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spliff · 09-06-2009, 06:00 PM

So, Look at it This Way, 52′ers…

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No, really, I’m not going to scream at you this time, honest, so hear me out.
While your Obamessiah has been working on his hostile take-over of Government Motors, us talking heads have been babbling about secured debts, bond holders getting shafted to bribe the UAW in time for the midterms, 401(k)s getting even more worthless, private enterprise being killed to be replaced by a fascist government etc. etc. etc.
But I’ve failed to realize that a lot of you really couldn’t care less about all of those things. A lot of you starry-eyed Obamalytes don’t even have 401(k)s, living from paycheck to paycheck and you probably couldn’t care less about the private rich cat bond holders while you work 80 hour weeks at minimum wage or barely above that in order to keep your kids clothed, fed and with a roof over their heads.
I understand that, to a degree. I don’t agree with it, but I do understand it. I know a lot of you. I’ve seen you slave away at places like Denny’s, hoping against hope that somebody is going to leave you a tip large enough that maybe you can take the kids to Six Flags next weekend. Provided that you can find the energy to go during the 6 or 8 hours of leisure time your two jobs leave you with.
So what if the gummint and your Obamessiah just bailed out the UAW? Hey, power to the people, right? Finally somebody is looking out for the working stiff!
Well, let me tell you about the “working stiffs” of the UAW. They’re the main reason that U.S. cars are woefully uncompetitive and, as a result, that companies like Government Motors and Obamachrysler are in the mess they’re now in. They are that because they’ve been successful in blackmailing ball-less CEOs into paying their members ridiculous and unsustainable benefits, pensions and wages.
Think about this while you sweep the floor of Wal*Mart: Those clowns are getting $70/hr to tighten bolts. That’s it. Oh, and couple that with full bennies, being almost impossible to fire along with a lifetime pension. They’re not doctors, rocket scientists, engineers or nuclear physicists, they’re unskilled (or barely skilled) labor getting roughly 5-10 times what you make with all of the bennies added on top.
They were about to lose those cushy sinecures because they, like some parasites, had finally managed to kill their hosts through their own greed and ignorance, but that didn’t happen. It didn’t happen because your Knight in Shining Armor, your Anointed One, your Obamessiah threw $50,000,000,000 at them and gave them the company as a wedding gift.
And you know where those billions came from?
Right out of your paycheck.
I don’t know about you, but if I were sitting around realizing that the money that I needed to get little Sally her much-needed braces had been stolen from me and given to a bunch of overpaid morons building crappy, over-priced cars that nobody wants or can afford to buy so they could keep their jobs, I’d be pretty pissed off.
I’d be even more pissed off at the swine and his party who made it happen.
And if I’d voted for the jugeared freak, I’d be pissed off at myself too.
I mean, it’s not like he’s come by to pay your mortgage and fill up the tank of your car yet, is it?
Of course, your mileage may vary, you may honestly think that it’s a necessary sacrifice as you ladle out the Ramen noodles to your kids tonight before shuffling them off to bed so you can cover your minimum wage third shift job.
But I’d be pretty pissed off.
And that’s putting it mildly.

Norton · 09-06-2009, 07:22 PM

^An affiliate of this bunch so they claim. Both objective blogs to be sure.

Ironically posted in an OP titled "Why do Democrats tell so many lies?"

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blackgang · 12-06-2009, 05:31 PM

Pelosi has spread the shit pretty thick and if you did believe her then you need to read this.

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Editor's note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist, and in this opinion piece he takes on both while lamenting the current state of journalism.
An open letter to the local daily paper â€” almost every local daily paper in America :
I remember reading All the President's Men and thinking: That's journalism. You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.
This housing crisis didn't come out of nowhere. It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.
It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.
What is a risky loan? It's a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.
The goal of this rule change was to help the poor â€” which especially would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can't repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can't make the payments, they lose the house â€” along with their credit rating.
They end up worse off than before.
This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it. One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules. The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.
Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. (Though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me. It's as if the Pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of Congressmen who support increasing their budget.)
Isn't there a story here? Doesn't journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout? Aren't you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefiting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?
I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal. "Housing-gate," no doubt. Or "Fannie-gate."
Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.
As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.Com essay entitled "Do Facts Matter?" ( Snipurl / Snurl / Snipr / Sn.im - Snippetty snip snip with your looong URLs! Short URL goodness since 2001] ): "Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush's Secretary of the Treasury."
These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was ... the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was ... the Republican Party.
Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie. Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!
What? It's not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?
Now let's follow the money ... right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.
And after Freddie Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate's campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing.
If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.
But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an "adviser" to the Obama campaign â€” because that campaign had sought his advice â€” you actually let Obama's people get away with accusing McCain of lying, merely because Raines wasn't listed as an official adviser to the Obama campaign.
You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.
If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama.
If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow Republicans were to blame for this crisis.
There are precedents. Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension â€” so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)
If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.
Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth. That's what you claim you do, when you accept people's money to buy or subscribe to your paper.
But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie â€” that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and the Republicans. You have trained the American people to blame everything bad â€” even bad weather â€” on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.
If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth â€” even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.
Because that's what honorable people do. Honest people tell the truth even when they don't like the probable consequences. That's what honesty means . That's how trust is earned.
Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time â€” and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.
Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter â€” while you ignored the story of John Edwards's own adultery for many months.
So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all? Do you even know what honesty means?
Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?
You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. Who listens to NOW anymore? We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.
That's where you are right now.
It's not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.
If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.
Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation's prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama's door.
You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.
This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.
If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe â€” and vote as if â€” President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.
If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats â€” including Barack Obama â€” and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans â€” then you are not journalists by any standard.
You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.
This article first appeared in The Rhinoceros Times of Greensboro , North Carolina , and is used here by permission.

Norton · 12-06-2009, 05:43 PM

^Think you need a link check BG. Pelosi trying to make few bucks to help out the tax payers?

$9.95? Couple of decades and soon you have a couple of trillion.

Jet Gorgon · 12-06-2009, 06:14 PM

^^ Good piece, BG, but do you think any libbies will read it or listen to what is being said? (nice to see you back; all OK?)

raycarey · 12-06-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackgang

Editor's note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist

i'm not sure which is a more absurd claim....that he's a democrat or a newspaper columnist.

he supported bush in 2004, the republican party candidates in 2006, and mccain in 2008

and as far as being a newspaper columnist is concerned....which newspaper is he a columnist for?

ahhh.....here it is....the rhinoceros times (!?!?!?!).

News, Guilford County Politics, Entertainment, Restaurants, Clubs, Coupons

btw, he's also a mormon who writes LDS (mormon) fiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orson_Scott_Car

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Good piece, BG, but do you think any libbies will read it or listen to what is being said?

right after finishing l. ron hubbard.

keep trying BG and jet.

keep trying.

Norton · 12-06-2009, 07:14 PM

^^^There is ample blame for everyone regarding the economy. I have said many times, it was a team effort. Congress, President/s, lenders, regulators and IMO the most blame goes to, irresponsible borrowers.

As for the rest of his assertions, all have been discussed ad nauseam.

Few of his assertions I find semi creditable. Most are best put in the category of his normal genre. Science fiction! A few good ones IMO.

Ender's Game and Speaker For The Dead won the coveted Hogo Award for best sci fi.

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Orson Scott Card is a Democrat

Hard core "libbie" to the end.

attaboy · 23-12-2009, 04:11 AM

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^^^There is ample blame for everyone regarding the economy. I have said many times, it was a team effort. Congress, President/s, lenders, regulators and IMO the most blame goes to, irresponsible borrowers.

American Public media: Marketplace
Monday, December 21, 2009

40% of modified mortgages in trouble

Despite the Obama administration's push to keep people in their homes through mortgage modifications and lenders cutting payments for millions of borrowers, a government report suggests the effort may be falling short. Amy Scott reports.

AMY SCOTT: Four years ago landscape architect Bill Donnelly took out an interest-only loan to buy a house in Washington, D.C. The interest rate was fairly high, but he and his wife figured they'd refinance.

BILL DONNELLY: Being a first-time homebuyer, I knew nothing about buying a home. And everyone seemed to think that, you know, I wasn't getting in that far over my head.

Then the bottom fell out of the housing market. And the plan to refinance fell apart. Eventually Donnelly turned to mortgage modification. His lender temporarily cut his monthly payments by close to 20 percent. He's waiting for a permanent deal. But it may not be enough.

DONNELLY: Things change in life, and we recently had a second child. And so our cost's going up in childcare. So we're still going to struggle with whatever they come back with.

40% of modified mortgages in trouble | Marketplace From American Public Media

The guy gets himself into hot water because he doesn't do any homework before buying a house. His lender provides him with some relief and he jumps right back into the hot water by having a second child. He needs government sponsored child care. He needs to be able to own a house but have the responsiblities for owning the house be congruent to that of the responsibilities of a renter.

Jet Gorgon · 23-12-2009, 01:05 PM

^ Kinda lame, Atta,

There are so many stories like this and so many libbie folks now expecting handouts. Fek em.

Boon Mee · 04-01-2010, 03:30 AM

Well, with Democrats telling so many lies, is it not understandable we get this change?

CHANGE: “In December, the number of Americans identifying themselves as Democrats fell to the lowest level recorded in more than seven years of monthly tracking by Rasmussen Reports.”

Jet Gorgon · 04-01-2010, 04:41 AM

^ No sh*t, Boonie. Unless you were on welfare or a member of a govt-subsidised union, would you want to be known as a libbie now?

Boon Mee · 12-01-2010, 08:38 AM

Gee, I wonder if Oliver Stone is a Democrat?

“Hitler got a bad rap”

Can Hollywood Get Anymore Putrid

dotcom · 12-01-2010, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

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Originally Posted by attaboy

He bowed so low he was kowtowing. He was indicating you, mighty king of Saudi Arabia, are higher than me, lowly President of the United States of America.

It's actually nice to have a President who is sensitive to other culture's protocol and etiquette - it seems the only ones having a problem with a 'bow' are right-wing, uneducated morons, who feel it is best to antagonize other cultures.

What bambam said was "Yes your Highness I will kiss your ass but as President of the United States I must insist you wash it first".

btw Post 53 nominated for post of the decade!!!!!

AntRobertson · 12-01-2010, 09:37 AM

This ingrained ideal that some Americans seem to have for their Presidents as some machoman, refusing to acknowledge much less abide by any foreign cultural mores and norms (even when in a foreign country) because it's somehow a sign of weakness, the 'shoot first, ask questions later' mentality, the whole John Wayne aspect of it all... Well it's all rather silly.

Not too mention juvenile, naive, unrealistic and an anachronism.

beazalbob69 · 12-01-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

This ingrained ideal that some Americans seem to have for their Presidents as some machoman, refusing to acknowledge much less abide by any foreign cultural mores and norms (even when in a foreign country) because it's somehow a sign of weakness, the 'shoot first, ask questions later' mentality, the whole John Wayne aspect of it all... Well it's all rather silly.

Not too mention juvenile, naive, unrealistic and an anachronism.

Sadly thats the "American Way" and you cant speak against it or you are "Unpatriotic" ok pilgrim

dotcom · 14-01-2010, 04:07 AM

Bad Body Odor Reid says he appologized to the necessary people for his insensitive comments regarding Bambam's suitability to run for President. So he said sorry to Bambam & Senate Democrats. This guy just doesn't have a clue. Goodbye dork.

Jet Gorgon · 26-01-2010, 06:30 AM

Carville, the uber-libbie, gets it wrong again, but tries to squirm out of it (again).

AP Interview: WH economist on the middle class

Boon Mee · 15-02-2010, 01:32 AM

Vice President Dick Cheney --- the only human who can kick Chuck Norris's ass --- was invited to appear on ABC News This Week. This Week is the program that achieves "balance" by having four liberals gang up on George Will. And, of course, Dick did just that! Biden was toast!

Patterico's Pontifications Cheney to Appear on ABC’s “This Week”

Jet Gorgon · 15-02-2010, 01:03 PM

^ I watched Biden on the Sunday shows. Full of himself, as usual, with fluff attacks on Cheney. Not too many gaffes, but guess that was before his motorcade had another accident.

slackula · 15-02-2010, 01:15 PM

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but guess that was before his motorcade had another accident

You reckon Biden drives his own motorcade? At least he hasn't shot any of his friends in the face yet..

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09-06-2009, 07:22 PM	#62 (permalink)
Norton Days Work Done! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Roiet Posts: 13,221	^An affiliate of this bunch so they claim. Both objective blogs to be sure. Ironically posted in an OP titled "Why do Democrats tell so many lies?" The VRWC Home

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Norton Days Work Done! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Roiet Posts: 13,221	^Think you need a link check BG. Pelosi trying to make few bucks to help out the tax payers? $9.95? Couple of decades and soon you have a couple of trillion.

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Jet Gorgon Take No Prisoners Barbie Last Online: Today 02:08 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 13,382	^^ Good piece, BG, but do you think any libbies will read it or listen to what is being said? (nice to see you back; all OK?)

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Jet Gorgon Take No Prisoners Barbie Last Online: Today 02:08 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 13,382	^ Kinda lame, Atta, There are so many stories like this and so many libbie folks now expecting handouts. Fek em.

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Boon Mee Progressives = Clueless Last Online: Today 06:21 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 13,729	Well, with Democrats telling so many lies, is it not understandable we get this change? CHANGE: “In December, the number of Americans identifying themselves as Democrats fell to the lowest level recorded in more than seven years of monthly tracking by Rasmussen Reports.”

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Jet Gorgon Take No Prisoners Barbie Last Online: Today 02:08 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 13,382	^ No sh*t, Boonie. Unless you were on welfare or a member of a govt-subsidised union, would you want to be known as a libbie now?

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Boon Mee Progressives = Clueless Last Online: Today 06:21 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 13,729	Gee, I wonder if Oliver Stone is a Democrat? “Hitler got a bad rap” Can Hollywood Get Anymore Putrid

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dotcom Baan Laem Last Online: Today 10:27 AM Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Big Mango Onnut Posts: 399	Bad Body Odor Reid says he appologized to the necessary people for his insensitive comments regarding Bambam's suitability to run for President. So he said sorry to Bambam & Senate Democrats. This guy just doesn't have a clue. Goodbye dork.

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Jet Gorgon Take No Prisoners Barbie Last Online: Today 02:08 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 13,382	Carville, the uber-libbie, gets it wrong again, but tries to squirm out of it (again). AP Interview: WH economist on the middle class

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Jet Gorgon Take No Prisoners Barbie Last Online: Today 02:08 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 13,382	^ I watched Biden on the Sunday shows. Full of himself, as usual, with fluff attacks on Cheney. Not too many gaffes, but guess that was before his motorcade had another accident.

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