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raycarey · 07-11-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Only the morons are still blabering on about baby seals, wolves, clothes, and where africa is

so now according to earl, every senior member of the mccain campaign is a moron......and btw, who do you think they're speaking on behalf of?

Thormaturge · 08-11-2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Palin wasn't a major factor in the defeat. The economic meltdown and the lame Republican/McCain response to it killed them.

This is exactly as I see it.

McCain, the supposed maverick, had a golden opportunity to distance himself from Bush when he put forward the $ 700bn bailout plan. Bush was seated in the centre with McCain to his right nd Obama to his left. Both candidates keen to be seen as part of the big deal.

It occurred to me at the time that this was the golden opportuity for one candidate to distance himself from the plan and from Bush, but they both sat there like dummies.

Subsequently the plan has been approved, but interest rates have had to be pared back even further and still nothing has really improved. Obama faces an even worse situation in that there can't be a second bailout and the interest rate weapon has now been exhausted. It's going to get whole lot worse before anything improves.

panama hat · 08-11-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Palin wasn't a major factor in the defeat. The economic meltdown and the lame Republican/McCain response to it killed them.

Only the morons are still blabering on about baby seals, wolves, clothes, and where africa is.

What rubbish, Earl = the McCain camp is salivating in their criticism of Palin . . .

Oh, and we shouldn't be too harsh on Palin not knowing that Africa is a continent, she can't see it from her living room window . . . so it doesn't exist

Mr Earl · 08-11-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by panama hat

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What rubbish, Earl = the McCain camp is salivating in their criticism of Palin . . .

Au contraire, MSM is pilling on the Palin criticism hoping something sticks. They're still terrified of her. She's the great white hope for the GOP come 2012.

foreigner · 08-11-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

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Originally Posted by panama hat

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What rubbish, Earl = the McCain camp is salivating in their criticism of Palin . . .

Au contraire, MSM is pilling on the Palin criticism hoping something sticks. They're still terrified of her. She's the great white hope for the GOP come 2012.

she has not denied any of the 'hillbilly shopper or Africa is a country' allegations .. "I will not comment" is not a response.

she is an 'evangelical genius' (in the style of hukabee) that makes W look competent.
my hope is that she splits the GOP between thinking conservatives & the noah's ark bunch.
she & her knowledge of geography is representative of the evangelical home schooled.

i did not say she was home schooled, but that she meets the 'informational competence' required by the '2 kangaroos got on the ark' bunch.
education & data determined in the past 2100 years is meaningless to the 'grand canyon was formed by noah's flood dopes' that is HER base

IMHO, evangelicals should be barred from public office .. too F'n crazy.

RPETER65 · 09-11-2008, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by foreigner

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

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Originally Posted by panama hat

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What rubbish, Earl = the McCain camp is salivating in their criticism of Palin . . .

Au contraire, MSM is pilling on the Palin criticism hoping something sticks. They're still terrified of her. She's the great white hope for the GOP come 2012.

she has not denied any of the 'hillbilly shopper or Africa is a country' allegations .. "I will not comment" is not a response.

she is an 'evangelical genius' (in the style of hukabee) that makes W look competent.
my hope is that she splits the GOP between thinking conservatives & the noah's ark bunch.
she & her knowledge of geography is representative of the evangelical home schooled.

i did not say she was home schooled, but that she meets the 'informational competence' required by the '2 kangaroos got on the ark' bunch.
education & data determined in the past 2100 years is meaningless to the 'grand canyon was formed by noah's flood dopes' that is HER base

IMHO, evangelicals should be barred from public office .. too F'n crazy.

I am sure you will have to admit all that rubish about evangelicals is strictly opinion

panama hat · 09-11-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

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Originally Posted by panama hat

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What rubbish, Earl = the McCain camp is salivating in their criticism of Palin . . .

Au contraire, MSM is pilling on the Palin criticism hoping something sticks. They're still terrified of her. She's the great white hope for the GOP come 2012.

Au contraire to your contraire:

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Palin fires back at leaks

Sat, Nov 08, 2008
Reuters WASHINGTON - ALASKA Governor Sarah Palin fired back on Friday against post-election claims by aides to Republican presidential candidate John McCain that she thought Africa was a country, not a continent, calling the anonymous sources 'jerks'.
Mrs Palin, Mr McCain's running mate in their unsuccessful White House campaign, told CNN the allegation 'is not true'. She said the leaks could have come from people who helped her with preparation for her debate against Democratic vice-presidential candidate Joe Biden.
She said she remembered having conversations during debate preparation about Africa and the North American Free Trade Agreement (Nafta).

A Fox News report cited unidentified campaign sources who said Mrs Palin did not know Africa was a continent and could not name the three countries in Nafta - the United States, Canada and Mexico. 'I think if there are allegations based on questions or comments that I made in debate prep about Nafta or about the continent versus the country when we talk about Africa there, then those were taken out of context, and that is cruel and mean-spirited, it's immature, it's unprofessional, and those guys are jerks,' Mrs Palin said.
It's not fair and it's not right,' she said.
She also described accusations that she spent exorbitant amounts of money on clothes for the campaign as 'sexist'. -- REUTERS

Palin fires back at leaks

But I do hope she is the candidate for 2012 . . . we'll have more to laugh at

Jet Gorgon · 08-11-2008, 06:59 AM

^ Ain't gonna happen, IMO. BO will put in his own clan members.

Milkman · 08-11-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Ain't gonna happen, IMO. BO will put in his own clan members.

Only a couple. The short list for some positions are of people with experience in Washington, because they know how Washington works. Some were in the Clinton administration. Other appointments may be familiar to us.

raycarey · 08-11-2008, 12:16 PM

but, but, but....she has 'executive' experience.

Panda · 08-11-2008, 02:38 PM

Sarra Who???

Milkman · 08-11-2008, 05:31 PM

This is a statistically polled fact:

Palin was a drag on the ticket. The poll numbers show this.

How many independents were lost by Mccain, and whether it mattered, I don't know

After the Kouric interview there is a dip, and this dip continued.

Also, McCain's age magnified the sifnificance of his VP pick, Palin, who many felt was not knowledgable enough nor qualified to be President (nor VP).

spiff · 08-11-2008, 09:36 PM

That ignorant god-fearing country pumpkin is only fit to serve in a MILF movie.

HungryHeart · 09-11-2008, 12:32 PM

The amount of money spent outfitting her for the presidential race is reportedly higher than the $150,000 revealed in party accounting, as campaign sources said this week that Ms. Palin instructed aides to purchase some items on their personal credit cards.
One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported sum, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband.
Ms. Palin's seven-year-old daughter, Piper, was also photographed during the campaign carrying a $790 Louis Vuitton bag.
But the former VP candidate has not just been accused of fashion crimes. Her critics have unleashed an array of bizarre and damning charges against her, painting her as volatile, unreasonable and grossly ill informed.
One story suggests Ms. Palin met with high-ranking campaign officials in her hotel room wearing only a towel, while another reports that she refused to accept help preparing for the disastrous interview with Katie Couric of CBS.

read more about the republican sadness

globeandmail.com: McCain aides let loose on Palin's 'Wasilla hillbillies'

Texpat · 09-11-2008, 12:46 PM

Morning after tabloid drivel.

Finger pointing by low-level functionaries who had dreams of six-fig salaries and a five-bedroom house in Foggy Bottom.

Milkman · 09-11-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

Morning after tabloid drivel.

Finger pointing by low-level functionaries who had dreams of six-fig salaries and a five-bedroom house in Foggy Bottom.

Doesn't matter who's pointing fingers.

This $790 hand bag for a 7 year old will HURT Palin.

Her image is declining. This might be done right now to quell any potential of her in 2012.

The planning and preparation for the next Presidential election takes place the day after an election.

If Palin in series she'll send out some polling trial balloon and form a Presidential committee to study many things.

IMO, she cannot help the GOP at all, but only hurt it.

I expect to hear more negative stories about Palin.

She is not likeable. Likeability is an important factor in politics. Ask Hillary, Guiliani, and Phil Gramm., and Newt Gringrich.

High negative ratings in polls sink the seeds of a politician.

panama hat · 09-11-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

Morning after tabloid drivel.

Finger pointing by low-level functionaries who had dreams of six-fig salaries and a five-bedroom house in Foggy Bottom.

It is much more than that and you know it - Palin is a political leper, no prominent GOP leader would hook up with her
.

Anyway, one week is a long time in politics . . . let alone 4 years

Bexar County Stud · 09-11-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

Finger pointing by low-level functionaries who had dreams of six-fig salaries and a five-bedroom house in Foggy Bottom.

Yeah maybe, except now she is getting called out by the Secret Service, a damning indictment if there ever was one:

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Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama (Telegraph UK)

The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.

The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.

But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.

Michelle Obama, the future First Lady, was so upset that she turned to her friend and campaign adviser Valerie Jarrett and said: "Why would they try to make people hate us?"

The revelations, contained in a Newsweek history of the campaign, are likely to further damage Mrs Palin's credentials as a future presidential candidate. She is already a frontrunner, with Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, to take on Mr Obama in four years time.

Details of the spike in threats to Mr Obama come as a report last week by security and intelligence analysts Stratfor, warned that he is a high risk target for racist gunmen. It concluded: "Two plots to assassinate Obama were broken up during the campaign season, and several more remain under investigation. We would expect federal authorities to uncover many more plots to attack the president that have been hatched by white supremacist ideologues."

Irate John McCain aides, who blame Mrs Palin for losing the election, claim Mrs Palin took it upon herself to question Mr Obama's patriotism, before the line of attack had been cleared by Mr McCain.

That claim is part of a campaign of targeted leaks designed to torpedo her ambitions, with claims that she did not know that Africawas a continent rather than a country.

The advisers have branded her a "diva" and a "whack job" and claimed that she did not know which other countries are in the North American Free Trade Area, (Canada and Mexico). They say she spent more than $150,000 on designer clothes, including $40,000 on her husband Todd and that she refused to prepare for the disastrous series of interviews with CBS's Katie Couric.

In a bid to salvage her reputation Mrs Palin came out firing in an interview with CNN, dismissing the anonymous leakers in unpresidential language as "jerks" who had taken "questions or comments I made in debate prep out of context."

She said: "I consider it cowardly. It's not true. That's cruel, it's mean-spirited, it's immature, it's unprofessional and those guys are jerks if they came away taking things out of context and then tried to spread something on national news that's not fair and not right."

She was not asked about her incendiary rhetoric against Mr Obama. But she did deny the spending spree claims, saying the clothes in question had been returned to the Republican National Committee. "Those are the RNC's clothes, they're not my clothes. I asked for anything more than maybe a diet Dr Pepper once in a while. These are false allegations."

Speaking as she returned to her native Alaska, Mrs Palin claimed to be baffled by what she claims was sexism on the national stage. "Here in Alaska that double standard isn't applied because these guys know that Alaskan women are pretty tough, on a par with the men in terms of being outdoors, working hard," she said.

"They're commercial fishermen, they're pilots, they're working up on the North slopein the oil fields. You see equality in Alaska. I think that was a bit of as surprise on the national level."

attaboy · 12-11-2008, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bexar County Stud

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texpat

Finger pointing by low-level functionaries who had dreams of six-fig salaries and a five-bedroom house in Foggy Bottom.

Yeah maybe, except now she is getting called out by the Secret Service, a damning indictment if there ever was one:

Quote:

Sarah Palin blamed by the US Secret Service over death threats against Barack Obama (Telegraph UK)

The Republican vice presidential candidate attracted criticism for accusing Mr Obama of "palling around with terrorists", citing his association with the sixties radical William Ayers.

The attacks provoked a near lynch mob atmosphere at her rallies, with supporters yelling "terrorist" and "kill him" until the McCain campaign ordered her to tone down the rhetoric.

But it has now emerged that her demagogic tone may have unintentionally encouraged white supremacists to go even further.

The Secret Service warned the Obama family in mid October that they had seen a dramatic increase in the number of threats against the Democratic candidate, coinciding with Mrs Palin's attacks.

Michelle Obama, the future First Lady, was so upset that she turned to her friend and campaign adviser Valerie Jarrett and said: "Why would they try to make people hate us?"

The revelations, contained in a Newsweek history of the campaign, are likely to further damage Mrs Palin's credentials as a future presidential candidate. She is already a frontrunner, with Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, to take on Mr Obama in four years time.

Details of the spike in threats to Mr Obama come as a report last week by security and intelligence analysts Stratfor, warned that he is a high risk target for racist gunmen. It concluded: "Two plots to assassinate Obama were broken up during the campaign season, and several more remain under investigation. We would expect federal authorities to uncover many more plots to attack the president that have been hatched by white supremacist ideologues."

Irate John McCain aides, who blame Mrs Palin for losing the election, claim Mrs Palin took it upon herself to question Mr Obama's patriotism, before the line of attack had been cleared by Mr McCain.

That claim is part of a campaign of targeted leaks designed to torpedo her ambitions, with claims that she did not know that Africawas a continent rather than a country.

The advisers have branded her a "diva" and a "whack job" and claimed that she did not know which other countries are in the North American Free Trade Area, (Canada and Mexico). They say she spent more than $150,000 on designer clothes, including $40,000 on her husband Todd and that she refused to prepare for the disastrous series of interviews with CBS's Katie Couric.

In a bid to salvage her reputation Mrs Palin came out firing in an interview with CNN, dismissing the anonymous leakers in unpresidential language as "jerks" who had taken "questions or comments I made in debate prep out of context."

She said: "I consider it cowardly. It's not true. That's cruel, it's mean-spirited, it's immature, it's unprofessional and those guys are jerks if they came away taking things out of context and then tried to spread something on national news that's not fair and not right."

She was not asked about her incendiary rhetoric against Mr Obama. But she did deny the spending spree claims, saying the clothes in question had been returned to the Republican National Committee. "Those are the RNC's clothes, they're not my clothes. I asked for anything more than maybe a diet Dr Pepper once in a while. These are false allegations."

Speaking as she returned to her native Alaska, Mrs Palin claimed to be baffled by what she claims was sexism on the national stage. "Here in Alaska that double standard isn't applied because these guys know that Alaskan women are pretty tough, on a par with the men in terms of being outdoors, working hard," she said.

"They're commercial fishermen, they're pilots, they're working up on the North slopein the oil fields. You see equality in Alaska. I think that was a bit of as surprise on the national level."

October 17
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded

By Andrew M. Seder aseder[at]timesleader.com
Staff Writer

SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.

The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."

News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.

Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.

“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.
He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.
Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”

“We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
Hackett said he did not hear the remark.

Slavoski said Singleton was interviewed Wednesday and stood by his story but couldn’t give a description of the man because he didn’t see him he only heard him.
When contacted Wednesday afternoon, Singleton referred questions to Times-Tribune Metro Editor Jeff Sonderman. Sonderman said, “We stand by the story. The facts reported are true and that’s really all there is.”

Slavoski said the agents take such threats or comments seriously and immediately opened an investigation but after due diligence “as far as we’re concerned it’s closed unless someone comes forward.” He urged anyone with knowledge of the alleged incident to call him at 346-5781. “We’ll run at all leads,” he said.

Milkman · 09-11-2008, 01:14 PM

This OP should go in the Sarah Palin threads.

There are too many redundant threads.

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HungryHeart I am in Jail Last Online: 15-11-2008 10:08 PM Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 76	Sarah Palin - Hillbilly Whitetrash Looter The amount of money spent outfitting her for the presidential race is reportedly higher than the $150,000 revealed in party accounting, as campaign sources said this week that Ms. Palin instructed aides to purchase some items on their personal credit cards. One aide estimated that she spent "tens of thousands" more than the reported sum, and that $20,000 to $40,000 went to buy clothes for her husband. Ms. Palin's seven-year-old daughter, Piper, was also photographed during the campaign carrying a $790 Louis Vuitton bag. But the former VP candidate has not just been accused of fashion crimes. Her critics have unleashed an array of bizarre and damning charges against her, painting her as volatile, unreasonable and grossly ill informed. One story suggests Ms. Palin met with high-ranking campaign officials in her hotel room wearing only a towel, while another reports that she refused to accept help preparing for the disastrous interview with Katie Couric of CBS. read more about the republican sadness globeandmail.com: McCain aides let loose on Palin's 'Wasilla hillbillies'

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