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raycarey

awwwwww....did they get their feelings hurt? sniff, sniff.
jesus.
what a bunch of girls

i hope their constituents vote them out next month if they don't somehow manage to grow a pair between now and then.

Jet Gorgon

^ Yep. Had to watch the news and see what the party spouted, huh, ray? Do you snivel like Barney?

Boon Mee

Fine one to talk about 'growing a pair', eh?
He'd better check with Beth before spouting off like that again!

Norton

IMO, Barney did all right as it relates to his speech on the bill.

Perhaps, perhaps not. In any case, Pelosi's little partisan lecture was counter to her stated purpose of getting the bill passed in a nonpartisan forum. I have no time for members of either party who cannot put partisanship aside and get on with doing what is right for the country. For many reasons, I myself would have voted no on the bill but Nancy voted yes and stated it was a necessary step to prevent a national catasthophe. Her choice of words prior to the vote certainly didn't do much to help the yes side in preventing a "national catastrophe".

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Jet Gorgon

^ I was referring to Frank's statement after the bill failed. Something like if their feelings were hurt by Pelosi's speech, he will be uncharacteristically nice to the folks who made the bill fail. Uh huh. And what about the folks on his own banking committee that voted against it? Beside that, I figured ALL of the Dems would back it, but no. The Dems retorted that they got the number of yahs they promised and the Reps did not cough up the number they promised.
Still, they have to come up with something. I think the market was just happy that the nays realised what a stupid bill it was and that it gives Paulson almost unfettered power. Big mistake.

spiff

Which 'rules' apply to both Palin and my post? What double standard? I am genuinely puzzled by your response.

panama hat

Thank you . . .see, that's humour . . . and you fail again.




Pelosi has the right to make comments regarding the issues, and if Bush and Co find that disturbing then perhaps they should have listened to public opinion more often . . . maybe on the Iraq issue.

Why would you expect Pelosi to be utterly neutral?

Boon Mee

What a surprise... Fact check: Biden spins a helicopter tale.

panama hat

Considering he has given over 100 interviews in the last few months . . . yea, not gaffe-proof . . . I 'd hate to count other's if they werea llowed to give interviews - not naming any names.

I still think Biden is not a bad choice . . . not the best, but certainly not the worst. . . .that title was taken shortly after he was announced.

Jet Gorgon

Gosh, you just don't get it, do you? She's the house speaker. She's supposed to be rallying support from both sides to pass the bill, but NO, she just can't contain herself from attacking the other side (I would bet she was infuriated coz the Reps cut her pork projects; after all, the speech was not what her speechwriters scribbled previously). As usual, not a smart lady.

panama hat

You are the one that doesn't get it, jet . . . and seemingly won't . ..

Jet Gorgon

^ Can't see through the bamahaze, eh?

Norton

Given your own statements regarding the "libs" propensity for only being concerned with welfare recipients and the like at the expense of the business community (Wall Street), I'm not sure why you figured passing a GWB initiated bill which would bailout Wall Street would be unanimously supported by the "libs". On the other side of the isle, the Republicans failed to get even close to a majority of folks to vote yes on a GWB initiated bill which would benefit "business". The nay votes on both sides of the isle were driven by the overwhelming objection of their constituent's who believe the bill as initially proposed and then "modified" is fundamentally flawed and not needed. A conclusion I am in agreement with.

Jet Gorgon

^ He had to initiate something! Then look at all the pork projects added and the almost free rein given to Paulson. The Senate passed it today and the market dropped, unlike when it was opposed by the House and it rose. I do not consider the biz community to only encompass Wall Street. It's biz everywhere. People need credit to do business. Worry about the companies who employ people first. If they all fail, the gov is just bailing out people with no jobs or hope of jobs and it will never get its cash back.

Boon Mee

Quite a few like that, Jet.
After all, He's THE ONE!
The Messiah!

Boon Mee

Another totally wrong statement from Mad Joe “Foreign Policy Expert” Biden, who very obviously does not know the difference between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank:

Here’s what the president said when we said no. He insisted on elections on the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, “Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.” What happened? Hamas won.

The full debate transcript is here: Vice-Presidential Debate - Biden and Palin - Transcript.

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Norton

Of course, I agree but is the bill pre GWB's initial bill or post the right way to free up credit? Many other alternatives more palatable to the public. Citibank, JP Morgan and Warren Buffet seem to be on the right track. Why can't the Treasury come up with a similar approach. Buy into the failed lending organizations so some influence can be had over business decisions and reap the profits as share holders. This idea is only untenable because the "conservatives" would label it as nationalization of the lending organizations and we certainly can't have that even when the "consequence of inaction spell doom". Instead we have a bill which may not work to free up credit, and lacks any real control over the bailed out institutions.

Bad bills get nay votes. No need for anyone to jump on the Republicans or the Democrats who voted against it.

Norton

If this is the best the GOP can come up with to criticize Biden, it is an indication of desperation. Gaza or West Bank is not the point he was trying to make. The point, Hamas won the election that GWB was advised against insisting upon.

It might be noted that Palin didn't correct him but are we suprised.

Boon Mee

``Say it ain't so, Joe, there you go again pointing backward,'' Palin said at one point. ``Now, doggone it, let's look ahead and tell Americans what we have to plan to do for them in the future.''

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=agfv9hrJH9lE&refer=worldwide

Well, that's all he's got. Keep looking to the past w/out a plan for the future...Joe

Boon Mee

Joe Biden’s gaffes: Imagine if Sarah made them

“Biden’s largest gaffe of the night: I heard Biden state that Article 1 of the Constitution grants the Vice President his/her role. It is Article 2 that provides the Executive branch their enumerated powers. Article 1 is for the legislature.” --
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...compiled by the McCain camp

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.