool is legal guardian (again, not those exact words, but not far off it).

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    Wills

    I have an estate question that perhaps you guys can help us with...

    My stepchildren's mom is Thai and has continued to maintain her Thai citizenship, ID papers, etc. We all live in the U.S. and visit Thailand about 3-4 times a year (one big happy family -- it's weird). My husband while married to their mom never worried about the children having Thai citizenship. Now it is apparent that someone will need to have the Thai property (several houses in a fenced compound) at some point, but none of the children would be eligible to hold property because they have only U.S. citizenship.

    What would it entail to get Thai citizenship for half-Thai adult children who were born in the U.S.? Are we correct that there would be difficulties sorting out the Thai will if we don't have an eligible citizen to transfer the deeds to?

    The other option is that our daughter-in-law is Thai, but frankly I hold no high hopes for that marriage.

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    Asking the ol' lady she's got a few questions the kids live in the USA? Mom lives where? how old are the kids?
    They can become citizens, how to go about it would be better addressed with the above information.
    Oh yeah, where were they born?

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    Quote Originally Posted by friscofrankie
    Asking the ol' lady she's got a few questions the kids live in the USA? Mom lives where? how old are the kids?
    They can become citizens, how to go about it would be better addressed with the above information.
    Oh yeah, where were they born?
    Thanks for the help! Yes, the kids live in the US, mom lives in the US most of the year, kids are adults 25 and 28 years old, and they were born in the US. Their mom was a Thai citizen with US "green card" at the time they were born. The land was mom's inheritance from her father, with the houses, garage built during visits over the past 10 years.

    If the Thai property can't be titled in their name, it will revert to Ko's siblings -- NOT what anyone wants.

    I suspect it's one of the those "get-ready-to-take-forever-to-push-this-through" experiences with bureaucracy, but could be done -- correct? Should we look for a Thai lawyer on this one?

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    Translate their Birth certificates into Thai, take both copies (english & thai) to he Embassy. Mom should need to go with them, although they are of age, the embassy will want to interview mom, the kids maybe even dad.
    Are the kids bilingual? if they don;t speak Thia things are gonna get tougher. Taking 25 years to get their births registered as Thai citizens is gonna slow down the process to a crawl. Are they male? They have avoided Thai military requirements then haven't they?
    The Ol' lady works in the passport office. She deals with this kind of thing on a daily basis, usually unregistered births, folks born in Thailand. This one has got her stern, govt official face on her Boy would you get a lecture if you showed up at her office .

    BUT, try to get this done at the embassy. This will be much simpler. She says, "OO, YAAAK MAAAK' if you try it over here.
    Getting legal help may be difficult in the states though, I know.
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    ^I don't think they could get Thai citizenship now, could they???

    As far as I know the Thais make someone choose theie nationality when they are 21, so for them to get thai citizenship now would mean renouncing their American citizenship!?!??

    Of course, if you do both before you are 21 then there is no way of them knowing if you still have the other.

    I would say it is impossible, but then again over here you CAN get a square block through a round hole, as long as you use a lot of oil!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by William
    All of this is easily(-ish) fixed by having a will, in which your wife says "in the event of my death, Nick is legal guardian over my kids" (or words to that effect) and likewise for you. The you can also have a provision that says, in the event of both of our deaths, Nana Molly in Blackpool is legal guardian (again, not those exact words, but not far off it).
    OK, that's what I thought you were saying - I'm just suprised that something like that needs to be done if we're married, but then again, I probably shouldn't be!!!

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    ^strangley, even if you live in the UK, you should be doing the same thing (as a matter of good practice).

    Also, Thais can and do have dual nationality. You are right, in that when they apply for a passport there is a box which says something line "do you have ay other nationality?" - tick here. Guess how many people tick

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    ^I agree that Thais can have dual nationality, what I'm saying is that they would have to have got the Thai nationality before they were 21, or at least it would have made it much easier, but I might be wrong!

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    hmmm - good point batman

    Isn't DJ Pat apply for his Thai nationality/ID Card? Might be worth asking him

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    Thanks William.

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    Will

    I'm interested in having an attorney in the Pattaya area prepare a "WILL" for my dual nationality spouse (Thai and American) so that if by chance I survive her, that I am the sole beneficiary of the land and house that is in her name but in reality was financed.

    Might someone be able to direct me to a short list of reputable attorneys with reasonable rates who is resident in the Pattaya area and would be capable of preparing such a will in Thai but with a translated version as well as providing the process for proper and official filing of the "WILL" in Thailand? Thanks in advance.

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    So a will must be made according to the law of the country of residence?

    So what happens if I pop my clogs whilst on a visa run to Laos, or on holiday in China, or on a plane over the Atlantic?

    I need to sort out a will that will be valid wherever I die - is there an example will or template I can use as a guideline because it's something I don't want to dwell on.
    "I'm an outsider by choice, but not truly. It's the unpleasantness of the system that keeps me out. I'd rather be in, in a good system. That's where my discontent comes from: being forced to choose to stay outside.
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    ^ and the country of residence of the money itself! ie which bank is it parked in?

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    and "residence" doesn't need to mean where you are physically located. For example, on a visa run to Loa you are not a resident of Loa

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    I have been looking for a will template as a guideline to write my will here and now, print it out then get it signed by two witnesses that are not benny fisheries*.

    Unfortunately, Google has many that claim to be free downloads but in fact they are all peppered with 'Add to cart' and '$29.99' and all that bullshit.

    Can anyone assist?

    * Spellcheck.

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    "In the event of my death, I leave it all to Sandra.

    The Gentlemen Scamp"


    Print and sign at your convenience.


    And here you go, u must be able to find something here.

    last will and testament free templates - Google Search

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    Thanks Maddie but Jesus foking Christ, I downloaded it and all it is is pages and pages of Jargon from AXA Equity and Life trying to part elderny Brits with their money.

    Is there an example will I can just edit to my own erm.. bits.

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    How about this?

    epoq : wills service

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    Have a green and 10% of my estate.

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    Google is your friend Scamp.

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    I The Gentleman Scamp hereby state that when I die I want the following people contacted and the following people taken care of.

    Sandra

    My friend Val in Scotland

    My brother Nigel if he needs it, (can't make much being a foking priest in HK with three kids).

    I want my body cremated and scattered in a politicians face.

    If this isn't formal enough and doesn't have the correct poncy jargon then stick it up your arse.


    Signed, blood dropped and witnessed by two close friends.

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    bkkmadness can have my kettle.

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    My brother Nigel if he needs it, (being a foking priest in HK with three kids).
    3 kids is enough to last a foking priest for a while isn't it?

    And why I have got stiffed on the deal? One minute it's 10% of the English estate, and now a poxy kettle, and god knows what's been in there.

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