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RDN · 04-01-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

hold on there bub.......in post 28 i dared criticize fox news viewers, so my guess is that i hurt RDN's delicate sensibilites and he's referring to me.

Sorry - not referring to you. My sensibilities (with 4 i's) intact. Spelling too.

stroller · 04-01-2007, 10:04 AM

My post #27:

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Neither Chomsky nor Michael Moore are marxists. You need to do your homework before you make accusations, or you will continue to make a fool of yourself again and again.

Where is the insult?

farmerfloyd · 04-01-2007, 10:12 AM

Did I not just read that Fox has taken over NO. 1 in USA for news, with all the leftes on most all other news.. Funny . But they have not had to recant and apologize like CNN, and fire several reporters along with New York Times. ( very slanted)

Mr Earl · 04-01-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stroller

M.M. is close to the Democrats, Chomsky a Libertarian Socialist, little similarities to Marxism, if any.

Get your terms right, if you must use any, or don't be surprised when your simplistic focks-news rhetoric gets ridiculed, Earl.

From the little bit of ponderous rhetoric I've read by Chomsky he indeed supports state run industry and social welfare. Although he meanders around significantly in his observations to make it difficult to really pin him down as a communist but in effect that is the system he embraces by harping on all the inadequacies of the system of free enterprise governed by a democratic republic.
Chomsky harps about how the US embargo is responsible for the crumbled economy of Cuba. But he fails to note that it was Castro and company who went about seizing private companies and assets which lead the the embargo in the first place.
The genius of Chomsky and MM is how they masterfully disguise their fundamental marxist beliefs so that the average liberal ape can swallow it not really understanding what it really means.

stroller · 04-01-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

From the little bit of ponderous rhetoric I've read by Chomsky he indeed supports state run industry and social welfare.

That is not Marxism. It's proposed by various brands of socialism, including some of the moderate ones.
I don't think neither Chomsky nor Moore are trying to 'disguise' what they think, both are pretty outspoken.

I also don't think they are comparable, neither in direction, nor the calibre of their thinking.

It does appear to be you who doesn't really understand, not the "average liberal ape".

I suspect you might be a 'victim' of media bias on part of wherever you get your ideas about Chomsky and MM from.

Butterfly · 04-01-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

he indeed supports state run industry and social welfare.

It's called evolution and it will be the only future we have when Capitalism falls miserably in a decade or two.

Mr Earl · 04-01-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

he indeed supports state run industry and social welfare.

It's called evolution and it will be the only future we have when Capitalism falls miserably in a decade or two.

Marxism in nut shell:

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The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society.

I may be wrong but this "evolution" of Chomsky seems very similar to Marx and Engels "inevitable development".
To me if it walks like a duck...well you know it very is likely to be a duck.
Chomsky sounds a lot like Marx and Engels.

I've read one of MMs books as well and the Marxist shoe fit him as well though he come off as more of a joke in his movies like Roger and me and books like "dude where's my country". He is clearly anti american, anti free enterprise and anti democratic republic. Sounds like Marx and Engels to me.

stroller · 04-01-2007, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

I may be wrong but this "evolution" of Chomsky seems very similar to Marx and Engels "inevitable development".

I'd say you are, according to Marx and Engels, this inevitable 'development' was to happen in form of a revolution let by the communist avantgarde, and lead to the dictatorship of the proletariat (they called this interim stage 'socialism'). - that's also in a nutshell.

It should be clear now, that this is different from both Chomsky and Moore. As I mentioned, there are numerous other, non-Marxist brands of Socialism, ranging from the co-operative movement which originated in Britain in the 19th century, to the modern regulated capitalist welfare state which has been popular in Europe.

Chomsky is more of a radical, "Libertarian Socialist" is an apt term for what he stands for - it's closer to anarchism than Marxism.
Moore I don't really know what to call him, I haven't taken enough interest, he's overrated IMO.

I hope this has shed some light, however off-topic for this thread.

Mr Earl · 04-01-2007, 08:11 PM

^Moore when confronted with his distortions and lies claims to be a comedian. And indeed he is a joke.

Chomsky is clearly an "evolution" of Marx and Engels.( the grand daddies of communism)
This so called "evolution" is indeed a "revolution" of the same communist vein. Chomsky is a clever intellectual who dresses it up differently. But underneath it's the same tired old horse from what I've read and heard from him.

Mr Earl · 04-01-2007, 08:18 PM

^A true anarchist doesn't advocate any state rule or ownership. That's why I think Chomsky is communist.

I'll continue to read some of his stuff, but I have yet to be convinced.

AntRobertson · 04-01-2007, 08:44 PM

Bias in Media Shock, Outrage Ensues.

How's that for breaking news then? Funny thing about these 'media bias' studies, the results tend to be indicative of and converse to the political leanings of the author or institution conducting them.

Of course I say that without any shread of evidence other than my own empirical experiences but that's because I'm, ummm... biased?

texpatriate · 12-01-2007, 11:08 AM

Actors and journalists tend to be liberals, that's a fact!

-texpatriate

stroller · 12-01-2007, 11:36 AM

^
Which doesn't mean this will necessary influence their acting or writing.

Milkman · 12-01-2007, 11:36 AM

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Actors and journalists tend to be liberals, that's a fact!

Statistically, most are.

And the Liberals are a part of the establishment: they support large corporations, the military-industrial complex, interventionist foreign policy, just like those on the right.

Liberals and Conservative are: Neo-Liberals.

One in the same.

raycarey · 12-01-2007, 05:15 PM

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In comments overheard on an open microphone between morning television interviews, including one with Fox, the top U.S. diplomat said: "My Fox guys, I love every single one of them."

Rice 'loves' Fox News; CBS anchor 'decent guy' - CNN.com

GooMaiRoo · 14-01-2007, 02:10 PM

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And the Liberals are a part of the establishment: they support large corporations, the military-industrial complex, interventionist foreign policy, just like those on the right.Liberals and Conservative are: Neo-Liberals.One in the same.

Good point, but I would also add "neo-conservatives" to the terminology, the ex-conservatives who have shed their traditional principles (limited government, balanced budgets, etc...) and put Woodrow Wilson to shame in their zeal to "democratize" the planet. That whole "conservative-liberal" dichotomy is a creation of the U.S. media to improve ratings for brainless talk shows.

raycarey · 14-01-2007, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by floorpotato

I would also add "neo-conservatives" to the terminology, the ex-conservatives who have shed their traditional principles

the same could be said about many liberals who became late 20th century democrats.

raycarey · 18-01-2007, 10:14 PM

star news (ok not the US media) had a newsbrief just before 19:00 in which the four stories consisted of...

1. a 'terrorist' leader is located in pakistan----and this is known because a captured 'terrorist' said so...on tape no less.
2. a couple of 'terrorists' were killed in the phillipines.
3. something about the historical 'hero' edmund hilary
4. and finally a story about how the caring govt. saved a bird.

and then it was repeated (verbatim!) an hour later.

and then on CNBC at about 21:00 they reported that the navy is denying that one of their ships was attacked. NBC isn't reporting that it happened, they're just reporting that the navy is denying it happened.

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“Remember our boys on the Malabar front! And the sailors in the Floating Fortresses! Just think what they have to put up with.”

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Originally Posted by texpatriate

Actors and journalists tend to be liberals, that's a fact! -texpatriate

really? what's your source on actors and their political ideology? or did you hear somebody mention it at the coffee shop?

raycarey · 20-01-2007, 11:05 AM

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PARKERSBURG, W.Va. — Former POW Jessica Lynch became a mother on Friday, giving birth to a girl whom she named in honor of a fallen comrade.Dakota Ann Robinson was delivered by Caesarean section at a local hospital at 5:10 p.m. The infant weighed 7 pounds, 10 ounces, said Lynch's publicist, Aly Goodwin Gregg.
"She's fabulous and fat," Gregg said. "She's beautiful."
Lynch and her boyfriend, Wes Robinson, named Dakota in honor of Lynch's friend, Army Spc. Lori Piestewa of Tuba City, Ariz., who was the first woman to be killed in combat in Iraq. Piestewa's middle name was Ann, and Dakota which means friendship or ally, Gregg said.
Lynch and Piestewa served together in the 507th Maintenance Company from Fort Bliss, Texas. They were roommates there and tentmates in Iraq. Piestewa died and Lynch was captured when their unit was ambushed on March 23, 2003, near Nasiriyah.
'Absolutely beautiful'
Lynch suffered two spinal fractures, nerve damage and a shattered right arm, right foot and left leg when her Humvee crashed during the firefight.
The story of her capture and dramatic nighttime rescue made her an instant celebrity. The 23-year-old Palestine native is now a sophomore at West Virginia University-Parkersburg. Gregg said she probably will take a semester off or take online courses.
While Lynch still has health problems, Gregg said she came through the C-section "like a champ."
"Jessie's doing great, the baby did great," she said. "She's easy to love, absolutely beautiful."

Ex-POW Jessica Lynch has 7-lb. baby girl - U.S. Life - MSNBC.com

so much for the 'liberal media'.

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Some time after Lynch's rescue, several sources alleged the story of Lynch's rescue was distorted and exaggerated by the United States government in an effort to undercut public resistance to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Iraqi doctors at the hospital in question claimed Lynch was well cared for by hospital personnel and virtually unguarded at the time that she was rescued by American forces; rather, Lynch's "rescue" was a publicity stunt that was staged, and the subsequent news reports were carefully controlled propaganda, drawing on the captivity narrative genre.[citation needed] Though Pentagon statements claimed that Lynch emptied her rifle fighting off her attackers, later reports and Lynch herself indicated that this was not the case; in fact her rifle jammed on the first round and she did not offer any resistance to her capture. The story is now believed to have stemmed from the mistranslation of an intercepted Iraqi message which referred to one of her male fellow soldiers.
Amended reports by The Washington Post, which initially reported dramatic stories of Lynch's ordeal, indicated that U.S. officials made no attempt to downplay exaggerated or incorrect reports in the media. The dramatic rescue, with heavy force ready for an unknown situation, was videotaped at the request of military public affairs, who knew this would be a popular story. Iraqi doctors caring for Lynch told reporters that they gave Lynch the best care possible while she was kept at the hospital, and that they often bought juice that she asked for using their own money. They also said that they were not only frightened by the dramatic way US forces held them at gunpoint during the rescue, but that the forces also slashed the special sand bed that Lynch was given, the only such bed in the hospital (designed to prevent bed sores for patients suffering from serious burns) before sweeping out again. During the "raid", twelve doors were also kicked in and damaged, and a sterilized operating theatre was contaminated. No reports that the Iraqi hospital would be compensated for the damage were ever published. Doctors also claimed that Iraqi soldiers had left the hospital the morning before the rescue.[2]

Jessica Lynch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

raycarey · 29-01-2007, 12:01 AM

i spent the weekend in the south, and had the perverse pleasure of watching foxnews on the hotel's cable system.

a couple of times per hour the following would appear on the screen.....

"america has problems"

which was immediately followed by...

"but america is not the problem."

04-01-2007, 10:12 AM	#43 (permalink)
farmerfloyd Koh Samui Last Online: 04-11-2009 07:29 PM Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Brooksville Florida Posts: 52	Fox News Did I not just read that Fox has taken over NO. 1 in USA for news, with all the leftes on most all other news.. Funny . But they have not had to recant and apologize like CNN, and fire several reporters along with New York Times. ( very slanted)

04-01-2007, 08:11 PM	#49 (permalink)
Mr Earl Infidel Last Online: Yesterday 11:39 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Over the edge Posts: 5,471	^Moore when confronted with his distortions and lies claims to be a comedian. And indeed he is a joke. Chomsky is clearly an "evolution" of Marx and Engels.( the grand daddies of communism) This so called "evolution" is indeed a "revolution" of the same communist vein. Chomsky is a clever intellectual who dresses it up differently. But underneath it's the same tired old horse from what I've read and heard from him. Last edited by Mr Earl : 04-01-2007 at 08:14 PM.

04-01-2007, 08:18 PM	#50 (permalink)
Mr Earl Infidel Last Online: Yesterday 11:39 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Over the edge Posts: 5,471	^A true anarchist doesn't advocate any state rule or ownership. That's why I think Chomsky is communist. I'll continue to read some of his stuff, but I have yet to be convinced. Last edited by Mr Earl : 04-01-2007 at 08:20 PM.

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04-01-2007, 08:44 PM	#51 (permalink)
AntRobertson Ich Bin Ein Auslander Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,587	Bias in Media Shock, Outrage Ensues. How's that for breaking news then? Funny thing about these 'media bias' studies, the results tend to be indicative of and converse to the political leanings of the author or institution conducting them. Of course I say that without any shread of evidence other than my own empirical experiences but that's because I'm, ummm... biased?

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texpatriate Krabi Last Online: 20-08-2009 08:50 PM Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 63	Actors and journalists tend to be liberals, that's a fact! -texpatriate

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stroller Kraut Last Online: 09-09-2009 07:24 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,185	^ Which doesn't mean this will necessary influence their acting or writing.

29-01-2007, 12:01 AM	#60 (permalink)
raycarey ........ Last Online: Yesterday 09:58 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 6,648	i spent the weekend in the south, and had the perverse pleasure of watching foxnews on the hotel's cable system. a couple of times per hour the following would appear on the screen..... "america has problems" which was immediately followed by... "but america is not the problem."

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