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Texpat

Oh please tell us more about Americans! We can't get enough of this.

Jet Gorgon

^ You are lovely, intelligent, cutting-edge, innovative, and have the best country on earth. Nigga.

sabang

What is it about Republican scaremongering? It's always something, isn't it.

John Kerry, actually decorated several times for actual bravery in actual combat- nope, of course he's not a hero. The true all American hero's are draft dodgers like Bush.

Obama- so we're moving away from the effete latte' liberal, and back to the Radical now are we? How exciting. Hey, did you know he's half black too?

You are preaching to an ever decreasing circle jerk of right wing moonbats and conspiracy theorists.

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sabang

So now Republicans are accusing Democrats of voter fraud??
Hint- Florida, Diebold. This is poetic.

You guys are getting absolutely desperate. The interesting question is why- do you really think the US of A is in better shape now than at the end of the Clinton years?

Jet Gorgon

I think many blacks don't want to hear that he's half white.
Check out the vids in my link on voter fraud, Sabang. Very tit for tat tho, innit?

sabang

Shall do Jet- but I find it very hard to believe it is as easy as you say to get a false voter registration in the US.

This is the opposite scenario to the 2000 elections, when the Rove strategists realised how critical Florida was, and allegedly with the tacit assistance of Gov. Jeb Bush prevented many qualified people (and no doubt others unqualified) from obtaining voter registration.

attaboy

The Democrats commit voter fraud by registering dead people, illegal immigrants, etc. In an attempt to counter Democrat fraud the Republicans petition to throw suspected unqualified names off of the voter rolls. Undoubtedly, legitimate registered voters get hurt in the process. One hopes that the efforts by both parties to influence the election are balanced out and that there is a decisive enough win to keep the claims of fraud from becoming an issue.

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sabang

Pot, kettle, black attaboy-

Timothy Griffin, Karl Rove's assistant, the President's pick as US Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas, was the hidden hand behind a scheme to wipe out the voting rights of 70,000 citizens prior to the 2004 election.

Key voters on Griffin's hit list: Black soldiers and homeless men and women. Nice guy, eh? Targeting voters where race is a factor is a felony crime under the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

In October 2004, our investigations team at BBC Newsnight received a series of astonishing emails from Mr. Griffin, then Research Director for the Republican National Committee. He didn't mean to send them to us. They were highly confidential memos meant only for RNC honchos.

However, Griffin made a wee mistake. Instead of sending the emails -- potential evidence of a crime -- to email addresses ending with the domain name "[at]GeorgeWBush.com" he sent them to "[at]GeorgeWBush.ORG." A website run by prankster John Wooden who owns "GeorgeWBush.org." When Wooden got the treasure trove of Rove-ian ravings, he sent them to us.

And we dug in, decoding, and mapping the voters on what Griffin called, "Caging" lists, spreadsheets with 70,000 names of voters marked for challenge. Overwhelmingly, these were Black and Hispanic voters from Democratic precincts.

The Griffin scheme was sickly brilliant. We learned that the RNC sent first-class letters to new voters in minority precincts marked, "Do not forward." Several sheets contained nothing but soldiers, other sheets, homeless shelters. Targets included the Jacksonville Naval Air Station in Florida and that city's State Street Rescue Mission. Another target, Edward Waters College, a school for African-Americans.

If these voters were not currently at their home voting address, they were tagged as "suspect" and their registration wiped out or their ballot challenged and not counted. Of course, these 'cages' captured thousands of students, the homeless and those in the military though they are legitimate voters.
We telephoned those on the hit list, including one Randall Prausa. His wife admitted he wasn't living at his voting address: Randall was a soldier shipped overseas.

Karl Rove's ssistant Busted in Scheme of Massive Voter Fraud

Thats one of the less publicised examples, Florida being the best known.
They busted themselves too notice- it was Republicans that accidentally sent the memo to the wrong hands, no 'Leak' or hearsay involved.

Truth be told, I don't see anyway that Obama can lose this election except voter fraud on a significant scale in strategic states (well, unless he's found to be a closet gay, or has fathered a love child with a white mistress ). Seeing as the evil genius Rove and his minions work for the GOP, I can only hope this is something that the Obama team is keeping a good watch on. It cost the Dem's the Presidency in the 2000 elections, thanks to Florida.

Given the course of history since then, that is absolutely no laughing matter.

Jet Gorgon

^ It thus continues in both camps, Sabang. Wouldn't soldiers need to register for absentee ballots?

Found these:
Florida Law Enforcement aAgency (basics)
The Basic Types Of Fraud Encountered:

FDLE's experience in recent years, including cases predating the 1993 and 1994 "Motor Voter" changes, suggests the areas that are "ripe" for potential fraud fall primarily into these categories:

• Voter Registration Fraud: – Minimal identification and citizenship proof requirements provide ample opportunity for voter registration fraud. This includes specialized "changes of address" done solely to allow a vote in a particular election, when in fact, no actual change of address has occurred.

• Absentee Ballot Fraud: – The desire to facilitate the opportunity for each person to vote has resulted in increased opportunity to use absentee ballots improperly. (Once one has registered fraudulently, he or she can obtain an absentee ballot for every election thereafter if he or she wishes. The lack of "in-person, at-the-polls" accountability makes absentee ballots the "tool of choice" for those inclined to commit voter fraud.)

• Illegally or Improperly "Assisting" Others To Vote Their Absentee Ballot: – Those inclined to do so can capitalize on others' access to an absentee ballot by voting their ballot for them, often with the actual voter not knowing what has occurred. This offers tremendous opportunity for vote fraud, particularly to those who have access to the ill or infirm or those who do not have the ability to resist the influence of another as they are urged to vote in a "required" manner. It also encourages those inclined to commit voter fraud to seek to utilize absentee ballots provided to those whose interest in voting is marginal or non-existent.

• Vote-Buying: - Securing votes by payment or other "rewards" or the "selling of one's vote"– is an age-old problem that still exists.

Florida Voter Fraud Issues

There are so many Dem/Rep sites quoting voter fraud, what to choose from? I like the ones where dead people are voting. Geez take your pick. I searched for democratic and then republican election fraud.

sabang

^ Whoever does it, whoever their vote goes to, I despise voter fraud.

Sadly, I am sure their are examples from both sides- Rove's was just on a more organised scale and, if you remove morals from the equation, smarter.

It makes a total mockery of the Democratic process, and the democratic ethos.

Jet Gorgon

^ From what I've been reading, it's more of the third-party affiliates doing most of this slime work on the parties' respective behalf.

jim1176

Yep, Karl Rove is a f'n twat

Boon Mee

Silencing Critics Using the Barack Obama Method: Ann Woolner

When WGN-AM Radio in Chicago scheduled a two-hour interview last week with David Freddoso, who wrote ``The Case Against Barack Obama,'' the campaign sent out an alarm to supporters, sparking an avalanche of angry phone calls to the station.

The case against Freddoso, according to the Obama Wire Alert, was that he's a ``card-carrying member of the right-wing smear machine.'' And by hosting him, WGN was giving a wider audience for Freddoso's ``baseless lies.''
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...the proper response in a democratic society isn't to scream at those who give an author a podium, to call the man names or jam a radio station's phone lines with angry callers.

If you value free speech, the proper response is to say yes, thanks, when the radio host invites your campaign to send someone to debate the enemy on the air.

Obama's campaign declined.
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Instead, it tries to shut them up.

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Boon Mee

Well, it's all a question of character isn't it? BO has too much baggage and it's catching up with him. This election is far from a cake-walk for this guy:

"Obama's radical pals shed light on his cynicism, his ruthlessness, and his tolerance for the obscene."

"Convicted felon Tony Rezko. Unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers. And the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright. It is hard to think of any presidential candidate before Barack Obama sporting associations with three more execrable characters. Yet let the McCain campaign raise the issue, and the mainstream media begin fulminating about dirty campaigning tinged with racism and McCarthyite guilt by association.

But associations are important. They provide a significant insight into character. They are particularly relevant in relation to a potential president as new, unknown, opaque, and self-contained as Obama. With the economy overshadowing everything, it may be too late politically to be raising this issue. But that does not make it, as conventional wisdom holds, in any way illegitimate."

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2JlODdmNmFiMDE3MDdlZjVkZWJiN2M0NDg1ZTMwZmE=

It ain't over 'till the rotund lady sings and she's not even warming up yet.

ChiangMai noon

Mcain sells his soul to the devil....

this is simply disgraceful behaviour from a desperate man and his ho.

Boon Mee

ChiangMai noon

Mcain is racist by association......

Boon Mee

Mr Earl

Yes indeed that was the point back then wasn't it? He get's my vote.

Can you imagine Johnny or Sarah inhaling?

pai nai ma

she popped hers so no need to inhale...

(referencing mrs mc)