President Obama News Thread

[Humbert]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Then go somewhere else and make your claims in issues you need to have more than just personal insults this isn't MKP..

I think you birthers should start a whole new thread in MKP. I am simply pleading with people not to waste their time refutting these claims ad nauseum. Sabang and others have provided ample evidence refuting these ridiculous allegations. If you want to keep plowing the same ground, I agree with you, do it in MKP. I do apologize if my remarks stung you. I don't mean to single you out. I just find the whole thing so ridiculous.

[slackula]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

His own facebook page says

I don't think I would trust facebook or myspace over a document certified by the Hawaiian authorities, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

All this birther/death panel/nazism/socialism noise is nothing more than an attempt to derail Obama's agenda without having to go to the trouble of actually offering alternatives that the voting public likes better.

Every political party attracts a segment of whackaloons, but right now the GOP seems to be celebrating and elevating the "way out there" brigade, rather than just tolerating them for the few extra votes they might bring in.

WTF happened to sane, rational, small govt, small spending, moderate Conservatives in the US? All we hear from are Michelle Bachmanns and Sarah Palins and Mike Huckaballoons (but at least he seems genuine), where is Olympia Snowe etc?

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by sabang

No to mention, two seperate Honolulu newspapers carried the announcement of Obamas birth in 1961, a few days after his birth. Quote:

so tell me how does being born in '61' make him 52 like it states on this page..

MySpace - Barack Obama - 52 - Male - Washington, Washington DC - myspace.com/barackobama

Barack Obama

Male
52 years old
Washington, Washington DC
United States



Last Login: 8/19/2009
Mood: hopeful View My:

MySpace URL:

MySpace - Barack Obama - 52 - Male - Washington, Washington DC - myspace.com/barackobama

[Humbert]

Your new argument that Obama was born in 1957 and therefore does not qualify to be president because Hawaii was not yet a state does not hold water. The only requirement is that he or she is the offspring of a U.S. citizen no matter where he or she is born. A person is considered a natural born U.S. citizen if they are the son or daughter of a U.S. citizen.
Maybe you can verify that the My Space page you allude to is valid. I found two pages and they do not agree on age. Maybe yours is a fake?

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by slackula

I don't think I would trust facebook or myspace over a document certified by the Hawaiian authorities, but hey, whatever floats your boat.

It's HIS fecking MySpace page (correction, not face book as previously stated) why not believe it??? Every one believed all of his other claims and worldy promises!!!! If it's false and inaccurate why is still available and not being removed!! FFS is the sky green too?? So now even a supposedly original and credible source is conveniently being dismissed in favor of an inane argument?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Sabang and others have provided ample evidence refuting these ridiculous allegations.

prior to the recent disclosure you seem determined not to acknowledge, look at or address...
and I'm not a birther, just a citizen demanding the truth.....and not getting it...... I have that right in spite of the fact that people of your ilk would gladly like to deny me of it..

[Norton]

Originally Posted by slackula

WTF happened to sane, rational, small govt, small spending, moderate Conservatives in the US?

Pssst.............Yeah, you. Over here.

Ron Paul | Ron Paul .com

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by Humbert

Your new argument that Obama was born in 1957 and therefore does not qualify to be president because Hawaii was not yet a state does not hold water. The only requirement is that he or she is the offspring of a U.S. no matter where he or she is born. A person is considered a natural born U.S. citizen if they are the son or daughter of a U.S. citizen.

you're wrong!!! The law you are quoting was in place and valid only since 1984 not at the time of his birth!!!! Get your facts straight if you're going to argue the point..
I know this law very well as it directly effects my children, look it up as it has already been quoted here on this very thread..

Originally Posted by Humbert

Maybe you can verify that the My Space page you allude to is valid. I found two pages and they do not agree on age. Maybe yours is a fake?

That would be convenient for the sake of your argument wouldn't it?? But the very fact that it is still available makes it real, or it would have been removed long ago..It oversteps several laws of free speech and Internet law..
I suggest you not be so blinkered and open your eyes and check for yourself..

[Norton]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

It's HIS fecking MySpace page (correction, not face book as previously stated) why not believe it?

Next time a government authority wants proof of your birthdate show them your facebook age. I'm sure they will be impressed.

[AntRobertson]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

...and I'm not a birther...

According to this you are:

1. Birther

A conspiracy theorist who believes that Barack Obama is ineligible for the Presidency of the United States, based on any number of claims related to his place of birth, birth certificate, favorite birthday, or whether or not he has heard the song Africa by Toto.

"Did you know that Barack Obama's parents concealed the location of his birth because they knew he would grow up to be President? What? Of course it makes sense, I'm a birther!"

2. Birther

A racist sore loser who can't deal with having a black president so they make up absurd conspiracy theories about Barack Obama's birth certificate.

These nutjobs actually believe that there has been a conspiracy going back 48 years to fake Barack Obama's birth certificate. Apparently they had a crystal ball and knew that this black child (born in the days of segregation) would someday run for President.

"Just ignore that racist nutjob foaming at the mouth. He's a right wing "birther" conspiracy nut."

3. birther

A person who believes that Barack Obama has controversy and/or fraud surrounding his birth, though all theories have been either rejected or proved false.

"The birthers gathered on the steps of the Supreme Court - all 20 of them."

Urban Dictionary: birther

[sabang]

The mind of a nutter, sorry Birther-

Believe a My Space page over a Certificate of live Birth, two seperate confirmations of the 1961 birth of Obama from the Hawaiian government, and two seperate printed announcements of Obamas birth in Honolulu newspapers.

Believe a fraudulent translation of an interview conducted with a relative, Sarah Obama, when a genuine translation of the tape from Swahili actually shows that she says that Obama was born in the USA, in Hawaii.

Birthers. Just plain Nuts.

[Humbert]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

you're wrong!!! The law you are quoting was in place and valid only since 1984 not at the time of his birth!!!! Get your facts straight if you're going to argue the point..

Maybe you should show us your source for this. I can find no evidence that the Supreme Court ruled on this in 1984. If you can produce something I will gladly admit that I am wrong. In any case the point is moot since Hawaii was a U.S. Territory.

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by Norton

Next time a government authority wants proof of your birthdate show them your facebook age. I'm sure they will be impressed.

The point is I fill out my MYSpace page, if I choose to lie I do so.. but I'm not the fecking president of the US, is he less accountable for his lies or more so than I am? And if I was called on that lie I would have some explanation (reasonable or not depends on ones perspective) and make the approprate changes to address the issue..

[AntRobertson]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

The point is I fill out my MYSpace page, if I choose to lie I do so.. but I'm not the fecking president of the US, is he less accountable for his lies or more so than I am? And if I was called on that lie I would have some explanation (reasonable or not depends on ones perspective) and make the approprate changes to address the issue..

Mmm yes, I see what you're saying now.

I also note that on his MySpace page under 'Mood' he has put "hopeful". Clearly another lie!

Is there no end to his deceit and trickery??

[sabang]

Definite grounds for Impeachment. Lying on your My Space page.
Do you know 26% of Republicans actually believe this shit.
The GOP leadership must be bursting with pride these days.

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by sabang

The mind of a nutter, sorry Birther-

Believe a My Space page over a Certificate of live Birth, two seperate confirmations of the 1961 birth of Obama from the Hawaiian government, and two seperate printed announcements of Obamas birth in Honolulu newspapers.

Believe a fraudulent translation of an interview conducted with a relative, Sarah Obama, when a genuine translation of the tape from Swahili actually shows that she says that Obama was born in the USA, in Hawaii.

Birthers. Just plain Nuts.

Maybe birthers are nuts, since I'm not one I wouldn't know what you are referring to..So now that that's cleared up where's the reasonable counter explanation?? oh! that's right, you don't have one....

Originally Posted by Humbert

Maybe you should show us your source for this. I can find no evidence that the Supreme Court ruled on this in 1984. If you can produce something I will gladly admit that I am wrong. In any case the point is moot since Hawaii was a U.S. Territory.

I don't know what Supreme court decision you're talking about it is listed in the laws that determine a persons citizenship and has been rewritten numerous times over it's existence by Congress and has nothing to do with the Supreme court.

It's been sourced in this thread or some other on here by my very self and I'm not about to go back and search it for you, you can do that for your own edification either here or in Google..

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by sabang

Definite grounds for Impeachment. Lying on your My Space page.
Do you know 26% of Republicans actually believe this shit.
The GOP leadership must be bursting with pride these days.

lots of laughing icons but no intelligible counter arguments or is that necessary in issues any more? You know lying about your age in any bar in the states or simple grocery store buying cigs can get you arrested, but if you want to run for president then that's OK...

[slackula]

Originally Posted by Norton

Next time a government authority wants proof of your birthdate show them your facebook age. I'm sure they will be impressed.

I'm going to use mine to apply for a US passport. Well, I will once I update it to change my age from 14 to 18..

[AntRobertson]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

lots of laughing icons but no intelligible counter arguments or is that necessary in issues any more?

On that note you've not disproven my teapot orbiting the sun either.

Therefore I'll put you down as a true believer and sign you up for the monthly newsletter: 'Teapot News'.

[Norton]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

The point is I fill out my MYSpace page, if I choose to lie I do so.. but I'm not the fecking president of the US, is he less accountable for his lies or more so than I am?

No question he must be a lying bastard. Motive must he wants facebook people to believe he is older than he is. Then again those pesky number keys are pretty close to each other. Maybe it's a typo? Naw, the birth certificate is a lie.

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

And if I was called on that lie I would have some explanation (reasonable or not depends on ones perspective) and make the approprate changes to address the issue..

As well you should but you likely have more time on your hands than Obama has to worry about what your facebook age is.

Of course you would have to explain why you changed the initial lie with a new one to those who just won't accept a birth certificate.

[sabang]

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

no intelligible counter arguments

No intelligent counter arguments why someones age might be entered incorrectly on a My Space page?

Lemme think about that.

Ok, it's because he was actually born in Kenya, smuggled into the US by his Mother, clever Conspiracists utilising Time machines travelled back and put two fraudulent Birth notices in 1961 Honolulu Newspapaers (cleverly putting them in the Hospitals announcement of Births for added believability), and hacked the Hawaiian Registry computer to enter a false birth. There, that solves it.

Birthers. Just plain Nuts.