President Obama News Thread

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by Norton

No question he must be a lying bastard. Motive must he wants facebook people to believe he is older than he is. Then again those pesky number keys are pretty close to each other. Maybe it's a typo? Naw, the birth certificate is a lie.

being a bit obtuse here Norton and argumentative out of your character.....So after all this time MySpace is not editable and my "52" is nothing like "48" on my key board I don't know about yours but more likely he was drinking too many tall boys to get that one wrong..

Originally Posted by Norton

As well you should but you likely have more time on your hands than Obama has to worry about what your facebook age is.

Especially if it conveniently serves his purposes for dodging the real issue doesn't it.. As a citizen I beg to differ, it is REAL important...And I don't care who was in office either and that is the point, I am consistent on whom ever was the president. As noted though if his disqualification means getting Biden as president (and it does) my preference would most definitely be the former but it's a REAL issue none the less..

Originally Posted by Norton

Of course you would have to explain why you changed the initial lie with a new one to those who just won't accept a birth certificate.

If one was really so pissed or whatever to have actually posted his wrong birth information, I mean I have only had to post mine correctly since I was about 3 or 4 (my teachers saw to that) on every form I have ever filled out and to my knowledge since that time NEVER made such an egregious error since the time of my first learning it..

This is also the problem, it's not a 'birth certificate'..
How do you think such an inconsistency would be viewed by any government office you applied to for say a postal job for example? Rhetorical question as the answer is immediate disqualification or release from your job, but not if you run for president I guess though..

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by sabang

No intelligent counter arguments why someones age might be entered incorrectly on a My Space page?

Lemme think about that.

Ok, it's because he was actually born in Kenya, smuggled into the US by his Mother, clever Conspiracists utilising Time machines travelled back and put two fraudulent Birth notices in 1961 Honolulu Newspapaers (cleverly putting them in the Hospitals announcement of Births for added believability), and hacked the Hawaiian Registry computer to enter a false birth. There, that solves it.

Birthers. Just plain Nuts.

Ok, ok, of course I get it now, you're all taking the piss as no one with an ounce of education could possibly be this mindless and obtuse... good one guys!! jokes on me!!

[slackula]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

jokes on me!!

If all you are bringing to the discussion is stuff from a MySpace page and proven forgeries then yeah, actually it probably is.

As was said upthread, do you seriously think that Hillary and McCain's camps wouldn't have turned up something if this was a genuine issue?

It is noise and a pointless distraction masquerading as an issue due to the lack of *actual* policy from the right at the moment.

Edit: spelling

[sabang]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

to have actually posted his wrong birth information

So the POTUs does his own My Space pages as well. Well that should save money on Secretaries.

[Norton]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

being a bit obtuse here Norton and argumentative out of your character.....

Obtuse and argumentative would be absolute refusal to accept the answer no matter evidence to the contrary.

Obama has produced more than enough evidence of his citizenship to satisfy the issue. If there was any doubt, the GOP would be on this like flies on buffalo dung.

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

no intelligible counter arguments or is that necessary in issues any more?

If and when there is evidence to the contrary other than a facebook site, let me know and I will be happy to "debate" the issue.

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by Norton

Obtuse and argumentative would be absolute refusal to accept the answer no matter evidence to the contrary.

What information? No one has provided any such counter evidence or explanation as to why his age keeps changing and he refuses to show evidence of a REAL birth certificate..locate those simple irrefutable facts and I'll accept it..Unlike those here who have dismissed the irrefutable facts presented to them to the contrary and still dispute and dismiss them...

Originally Posted by Norton

If and when there is evidence to the contrary other than a facebook site, let me know and I will be happy to "debate" the issue.

easy way out...

[sabang]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

he refuses to show evidence of a REAL birth certificate..

How can he? Hawaii does not issue replacement BC's anymore, hasn't since records were computerised. It's a non-argument- the replacement BC is a
'Certificate of Live Birth'.

[AntRobertson]

Originally Posted by Humbert

There is no amount of persuasion or reason that will penetrate the skulls of these loonies. You might as well be arguing with furniture.

Humbert's right. There's no convincing guys like DF, not because of a lack of objective facts and evidence but because he wants to believe it's true so nothing, no matter how verifiably true, will dissaude him from thinking otherwise.

Close-minded to the nth degree,

[robuzo]

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Humbert's right. There's no convincing guys like DF, not because of a lack of objective facts and evidence but because he wants to believe it's true so nothing, no matter how verifiably true, will dissaude him from thinking otherwise.

Close-minded to the nth degree,

The act of believing implies desire- that is clear even in the etymology of the word itself. If you don't remain skeptical you run the risk of becoming a true believer, which leads to the worst excesses of groupthink even when the original intentions were good.

Of course, in the case of the birthers, the original intentions clearly aren't good. The problem is, once a person gets to the point of staking his reputation on something that ridiculous being true (and you can almost pick and choose among any of the current conspiracy theories for examples of this), admitting that it wasn't is just too painful. When the position is as extreme as that of the birthers or the "Obama is a crypto-muslim" crowd, they are staking out a position that can allow no compromise. As one pundit put it, it is like trying to strike a deal over dinner with your girlfriend when you want French and she wants rusty nuts and bolts simmered in used motor oil.

[Muadib]

hehehe... I just love poking the natives with a stick and watching them turn on each other...

[robuzo]

Originally Posted by Muadib

hehehe... I just love poking the natives with a stick and watching them turn on each other...

Even apart from the utter lack of evidence of internecine warfare, your metaphor makes no sense.

[Muadib]

What metaphor...

Thank for the new word anyway...

Internecine

• Main Entry: in·ter·ne·cine
• Pronunciation: \ˌin-tər-ˈne-ˌsēn, -ˈnē-sən, -ˈnē-ˌsīn, -nə-ˈsēn; in-ˈtər-nə-ˌsēn\
• Function: adjective
• Etymology: Latin internecinus, from internecare to destroy, kill, from inter- + necare to kill, from nec-, nex violent death — more at noxious
• Date: 1663

1 : marked by slaughter : deadly; especially : mutually destructive
2 : of, relating to, or involving conflict within a group <bitter internecine feuds>

[robuzo]

Originally Posted by Muadib

What metaphor...

Thank for the new word anyway...

Internecine

• Main Entry: in·ter·ne·cine
• Pronunciation: \ˌin-tər-ˈne-ˌsēn, -ˈnē-sən, -ˈnē-ˌsīn, -nə-ˈsēn; in-ˈtər-nə-ˌsēn\
• Function: adjective
• Etymology: Latin internecinus, from internecare to destroy, kill, from inter- + necare to kill, from nec-, nex violent death — more at noxious
• Date: 1663

1 : marked by slaughter : deadly; especially : mutually destructive
2 : of, relating to, or involving conflict within a group <bitter internecine feuds>

Now, if you said you like to poke the hornets' nest with a stick and watch them go crazy, that would be different.

[Humbert]

Originally Posted by robuzo

The act of believing implies desire- that is clear even in the etymology of the word itself

Putting the eytomology of the word aside for a moment I would have thought that belief is surrender and therefore the end of desire.

[Jet Gorgon]

It would be a diff story if this was a Republican. Convenient that everyone in his family has already died. Still, his mom was American, so if he is registered as such, no big deal. I don't really care about the disparity in ages, but, it looks a bit sloppy to say the least that his team can't jive his "real" age with his myspace page age. But, that's the style of his governing to date, so I don't expect much more.

Originally Posted by slackula

I'm going to use mine to apply for a US passport. Well, I will once I update it to change my age from 14 to 18..

A teenybopper comes of age.

[panama hat]

Originally Posted by robuzo

Now, if you said you like to poke the hornets' nest with a stick and watch them go crazy, that would be different.

No, that would be a downright silly thing to do

Originally Posted by Humbert

Putting the eytomology of the word aside for a moment I would have thought that belief is surrender and therefore the end of desire.

Why are we talking about insects? This is serious stuff.


Ah, birthers . . . and the rest of the whackjob 'believers' . . . it is much easier to sit on the sidelines throwing mud (casting outlandish dispersions) and repeating them ad nauseum than trying to defend yourself against these tirades time and again.

The little respect I had for the conservative arm of US politics has disappeared as fast as Palin's credibility

[robuzo]

Originally Posted by panama hat

No, that would be a downright silly thing to do

Why are we talking about insects? This is serious stuff.


Ah, birthers . . . and the rest of the whackjob 'believers' . . . it is much easier to sit on the sidelines throwing mud (casting outlandish dispersions) and repeating them ad nauseum than trying to defend yourself against these tirades time and again.

The little respect I had for the conservative arm of US politics has disappeared as fast as Palin's credibility

Right, but stirring up a hornet's at least works as metaphor, even if it is a cliche.

Not all conservatives are crazy:
The GOP's Misplaced Rage - The Daily Beast

[Norton]

Originally Posted by panama hat

The little respect I had for the conservative arm of US politics has disappeared as fast as Palin's credibility

Please don't group us conservatives into some of the lumps who claim to be.

[sabang]

^^ A very good article rob- thanks. And from one of the original supply side economists, no less.

[Texpat]

Currently, the biggest boost to the GOP is...

yeah, don't make me say it.

Barry.

I don't like partisan politics and wish they'd get over the petty bitchfights. But alas, it seems, even in quasi-democratic shitholes like Thailand and Honduras and even in the absolute cesspools like the UK, it's all crap.