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britmaveric · 24-09-2008, 12:26 PM

Palin has more experience than BO. One has to admit this is all fked up.

panama hat · 24-09-2008, 02:32 PM

Too true, and that's why Obama picked him to be his VP, but what's McCain's reason? Votes alone.

Cynical, very cynical.

I think Obama would have done better with a younger, less DC-linked person . . . but then he would have been hammered for neither having enough experience.

I think, to round it all up, it is all smoke and mirrors.

The 'maverick' McCain is not one

Palin 'the whatever' is not anything

Obama 'the people's representative' is not one

Biden 'hanger-on for the big change' is not that.

Milkman · 24-09-2008, 02:49 PM

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Too true, and that's why Obama picked him to be his VP, but what's McCain's reason? Votes alone.

Cynical, very cynical.

This is another reason for tuning out more than following this election.

The VPs were picked to get votes needed to win, and get the votes from the specific demographics needed.

More evidence of what a crock the whole election is.

Jet Gorgon · 25-09-2008, 12:12 AM

^ Yes. I also think Nader and Barr will act to upset vote counts in the states where they are on the ballot. Who will they nick from this time? Obama or McCain?

panama hat · 25-09-2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Yes. I also think Nader and Barr will act to upset vote counts in the states where they are on the ballot. Who will they nick from this time? Obama or McCain?

Ah, but these two are the real deal - they are not pandering to what they believe will get them elected, they are actually working on a platform they believe in and are therefore the most deserving candidates.

After all, where is it stated that only two parties should be alowed to run.

Boon Mee · 25-09-2008, 11:39 PM

Another day & another Mad Joe gaffe!

A complete idiot: "The media theme is Palin is unprepared and has zero knowledge of foreign affairs while Biden has decades of experience. So why does Biden sound like a complete idiot? . . . Dan Quayle is still a punchline 20 years later. Joe Biden gets a free pass."

attaboy · 26-09-2008, 12:25 AM

Joe Biden taking a shot at Bush:

And last night, in an interview with “CBS Evening News,” Biden misspoke when he told anchor Katie Couric that today's leaders should take a lesson from the history books and follow former President Franklin D. Roosevelt'sresponse to a previous national financial crisis.

Declared Biden: “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'”

What's wrong with that, some might ask?

Well, for starters Republican Herbert Hoover was president when the stock market crashed in October 1929. Second, Roosevelt didn't take office until four years later. And, not to be picky, but there were also no televisions in use at the time. Radio was Roosevelt's favored medium.

Joe Biden's history lesson off by 4 years and 1 president but otherwise pretty accurate | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times

"A lesson from the history books", we know Biden is flip with the facts. Being in the general area of the facts is 'close enough for government work' as they say.

Boon Mee · 27-09-2008, 04:08 AM

Just check out the spittle flying outa Mad Joe's mouth!

Tanis · 30-09-2008, 12:51 AM

In all fairness there should be a Joe Biden thread since there is a Palininsanty thread. I am laughing very hard after reading some of his latest "gaffes".

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On the stump, Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden likes to say that John McCain is disconnected from ordinary Americans. But lately it seems like Biden is the one who's "out of touch"--at least with his own campaign.

When Barack Obama selected Biden as his running mate late last month, the punditocracy immediately predicted that the Delaware senator's predilection for saying stupid stuff at regular intervals--the term of art is "gaffe machine," I believe--would prove detrimental to his new boss's presidential bid. Until now, though, Biden's loose tongue hasn't been much of problem. It's not that he hasn't slipped up on occasion; he has, after all, admitted that Hillary Clinton "might have been a better [veep] pick" and asked the wheelchair-bound Missouri politician Chuck Graham to "stand up" at a rally. But so far, Biden's bloopers have been eclipsed by the planet-sized celebrity phenomenon known to us earthlings as Sarah Palin--a good thing for the body politic, given that most of his mistakes to date have been of the "totally irrelevant but typically distracting" variety.
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Not anymore. In the past few days--just as Palinsanity has begun to die down--Biden has made a series of strange public statements that suggest he's either at odds with Obama on key policy issues or that he isn't aware of what Obama believes. Individually, they've served to cloud Obama's message on matters of substance; taken together, they suggest that someone in Chicago should give the guy a good talking to. If he or she can get a word in edgewise, that is.

Biden's string of slip-ups started last Monday. Asked by NBC's Meredith Vieira whether the Fed should bail out insurance giant AIG, the senator said no: "I don't think they should be bailed out by the federal government." Unfortunately, the remark had more in common with McCain's initial position on the bailout (instinctive opposition) than Obama's carefully cultivated claim that he would not "second-guess" the government. When the bailout went through, both Biden and McCain bowed to reality. But the shift left Obama in a tricky position--as Matt Lauer pointed out this morning on "Today." Noting that Obama had been hitting McCain for flip-flopping on the AIG bailout, Lauer asked the Illinois senator how he could criticize his Republican rival when his own running mate had made the same mistake. His answer? "I think Joe should have waited, as well." Awkward.

The past few days have been even worse. Speaking Thursday on ABC's "Good Morning America," Biden not only acknowledged that the wealthy would pay higher taxes if if he and Obama won the White House but said that doing so would be "patriotic." "It's time to be patriotic," he said. "Time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut." Whether or not you agree with that sentiment, emphasizing that Obama would raise rates on rich folks (instead of saying that he'd lower them on the middle-classes) was clearly off-message--and the "patriotism" sound bite gave the GOP something catchy to hang its "redistribution of wealth" hat on. Accompanied by a

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, McCain's response was scathing: "Raising taxes in a tough economy isn't patriotic. It's not a badge of honor. It's just dumb policy." Expect to hear more on Biden's idea of patriotism before Nov. 4.

Incredibly, though, the senator seems to have saved the worst for last. Asked last night by Katie Couric on the "CBS Evening News," Biden delivered what has to be most off-message statement yet: that one of his campaign's own ads--the spot released earlier this month mocking McCain for not being able to use a computer--was "terrible." "I didn't know we did it and if I had anything to do with it, we would have never done it," he said. The campaign was soon forced to issue a less-than-convincing clarification in Biden's name. (Apparently he'd "never seen" the ad.") Meanwhile, video surfaced this morning of Biden telling a rope-line environmentalist in Ohio that he and Obama "are not supporting clean coal" in America--even though Obama, well, is. McCain quickly pounced, using Biden's error to pivot away from Wall Street and make the case that Democrats don't support comprehensive energy solutions; conference calls and ads are in the works. Biden may have opposed the technology in the primaries--he's on record as saying "clean-coal ... is not the route to go in the United States"--but he should probably brush up on his briefing books (or pay attention to his own speeches) now that his boss disagrees.

Don't get me wrong. I think that the GOP should take a page from Chicago's book and stop sequestering Palin from the press and the public as if she were a show pony instead of a potential vice president. And I hate that "gaffes"--often little more than trivialities--tend to dominate the political conversation in this country. But Biden's latest spree is more than an irrelevant testament to his uncontrollable verbosity. It's actually making Obama's message on substantive matters like taxes, energy, AIG and McCain more difficult to hear. In an election, that hurts the candidate more than anyone else. But what happens if Obama and Biden are elected? Having a vice president who's eager to hold forth on any subject--even when what he's saying bears no relation to administration policy--could get pretty complicated. Distracting a campaign is one thing. Distracting a president, a political party and, by extension, the country? Awkward doesn't quite cover it.

In the primaries, the senator showed an admirable sense of self-conscious restraint. Asked during the first Democratic debate whether he'd have the "discipline" he'd "need on the world stage," Biden delivered the perfect answer: "

Yes

." Nothing more, nothing less.

Obama might want to remind him of that exchange the next time they talk.

Gov Palin will own this windbag in their debate.

Bung · 30-09-2008, 01:39 AM

*Yawn*

spiff · 30-09-2008, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tanis

In all fairness there should be a Joe Biden thread

There is.

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Biden's string of slip-ups started last Monday. Asked by NBC's Meredith Vieira whether the Fed should bail out insurance giant AIG, the senator said no:<b> "I don't think they should be bailed out by the federal government." Unfortunately, the remark had more in common with McCain's initial position on the bailout (instinctive opposition)...

How dreadful! Biden had the initial reaction that the gov should not bail out AIG! A major 'gaffe' which will make him extremely unpopular, I am sure. LOL

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Palin will own this windbag in their debate.

Sure...LOL

DrivingForce · 30-09-2008, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spiff

How dreadful! Biden had the initial reaction that the gov should not bail out AIG! A major 'gaffe' which will make him extremely unpopular, I am sure. LOL

yes it was since it was against HIS candidates opinion, he is not running for the top office and should have approved his position with HIS candidate first..he ain't top dog in this and he's having issues with accepting that already..

if that were a major unified position to be taken during an international negotiation or conflict of some sort with them in office it could have stirred some major shite..

spiff · 30-09-2008, 02:46 AM

This is hardly an international negotiation, and Obama is not the president (yet). I would have thought having an opinion of one's own would be a plus?

Oh well, another storm in a tea-cup...

Boon Mee · 30-09-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tanis

In all fairness there should be a Joe Biden thread

There is one here...

http://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...joe-biden.html (Joe Biden)

sabang · 30-09-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tanis

In all fairness there should be a Joe Biden thread since there is a Palininsanty thread. I am laughing very hard after reading some of his latest "gaffes".

It is a rule of Issues that you provide a Link to the material you are quoting Tanis- could you do so please?

Have merged with the existing Joe Biden thread- thanks for the URL booner, that saved some time.

As for the 'Gaffes', well how trivial. Another reason I'm curious to see the Link is because I'd like to know which right wing rag bothered publishing such inanity. Biden has made some good gaffes in his time, but none to be found in that article.

Palin own Biden in their debate? Well she's got her chance, but if her interviews with Katie Couric are any indication she's way out of her depth. You're clearly one of those Staunch Republicans.

Jet Gorgon · 30-09-2008, 09:59 AM

^ It's going to be tough for Palin in that debate unless she is properly groomed and Biden sticks his foot in several times to offset her weaknesses. Bladdy h*ll, just what is needed when the markets are imploding.

aging one · 30-09-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Bladdy h*ll, just what is needed when the markets are imploding.

That is one smart statement. Sums up my thoughts exactly. But its part of the parcel we have now.

Jet Gorgon · 30-09-2008, 10:06 AM

^ All we need now is for Russia or North Korea to lob a nuke somewhere. Icing on the sh*t cake.

raycarey · 30-09-2008, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ All we need now is for Russia or North Korea to lob a nuke somewhere. Icing on the sh*t cake.

and who baked the shit cake jet?

bush, mccain, and the republicans pushed through deregulation of the banking industry.
bush looked into putin's eyes and saw his soul.
the bush administration got totally out maneuvered by the n. koreans.
bush got the country bogged down in two wars so the military couldn't respond militarily to either n.korea or russia if they did decide to do anything.

but i have little doubt that you'll somehow find a way to blame the 'liberals', just like boon mee will find a way to blame it all on jane fonda and jimmy carter.

Jet Gorgon · 30-09-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ All we need now is for Russia or North Korea to lob a nuke somewhere. Icing on the sh*t cake.

and who baked the shit cake jet?

The Democrats under Clinton. That's where the Fannie/Freddie mess started. "Hey, low-income/welfare case, you too can own a home! No down payment and the govt will insure your payments."

25-09-2008, 11:39 PM	#126 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 05:03 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,863	Another day & another Mad Joe gaffe! A complete idiot: "The media theme is Palin is unprepared and has zero knowledge of foreign affairs while Biden has decades of experience. So why does Biden sound like a complete idiot? . . . Dan Quayle is still a punchline 20 years later. Joe Biden gets a free pass." __________________ ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก

26-09-2008, 12:25 AM	#127 (permalink)
attaboy Elite Member Last Online: 01-11-2009 06:53 AM Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,908	Joe Biden taking a shot at Bush: And last night, in an interview with “CBS Evening News,” Biden misspoke when he told anchor Katie Couric that today's leaders should take a lesson from the history books and follow former President Franklin D. Roosevelt'sresponse to a previous national financial crisis. Declared Biden: “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened.'” What's wrong with that, some might ask? Well, for starters Republican Herbert Hoover was president when the stock market crashed in October 1929. Second, Roosevelt didn't take office until four years later. And, not to be picky, but there were also no televisions in use at the time. Radio was Roosevelt's favored medium. Joe Biden's history lesson off by 4 years and 1 president but otherwise pretty accurate \| Top of the Ticket \| Los Angeles Times "A lesson from the history books", we know Biden is flip with the facts. Being in the general area of the facts is 'close enough for government work' as they say. __________________ As a kid I always thought my nickname was "attaboy" until I realized they were rooting for the dog: "Attaboy, get 'em! Get 'em!".

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24-09-2008, 12:26 PM	#121 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 3,921	Palin has more experience than BO. One has to admit this is all fked up.

24-09-2008, 02:32 PM	#122 (permalink)
panama hat Selamat Datang Last Online: Today 09:17 AM Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South of the border now - thank God! Posts: 7,640	Too true, and that's why Obama picked him to be his VP, but what's McCain's reason? Votes alone. Cynical, very cynical. I think Obama would have done better with a younger, less DC-linked person . . . but then he would have been hammered for neither having enough experience. I think, to round it all up, it is all smoke and mirrors. The 'maverick' McCain is not one Palin 'the whatever' is not anything Obama 'the people's representative' is not one Biden 'hanger-on for the big change' is not that.

25-09-2008, 12:12 AM	#124 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Yesterday 11:18 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,428	^ Yes. I also think Nader and Barr will act to upset vote counts in the states where they are on the ballot. Who will they nick from this time? Obama or McCain?

27-09-2008, 04:08 AM	#128 (permalink)
Boon Mee Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 05:03 AM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 12,863	Just check out the spittle flying outa Mad Joe's mouth!

30-09-2008, 01:39 AM	#130 (permalink)
Bung Tounguin for a beer. Last Online: Today 08:45 AM Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wat Bung Posts: 1,760	Yawn

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spiff Impregnator Last Online: 31-07-2009 02:13 PM Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: amidst dogs and ducks Posts: 2,735	This is hardly an international negotiation, and Obama is not the president (yet). I would have thought having an opinion of one's own would be a plus? Oh well, another storm in a tea-cup...

30-09-2008, 09:59 AM	#136 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Yesterday 11:18 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,428	^ It's going to be tough for Palin in that debate unless she is properly groomed and Biden sticks his foot in several times to offset her weaknesses. Bladdy h*ll, just what is needed when the markets are imploding.

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Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Yesterday 11:18 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,428	^ All we need now is for Russia or North Korea to lob a nuke somewhere. Icing on the sh*t cake.

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