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Norton

Did he? If I recall correctly he simply redefined what having sex is. "I did not have sex with that woman" would be true if BJs were not considered having sex as per Bill's definition.

Redefining the meaning of something to justify their actions is stock and trade for politicians of all persuasion. For example on the issue of water boarding being a torture as presented by GWB, "The US does not use nor condone the use of torture. Water boarding is an enhanced interrogation technique."

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jim1176

The election will be a blowout. fraud only matters in a close election.

Norton

Agree. Also, characterizing as in the OP as "Mass" fraud hardly fits reality. The amount of "fraudulent" registrations as a percentage of the millions of registered voters is so insignificant it is hardly worth mentioning. Also, looks like the questionable registrations are being dealt with and rejected.

attaboy

You'll have to elaborate. I didn't ignore the previous posts. I said Rove is an example of Republicans catching on and catching up. People on the right are reading books about leftist political strategy by guys like Saul Alinsky. People are beginning to understand how the leftists are playing the game. What's the matter with Democrats? They are getting a dose of their own medicine.


Mayor Daley of Chicago helped to get Jack Kennedy elected president via voter fraud. That's a fact in the history books. It's got to be on a grand scale and obvious to all for a stain like that to be acknowledged. I mean who wants it on their city's public record of achievements?

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Jet Gorgon

Whoa, guess Pickel voted socialist NDP in Canada. They lost. Seems I ruffled more than his feathers with my comments above for him to call me a "fascist bitch". How are my comments fascist? And bitch, too? Your choice of local candidate musta lost, too. Sorry for you.

Which is it Pickel:
1) people with no fixed address should not be allowed to vote? (gotta prove a fixed address, even in Canada)
2)black army vets -- I asked for a link; I haven't disputed this, I just don't recall the info.

Mass Fraud Fears In US...16-10-2008 09:39 PMpickelfascist bitch

Milkman

Higher voter turnout tends to help Dems. Lower voter turnout tends to help the GOP.

The GOP has made a strategic decision to keep people from voting, by using typos, a middle initial, an added or missing apartment number in the Social Security and Motor Vehicle databases.

300,000 voters were barred from voting in Ohio in 2004. Here is a brief background on the current Ohio situation.

Interestingly, since Jan, 2007, over 600,000 new registered voters have happened.

sabang

^ The problem is that Obama is wise to this tactic, and so is the Media.

I doubt they will be able to fudge these elections.

The high profile 'raid' on Acorn in Las Vegas appears to be blatantly politically motivated too.

A worrying segment of the Republican faithful just do not really believe in the democratic process, I'm afraid.

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sabang

^^ Jeez, this is not just Ohio- also Montana, Michigan and Nevada.

It seems the brains trust of the GOP has realised they have lost the mandate of the people, and are instead trying to steal these elections. I do hope the Obama campaign lets the US voting public know about this, in no uncertain terms.

AntRobertson

A Republican President has been in office for the last 8yrs, during which time elections were 'won' by any number of dubious and outright nefarious tactics. During this entire period the Democrats have bemoaned their inability or unwillingness to adopt or adapt to such tactics - Kerry's defeat in '04 has in a large part been laid at the feet of his failure to respond soon enough to the 'Swfit Boat' attacks; what does that tell you when a concerted campaign of lies and distortions is the defining measure in an election?

To suggest that Republicans are somehow only now catching onto Democrat tactics is taking quite some liberty and a rewriting and revisionism of recent history. And that, in a nutshell, was my original point; the seemingly innate ability of Republicans to conveniently 'forget' or ignore. One example of this is the current gnashing of teeth or voter fraud in the upcoming election. To this point it's not bothered them much has it.

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Muadib

Err, yes... "Dubya" stole the election in 2000, validated by the Supreme Court... The truly sad part was that he was re-elected...

Obama has the larger war chest and is using it to fund negative ad campaigns... He will likely win because most Americans can't think for themselves and believe whatever they see on TV... ACORN is just one of Obama's strategies to assure victory in November...

Buddha save us from a democratic house, senate and president...

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AntRobertson

... You're joking right?

attaboy

Broad general statements and sneaky qualifers, Ant. Have you ever heard of "borking"? It predates swiftboating by 20 years.
A sample of Senator Ted Kennedy borking Bork at the Senate confirmation hearings: "Robert Bork's America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens' doors in midnight raids, children could not be taught about evolution."

Yep, Kennedy calls Bork a racist, a savage and a cretin during confirmation hearings. Another Senator (I couldn't find his quote) said Bork was "creepy" when referring to Bork's looks. Bork is not the most handsome of men. He has been compared to Jabba the Hutt.

I don't know of any books by rightist political strategists with titles like Rules for Radicals or Reveille for Radicals. There is The Prince.

AntRobertson

I mentioned specific examples, how's that "broad general statements". And there are no qualifiers, the pinciples the same. The only thing 'braod' is your failure to address any of the actual points raised in favour of speciousness.

... and? What's your point? You're shifting the posts. Deliberately or not you're obfuscating from the point I originally made.

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I don't know of any books by rightist political strategists with titles like Rules for Radicals or Reveille for Radicals. There is The Prince.

How on earth is Alinsky suddenly elevated to the position of political strategist for the Democrats!?

sabang

Just for you Atta :-

Right-Of-Center Bloggers Select The Books That Have Had The Biggest Impact On Their Thinking:-

16) Robert Ringer: Winning Through Intimidation (3)
16) Adam Smith: Wealth of Nations (3)
16) Ann Coulter: Treason (3)
16) William Shirer: Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (3)
16) Dale Carnegie: How To Win Friends & Influence People (3)
16) Douglas Adams: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (3) (***Two Votes For The Book & One Vote For The Trilogy Added Together***)
16) Thucydides: History of the Peloponnesian Wars (3)
16) Russell Kirk: The Conservative Mind: From Burke to Eliot (3)
16) C.S. Lewis: The Chronicles of Narnia (3)
16) Victor Davis Hanson: Carnage and Culture (3)
16) C.S. Lewis: The Abolition of Man (3)
13) Rush Limbaugh: The Way Things Ought to Be (4)
13) Milton Friedman, Rose Friedman: Free to Choose (4)
13) George Orwell: Animal Farm (4)
7) David Horowitz: Radical Son (5)
7) Robert Heinlein: The Moon is a Harsh Mistress (5)
7) C. S. Lewis: Mere Christianity (5)
7) J. R. R. Tolkien: The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (5)
7) Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Jay: The Federalist Papers (5)
7) Milton Friedman: Capitalism and Freedom (5)
6) Sun Tzu: The Art of War (6)
3) F.A. Hayek: The Road to Serfdom (8)
3) Ayn Rand: The Fountainhead (8)
3) George Orwell: 1984 (8)
2) Ayn Rand: Atlas Shrugged (10)
1) Holy Bible (18) (***All Versions Added Together***)

Right-Of-Center Bloggers Select The Books That Have Had The Biggest Impact On Their Thinking - Right Wing News (Conservative News and Views)

I'm amazed that CS Lewis seems to be so influential with bloggers of the Right.

Boon Mee

Remember, under the new spin, voter fraud is no longer a "myth" -- now it's all-American!

attaboy

Thnx sabang. Do any of these books say to purposely instigate chaos and misery in order to prod satisfied citizens to support change? It's pretty much standard procedure for the left.

Granted, the characters of Atlas Shrugged generated misery when they stopped supporting the corrupt system. They merely walked away. They didn't commit terrror and violence.

Jet Gorgon

Where's Lord of the Flies, then?

sabang

^ Right here in Issues.

Boon Mee

Back on topic:

Remember Those 1.3 Million New Voters? Uh, Never Mind


Stunning isn't it, that ACORN would lie about the number of "new voters" they registered? Remarkably, the New York Times is reporting this, though they go to great lengths to obfuscate the obvious efforts at voter fraud.On Oct. 6, the community organizing group Acorn and an affiliated charity called Project Vote announced with jubilation that they had registered 1.3 million new voters. But it turns out the claim was a wild exaggeration, and the real number of newly registered voters nationwide is closer to 450,000, Project Vote’s executive director, Michael Slater, said in an interview.

The remainder are registered voters who were changing their address and roughly 400,000 that were rejected by election officials for a variety of reasons, including duplicate registrations, incomplete forms and fraudulent submissions from low-paid field workers trying to please their supervisors, Mr. Slater acknowledged."

Thanks to this source

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Boon Mee

Heh...Six Alabama counties have more registered voters than voting-age people.