President Obama News Thread

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by Muadib

^ That isn't the law... If it were, the Terminator would be the president by now...

What?? Another attorney not well versed in his profession, do tell.... I wish you would have quoted him though as I had to open his post to see the focus of your objection..

In my previous debate with Ventura Law he used typical attorney speak and diversionary tactics to focus on the trivial use of the word "ability" over "eligibility" in my post instead of the important wording which was not trivial to the topic that being "naturalized" and not "natural-born" it seems that is occurring again today..

In summary, the issue with Obama is that post 1986 a citizen born outside of the states to one or more American citizens is considered "natural-born" just as if they were born in the US or eligible territories with all of the rights and privileges afforded them including running for President.

If born pre 1986 however as Obama was though, apparently there is some sticking points to this issue based on past law and the contention is that he is "naturalized" and not "natural-born"..Hence the debate..

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by panama hat

There's reality and then there's venturalaw

[Humbert]

This ridiculous myth has been debunked countless times. Both versions of the birth certificate have been produced.
Some people will never be satisfied because they are driven by hatred and racism.

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by venturalaw

When you say born there, you mean Kenya? He would not be eligible to serve as the President, or Vice President of the US. There are those who argue that since only one parent was a US citizen, he is not considered natural born even though born in the US. The arguement is based upon his father being a Kenya citizen. However, his mother being only 18 at the time of his birth (a naturalized citizen must reside in the U.S. for 10 years, with 5 of those years being after age 16, before giving birth), arguably under the law at that time was not a citizen for the proscribed 5 years prior thereto. In any event, due to BO's father being a citizen of Kenya, an alternative jursidiction (Kenya) conceivably could lay claim to BO as it's citizen. Therefore, at best his citizenship, if ever acquired, would be via naturalization if he were born in Kenya - ergo he would not be deemed a 'natural-born' citizen and therefore ineligible to serve as President or Vice President.

Now that's sensible, but we must not forget to add that this is pre 1986 law when the law was changed.. Though much of that criteria is still in place today...The primary determining factor here is the one American parent issue coupled with her age....

Haven't seen the pre 1986 version yet but assuming your contention is correct then the primary difference between the previous law which carries jurisdiction over Obama is that he had only one American parent at the time which in his case due to her age both parents would have to have been American for him to be considered "natural-born" if he was born in Kenya...
If that's the case and there is any Kenyan birth certificate even in existence it seems cut and dried, he's not a "natural-born" citizen and "INELIGIBLE" to be president..

So why is it such a mystery still?? Why is the birth certificate not being displayed?? Transparency?? .. Very dubious....

[sabang]

Jerome Corsi perpetrated a fraud, for which I would like to see him jailed.
In an interview with Obamas Kenyan auntie (or sumfin) conducted in Swahili, he deliberately had the transcript mistranslated. The Lady stated that Obama was born in the USA, in Hawaii. He translated that she said he was born in Kenya.

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by Humbert

This ridiculous myth has been debunked countless times. Both versions of the birth certificate have been produced.
Some people will never be satisfied because they are driven by hatred and racism.

link? but even still, photo shop is your friend...

[AntRobertson]

Originally Posted by Humbert

This ridiculous myth has been debunked countless times. Both versions of the birth certificate have been produced.
Some people will never be satisfied because they are driven by hatred and racism.

I agree. But there's a less nefarious factor at play too: plain, old, garden-variety, idiocy:

Originally Posted by DrivingForce

link? but even still, photo shop is your friend...

[DrivingForce]

Originally Posted by Panda

"Q&A: Obama's birth certificate"


BBC NEWS | Americas | Q&A: Obama's birth certificate
Page last updated at 07:47 GMT, Tuesday, 4 August 2009 08:47 UK

Hes a bloody Yank!

One minor legal issue, take note of the redaction of the certificate number..
and the note at the bottom of the certificate..Highlighted in black.. as well he should be the 'first' not the 'second' as his father's title was simply Barack Hussein Obama and not Barack Hussein the first..Is Baracks Kenyan brother older? and is he the 'first'?
Details admittedly, but that's what this debate is all about, details...

Sorry for the size of this picture, I probably don't have to ask this but could a mod please reduce it?


On a more close inspection in the center of this certificate it displays a date stamp of June 6th 2007 it appears or something close to that effect. While I understand that a "copy" is admissible as evidence it seems to me that the original document in this case would alleviate much of the doubts surrounding it as the original is less likely to be doctored..

[Jet Gorgon]

Besides the missing number, I didn't know Honolulu was a country.

[DrivingForce]

??? don't see your point Jet, are you being facetious? Honolulu is only listed under "city, town or location of birth" it says nothing about Honolulu being a country?

[Jet Gorgon]

^ Look under "country of birth"

[Humbert]

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Look under "country of birth"

it says county of birth, not country of birth.

[Milkman]

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Look under "country of birth"

What does it say?

[Norton]

Honolulu.

[Milkman]

Originally Posted by Norton

Honolulu.

Under "county" I believe.

As usual, we don't know if the birth certificate is even real.

This is still a dead issue, IMO.

[DrivingForce]

yes, still many questions, it seems this potentially raises more than it answers..

[Norton]

Originally Posted by Milkman

Under "county" I believe.

Indeed. Occasionally Jettie reads things a wee bit different than most. In this case, a minor infraction not noticing the absence of the 'r'.

[Jet Gorgon]

Oops. Didn't have my lens in. 555 No, the letters were smucked. OK, erm, is Honolulu a county? I thought it was a resort town.

[Jet Gorgon]

Originally Posted by Milkman

As usual, we don't know if the birth certificate is even real.

Ah hah, Watson. We don't even know if it's real! Is that the Honolulu one or the Kenyan one?

[Humbert]

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I want to talk about those two chickies released from N Korea. If they were captured at the border, and were in prison, how come they have major pieces of luggage to bring home? Carrying souvenirs, a baby, food?

Reckon they travelled into China with just the clothes on their backs?
One of them is a videographer - stands to reason she would have been carrying equipment.