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lom

Kenya of all places. How horrible

keda

As I recall it was only about a week ago the revisionists were shitting us on this very board with claims that he was born where it suits their evil purpose.

Sorted. Now, when it's clarified will he step down gracefully, as in jai yen yen lorlen, or get done with the rest of the Dem elite for fraudulently attempting to own the USofA?

Boon Mee

The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud. "They register dead people, but that's not all." Unbelievable...

Boon Mee

"One of those news stories you can hardly believe. In Lake County, Indiana, ACORN turned in 5,000 new registrations. The authorities there started reviewing them, and quit after they found that the first 2,100 were all fraudulent. The mind boggles: ACORN turns in thousands of new registrations, and not a single one represents a legitimate voter."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/

I'm speechless...if BO wins this way, there's gonna be a revolution for sure. And you can take that to the bank...

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sabang

Obama will win on popular mandate- you would be brave to argue against that now.

I'm not the least bit impressed by the activities of this ACORN group, but it does seem to come down to some scumbag individuals they employ rather than the management of the organisation. By law, they have to submit all voter registrations they receive- but the ones they believe to be suspect they have been marking so themselves before submitting them.

The other point is that a voter registration does not automatically give you a preordained vote- so for example where you have multiple registrations in one name, that will still lead to only one vote- if indeed they vote at all.

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Jet Gorgon

Sorry, don't follow you here.

sabang

^ This explains it better-

In fairness to Marshall, he makes the valid point that fraudulent registration doesn’t necessarily end up in fraudulent voting. “This is fraud against ACORN,” he writes. “They end up paying people for registering more people then they actually signed up. If you register me three times to vote, the registrar will see two new registrations of an already registered person and the ones won’t count. If I successfully register Mickey Mouse to vote, on election day, Mickey Mouse will still be a cartoon character who cannot go to the local voting station and vote.”

Who’s the Fraud? - The Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com

And heres a transcript from a Fox interview with an Acorn spokesman-

Joining us live is Scott Levenson, national spokesperson for ACORN. Welcome, Scott, and let me ask you about Governor Palin's e-mail to find out if you agree with it.
First of all, has the ACORN pack endorsed Senator Obama for president?
SCOTT LEVENSON, ACORN NATIONAL SPOKESMAN: Yes, we have.
VAN SUSTEREN: And has Senator Obama's campaign paid $800,000 or any sum nearly that to any ACORN or ACORN affiliate to get out the vote?
LEVENSON: No--$800,000 was paid to CSI, a private organization. A small portion of that contract was paid to ACORN for get out the vote services in the primary.
VAN SUSTEREN: What do you say "small portion"? What's small portion?
LEVENSON: I believe it was $80,000.
VAN SUSTEREN: OK.
All right, here's the problem. In at least Cuyahoga County up in Ohio, and this is a state that's neck and neck--49 Obama, 47 McCain in our polls. ACORN has admitted to county election officials that it can't eliminate fraud from its operation. Did ACORN admit that?
LEVENSON: No.
In fact, this is a real important point, so I want to thank you for having me on. But it's important that the viewers I think hear the story of what's actually happened here.
We registered nationwide 1.3 million folks over an 18 month period, employing some 13,000 workers during that process. And during that time on a weekly basis, a by-weekly basis, we identified and tagged potential problem voter registration forms. At that time, we notified local boards of elections of those problematic forms.
What we're hearing about today, Greta, is the accumulation of those forms over an 18-month period that some folks are wrapping in an umbrella of fraud. And that's just not the case.
These are forms that we identified, we brought to the local board's attention, and we know that they might be problems and ask for the local boards to identify them.
But the real story here is how people registered to vote in this election for the first time in record numbers. Poor folks and inner city folks and young folks registered in record numbers, Greta, and we're kind of proud of that work.


LEVENSON: But Greta, the important thing is that ACORN showed its due diligence, identified the local officials, and we aggressively recruited new voters to the system. That's an exciting thing.
VAN SUSTEREN: I got that. That is very exciting. But what's not exciting is someone who registers 73 times, because the problem it sends to the rest of us a message that the election's going to be a fraud.
LEVENSON: That's why we brought it to the local elector's attention. That's why we did our due diligence.
VAN SUSTEREN: You've got the problem in Nevada.
LEVENSON: That's why we set up a process to identify it.
Every problem that you're racing is a problem that we pointed out. That's important for you viewers to know. We are required to turn over forms. We were required to take forms and turn it over. That's what we were required to do under law.
FOXNews.com - ACORN Responds to Palin Attack and More - Greta Van Susteren | On The Record With Greta

Jet Gorgon

^ ACORN is showing due diligence? Beg to differ.

What I haven't read about yet is Ohio's "register and vote the same day" info. How many phony ballots were cast there?

Elections officials state that registering under a fake name is illegal, however they usually catch multiple registrations and get rid of them. But where the major risk of fraud in large canvassing efforts such as ACORN's comes into play is the possibility of ineligible voters filing absentee ballots, and then avoiding checks at polling places.
ACORN Voter Fraud Investigations Underway in Key Swing State of Ohio | Cleveland Leader

Right. No photo ID required. Register and vote the same day!

AntRobertson

It's striking me as rather amusing that some of the members of the right on this forum seem to suddenly be taking an active interest in voter-fraud and legitimate elections. Wonder if they were so concerned back in 2000?

Boon Mee

^Like what fraud, eh?

Again, you are totally clueless - out of your depth.

Must stem from an overbearing inferiority complex - y'all coming from some little insignificant island who absolutely nobody is concerned with other than making movies, eh?

Boon Mee

The Complete Guide to ACORN Voter Fraud

Just this week, a federal judge ordered Ohio’s top elections official to verify the identity of newly registered voters by matching them with other government documents. The very next day a 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals set aside the federal judge’s order on verifying registrations.

Further igniting the voter fraud/voter registration debate was the news that a national community organizing group is being investigated in at least 14 states and several swing states for massive irregularities. This news would make headlines anyway, but what made it worse was that Barack Obama was a key player in this organization, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, in the past. Obama trained its local leaders, represented the organization in court, and worked to funnel funds to the organization. The Obama campaign also donated $800,000 this year to an ACORN affiliate.
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The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is a community-based organization that advocates for low and moderate income families founded in 1970 by Wade Rathke and Gary Delgado. Rathke, one of the most powerful hard-Left activists in America, is a former member of a radical 1960s group, the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). The Weathermen terrorist group split off from the SDS in 1969. ACORN says its priorities include better housing and wages for the poor, more community development investment from banks and governments, and better public schools.
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This year alone ACORN has registered 1,315,037 voters.
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In the state of Missouri in 1986, 12 ACORN members were convicted of voter fraud.
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In December 2004, in St. Louis, six volunteers pleaded guilty of dozens of election law violations for filling out registration cards with names of dead people and other bogus information.
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In October 2006, St. Louis election officials discovered at least 1,492 “potentially fraudulent” voter registration cards. They were all turned in by ACORN volunteers.
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In November 2006, 20,000 to 35,000 questionable voter registration forms were turned in by ACORN officials in Missouri. Most all of these were from St. Louis and Kansas City areas, where ACORN purportedly sought to help empower the “disenfranchised” minorities living there. But the ACORN workers weren’t just told to register new voters. The workers admitted on camera that they were coached to tell registrants to vote for Democrat Claire McCaskill.
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In 2007, in Kansas City, Missouri, four ACORN employees were indicted for fraud.
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In April of this year eight ACORN employees in St. Louis city and county pleaded guilty to federal election fraud...
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Over a dozen states are investigating the organization already. Here is a complete list of the ongoing investigations

sabang

Like, this one:-

Karl Rove's ssistant Busted in Scheme of Massive Voter Fraud

Timothy Griffin, Karl Rove's assistant, the President's pick as US Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas, was the hidden hand behind a scheme to wipe out the voting rights of 70,000 citizens prior to the 2004 election.

Key voters on Griffin's hit list: Black soldiers and homeless men and women. Nice guy, eh? Targeting voters where race is a factor is a felony crime under the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

In October 2004, our investigations team at BBC Newsnight received a series of astonishing emails from Mr. Griffin, then Research Director for the Republican National Committee. He didn't mean to send them to us. They were highly confidential memos meant only for RNC honchos.

However, Griffin made a wee mistake. Instead of sending the emails -- potential evidence of a crime -- to email addresses ending with the domain name "[at]GeorgeWBush.com" he sent them to "[at]GeorgeWBush.ORG." A website run by prankster John Wooden who owns "GeorgeWBush.org." When Wooden got the treasure trove of Rove-ian ravings, he sent them to us.

And we dug in, decoding, and mapping the voters on what Griffin called, "Caging" lists, spreadsheets with 70,000 names of voters marked for challenge. Overwhelmingly, these were Black and Hispanic voters from Democratic precincts.

The Griffin scheme was sickly brilliant. We learned that the RNC sent first-class letters to new voters in minority precincts marked, "Do not forward." Several sheets contained nothing but soldiers, other sheets, homeless shelters. Targets included the Jacksonville Naval Air Station in Florida and that city's State Street Rescue Mission. Another target, Edward Waters College, a school for African-Americans.

If these voters were not currently at their home voting address, they were tagged as "suspect" and their registration wiped out or their ballot challenged and not counted. Of course, these 'cages' captured thousands of students, the homeless and those in the military though they are legitimate voters.
We telephoned those on the hit list, including one Randall Prausa. His wife admitted he wasn't living at his voting address: Randall was a soldier shipped overseas.

Karl Rove's ssistant Busted in Scheme of Massive Voter Fraud

And heres Wiki's report about some of the shenanigans in the last two elections:-

Specific issues concerning the voting process:-

Voter registration

Facilitating voter registration was the main goal of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993. States were required to make registration more widely available, notably through driver's license agencies (hence the nickname "Motor Voter Act"). In 2004, however, there were incidents in several states in which people who had submitted registration forms through a motor vehicle agency were not found on the voter rolls on Election Day.

There were also complaints about the rejection of registrations by government agencies. College students encountered difficulties in registering where they attended school. Some officials rejected voter registration forms on grounds that were contested, such as a failure to use paper of a particular weight (Ohio) or a failure to check a box on the form (Florida).

Aside from such official actions, there were disputes about other voter registration activities. In Nevada and Oregon, a company hired by the Republican National Committee solicited voter registration forms, but was accused of filing only the Republicans’ forms and shredding those completed by Democrats. A nonprofit organization, ACORN, was accused of submitting false voter registration forms and of carelessly or deliberately failing to submit some valid ones that it had received.

Purges of voter lists

State efforts to purge voter rolls have led to disputes, notably in Florida. Before the 2000 election, Florida officials purged 57,700 registered voters on the grounds that they were convicted felons (and therefore ineligible to vote under Florida law). Many of those whose names were purged were "false positives" (not actually felons). (See Florida Central Voter File.) A post-election lawsuit brought by the NAACP, the People for the American Way Foundation, and other organizations resulted in a settlement in 2002 in which the state agreed to restore eligible voters to the rolls and take other steps to improve election procedures.

The issue returned to prominence in 2004 when Florida announced another planned purge, again based on a list of felons. The state government initially attempted to keep the list secret. When a court ordered its release, it was found to contain mostly Democrats and a disproportionate number of racial minorities. Faced with media documentation that the list included thousands of errors, the state abandoned the attempt to use it. Some of the voters improperly purged in 2000 had not been restored as of May 2004.

Voter suppression

The term "voter suppression" is used to describe methods of discouraging or impeding people from voting. The government agency or private entity doing so believes that the would-be voters thus turned away would have been more likely to vote for an opponent. For example, Dennis Kucinch described voter suppression in his state, Ohio:
Dirty tricks occurred across the state, including phony letters from Boards of Elections telling people that their registration through some Democratic activist groups were invalid and that Kerry voters were to report on Wednesday because of massive voter turnout. Phone calls to voters giving them erroneous polling information were also common. John Pappageorge, a Republican state legislator in Michigan said in the summer of 2004, "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election."

Exit polling

The 2004 election brought new attention to the issue of exit polls, which are generally considered more reliable than pre-election opinion polls. Many pointed to widespread discrepancies between exit polls conducted during Election Day and the officially reported results. They pointed out that the official results were more favorable to Bush than were the polls, and that these discrepancies were more likely to arise in swing states.

Full Article- 2004 United States election voting controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Voter fraud is a serious issue, and should be absolutely eliminated anywhere it is found- otherwise people lose faith in the democratic process. It is pretty obvious on the balance of evidence however that it is the Democrats who have suffered from this far worse than the GOP, and who probably have more to fear in the coming election also, given some blatantly prejudiced attempts to exclude qualified individuals from voting on the flimsiest of grounds- as previously co-ordinated by Karl Rove and his minions.

I suspect that some of the Right wing Republican bitterness about Obama stems from this very fact- he is just plain too smart, and wise to their dirty tricks. Obama has been running a 'register to vote' campaign for a couple of years now, and I am not just talking about Acorn- which incidentally received around $80,000 from the Dem's, not the $800,000 being bandied about.

sabang

Ironic, and predictable, that it is the Republicans making the most noise about voter fraud. A Smokescreen perhaps?

According to Democratic attorney Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.:

But what is most anomalous about the irregularities in 2004 was their decidedly partisan bent: Almost without exception they hurt John Kerry and benefited George Bush. After carefully examining the evidence, I've become convinced that the president's party mounted a massive, coordinated campaign to subvert the will of the people in 2004. Across the country, Republican election officials and party stalwarts employed a wide range of illegal and unethical tactics to fix the election. A review of the available data reveals that in Ohio alone, at least 357,000 voters, the overwhelming majority of them Democratic, were prevented from casting ballots or did not have their votes counted in 2004 -- more than enough to shift the results of an election decided by 118,601 votes. ... In what may be the single most astounding fact from the election, one in every four Ohio citizens who registered to vote in 2004 showed up at the polls only to discover that they were not listed on the rolls, thanks to GOP efforts to stem the unprecedented flood of Democrats eager to cast ballots. And that doesn’t even take into account the troubling evidence of outright fraud, which indicates that upwards of 80,000 votes for Kerry were counted instead for Bush. That alone is a swing of more than 160,000 votes -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.

Journalist Greg Palast came to the same conclusion

2004 United States election voting controversies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

AntRobertson

^&^^
The Republicans have the unique ability to conveniently forget or ignore stuff like this.

To hear them tell it Dubbya never lied and misled the American people over Iraq but Clinton perjured himself whilst in office; the media's left-wing and biased against them even though all mainstream media falied in their duty leading up to the Iraq war and were even complicit in beating the drums/sounding the propaganda; and voter fraud only counts when it counts against them, 2000 and 2004 were merely 'anomalies'.

attaboy

Republicans are playing catch up. You don't understand that for for years Republicans have been content to be the sleepy foot dragging opposition to Democrat agendas. Reagan changed that. Republicans see they they can actually participate in the process and get their wishes implemented.

Republicans are learning how the game is played by the leftists. Rove is an example of dirty tricks coming up to par with Democrats. More and more Republicans are reading leftist political strategy. Saul Alinsky is getting a good reviewing this election. More and more people are catching on.

We need Michelle Obama to make more references to Alinsky. The cat is out of the bag.

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Jet Gorgon

But Clinton did commit perjury.
Nothing wrong with crossing off homeless people from the voting list -- that is one requisite for voting -- a legal home address. Dunno about the black army veteran stuff. Give us a linkie.

AntRobertson

You're kinda missing the point, I never said he didn't. What I'm saying is that this is something that was (obviously) discussed at the time and still is today yet, in stark contrast, Bush misleads and lies to the American public with the end result that they're mired in an unnecessary war and the majority of Republicans tend to suffer short-term amnesia over this. Same with the other examples I mentioned.

Thanks for proving my point for me.

attaboy

You have the floor and the mic. Keep going.

AntRobertson

Why, I've already made my point.

Jet Gorgon

Many Reps acknowledge inaccuracies. After 9/11, the threat of WMDs was a priority. Rather have a screwup on intelligence than another attack on US soil.
Huh, just heard BO in the last prez debate tonight and he conveniently forgot stuff about Ayers (I would say he lied on that point), his ACORN associations and contributions (erm, I'd call that a lie, too), his voting record on partial birth abortions (I guess if he only voted present that don't count), and his tax policies (erm, only the rich will spread the wealth, but Joe Plumber has gotta learn to distribute the wealth, too). OK. His closing statement was the scariest, with his note that we all have to make sacrifices (I'm paraphrasisng as I don't have the transcript).
Hello, Socialsit America! Come to Canada; at least we were smart enought to vote Harper in again, even with only a slightly larger minority. Give us time to make it a majority.