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Old 09-09-2008, 09:47 PM   #21 (permalink)
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^daughter is hot
why don't you ask her out then?
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:48 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Ray's just pissed because nothing sticks to Palin. He's going completely nuts, quite funny actually.
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Old 09-09-2008, 09:51 PM   #23 (permalink)
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why don't you ask her out then?
Well gf might have smth to say about that, and not Thai. (plus being underage is illegal)
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:32 AM   #24 (permalink)
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(plus being underage is illegal)
Oh, oh. How old is the father of her unborn baby?
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and then the citizens of alaska are paying to fly her kids all over the country? i wonder if that 17 year old got knocked up while joining the mile high club on the taxpayer's dime?
interesting thought

wonder if the two were sharing a room at the RNC
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Ray's just pissed because nothing sticks to Palin. He's going completely nuts, quite funny actually.
Yeah...another Century Thread for the failed PhD candidate, eh?
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:02 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Can't be arsed to look back to see whether the failed PhD candidate has accused Palin in the Bridge to Nowhere deal but here's a bit of interesting information...heh.

"Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief."

Chicago Daily Observer | Obama and Biden Voted for Bridge to Nowhere

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Old 10-09-2008, 05:09 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Ray's just pissed because nothing sticks to Palin.
The "Teflon Mom"

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He's going completely nuts, quite funny actually.
We're going to need a new pathology to describe this radical aversion to real people.
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:22 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Five Reasons Why The Smears Won't Work:

1. Sympathy. They started off with a vile rumor that Palin faked the pregnancy of her fifth child, then turned it into an attack on her 17-year-old pregnant daughter. The fake pregnancy rumor was false. Not only were they shockingly nasty and vicious, they were also wrong. They lost their credibility and created sympathy for Palin in the process. Palin has shown she doesn't want or need anyone's sympathy, but she got it just the same, thanks to those who sought to destroy her.


2. Sarah Palin has connected with the American people. 37 million people heard her speak, in her own words, without interruption or editing from the Obamedia. It will be harder to make a scandal stick to someone America feels they know. Who ya gonna believe? The witty, down-to-earth straight talker with the beautiful family and the inspiring life story or the slimy rumor mongers who already tried to feed you a pack of lies?


3. People want someone to work to solve their problems. Are they going to be more likely to have a good opinion of a campaign that is addressing the problems they have or the campaign that appears to be obsessed with tearing their opponent apart?


4. The Obamedia has been exposed. Over the past year or more the media have fawned over Barack Obama. Over the past week the media have hit Sarah Palin with dozens of accusations based on little more than nutty leftwing hate site rumors. Recent polls show over 50 percent of the American public believe the media is trying to hurt Sarah Palin.


5. They just don't know how to do subtle. Instead of picking one or two really good scandals, they are throwing scores of them out there willy nilly, without fact checking or even, in some cases, bothering to read them in their entirety. One example is the list of books Palin supposedly banned -- the problem is that many of the books on the list were not even published yet when Palin supposedly banned them. Another accusation was that Palin cut funding for pregnant teens. Those circulating that one evidently were not so good at reading or at math. The document they presented as proof, actually showed an expansion of the program, but that did not keep the accusation from being reported by the Washington Post and the New York Times. Yet another accusation was that Palin cut funding for special needs children. Not true, and easily debunked in a matter of minutes with a Google search, yet it also was widely reported as fact and was even cited by Soledad O'Brien on CNN."


Why the Smears Won't Work (Wizbang)


Heh...must try harder there ray-baby!
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Old 10-09-2008, 05:38 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Can't be arsed to look back to see whether the failed PhD candidate has accused Palin in the Bridge to Nowhere deal but here's a bit of interesting information...heh.

"Sen. Biden and Sen. Obama voted for funding the Bridge, even when given a second chance by Sen. Tom Coburn, who proposed shifting earmark funds to Katrina relief."

Chicago Daily Observer | Obama and Biden Voted for Bridge to Nowhere

What, what, what?!!!
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Old 10-09-2008, 06:02 AM   #31 (permalink)
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^ The best part is that it's from a Chicago newspaper.
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Old 10-09-2008, 06:20 AM   #32 (permalink)
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I doubt there is much mileage in this 'scandal'. OK, if it is the case that she has inflated her expenses it does erode her credibility as an anti-corruption reformer somewhat, but I doubt many votes hang on this particular issue.

Lets face it, if you've had an expense account, well who hasn't fluffed their expenses a little bit?

The big Issue Sarah is facing is Troopergate. Her credibility as a presumptive VP and potential Pres in waiting is shattered if she did in fact improperly remove an Alaskan government Commissioner- indeed, in these circumstances I fail to see how she could be allowed to continue as VP if the investigation is concluded after the election, and the GOP wins (doubtful imo ). One to watch- and perhaps it explains what seemed to me inordinately good odds in the betting market that she would be withdrawn from the VP nomination.
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Old 10-09-2008, 06:27 AM   #33 (permalink)
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it's amusing how much you want this to be true despite all the evidence to the contrary. and don't think it hasn't gone unnoticed that this sort of thing is yoru default response when you're (quite often) on the ropes.
but hey, keep it up....i enjoy it....kind of like when you were calling me 'red carey'...implying that i was a (gasp!) communist.
it's comical.
and at times, you're unintentionally comical.
but mostly you're just boring.
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The best part is that it's from a Chicago newspaper
actually the 'best part' is that you have no idea what you're talking about (again)...it's a radical conservative blog started last year.....hmmmm....quite the coincidence.

people like jet who are quite ignorant about most things related to american politics are just who they were trying to dupe into thinking it's a chicago based newspaper.

jet....get better informed, and stop being such a rube.
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...all the evidence to the contrary. .
Ah, well, please elucidate us on the progress of your 'thesis' then ray-baby!
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ANCHORAGE - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.

The governor also has charged the state for travel expenses to take her children on official out-of-town missions. And her husband, Todd, has billed the state for expenses and a daily allowance for trips he makes on official business for his wife.
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The governor's daughters and husband charged the state $43,490 to travel and many of the trips were to and from their house in Wasilla and Juneau, the capital city 600 miles away, the documents show.
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She wrote some form of "Lodging -- own residence" or "Lodging -- Wasilla residence" more than 30 times at the same time she took a per diem, according to the reports. In two dozen undated amendments to the reports, the governor deleted the reference to staying in her home but still charged the per diem.
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Palin charged the state a per diem for working on Nov. 22, 2007 -- Thanksgiving Day. The reason given, according to the expense report, was the Great Alaska Shootout, an annual NCAA college basketball tournament held in Anchorage.
not only does this woman fire the guy who wouldn't fire her ex-brother in law, but it seems she's also dipping into public funds.

christ almighty, she took a per diem for dinner (IN HER OWN HOME) on 312 out ~570 days in office.....and she calls herself some sort of reformer?

and then the citizens of alaska are paying to fly her kids all over the country? i wonder if that 17 year old got knocked up while joining the mile high club on the taxpayer's dime?

too bad for mccain that he didn't take the time to vet her.

Palin's expense reports under scrutiny - Washington Post - MSNBC.com
Gov't per diem is payed when an employee is away from their place of work over night and not on vacation.
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^Ray wouldn't want to let Facts get in the way of a good smear though, would he?
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Well since she works in state capital, and her home is in Wasilla I dare say thats why she was paid per diem.
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Gov't per diem is payed when an employee is away from their place of work over night and not on vacation.
Her home is her place of work? I didn't know that.

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Ray wouldn't want to let Facts get in the way of a good smear though, would he?
The facts are she charged the state of Alaska per diem 312 days when she was in her home.

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Well since she works in state capital, and her home is in Wasilla I dare say thats why she was paid per diem.
Eh????
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Gov't per diem is payed when an employee is away from their place of work over night and not on vacation.
Her home is her place of work? I didn't know that.

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Ray wouldn't want to let Facts get in the way of a good smear though, would he?
The facts are she charged the state of Alaska per diem 312 days when she was in her home.

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Well since she works in state capital, and her home is in Wasilla I dare say thats why she was paid per diem.
Eh????
As governor her offical duty station is Juneau, but her family home is in Wasilla. Therefore any time she stays at her home she is actually concidered traveling by the state, and thus allowed to charge per diem.

How the duty station is classified and how per diem is paid out varies from state to state. This type of thing is actually pretty common in the state government - and very common in the military. But for elected state officals many times the system is just the opposite - they get per diem for every day they are staying in the state capitol rather than for every day they are staying in their home district. But not sure which would be more common for state governors. Most states have some form of per diem system and it is up to the those elected, the comptroller of the state, and/or the state auditor to figure out not only what is legally allowed to be charged, but what is practical as well.

I think the US congress debated starting some sort of per diem program for themselves back in 2000, '01, or maybe '02, but I don't think anything was ever passed.

All-in this one really won't get much coverage in the long run. It might rate some kind of passing comment in the VP debate - but I doubt it.
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