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raycarey · 30-08-2008, 10:40 PM

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Do you feel ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?
SARAH: Absolutely. Yup, yup. Especially with a good team around us.

John McCain & Sarah Palin on Shattering the Glass Ceiling - Page 2 - John McCain : People.com

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raycarey · 31-08-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Linkies?

her anti-choice position is well known (in fact, it's the main reason she got the nod), and links have already been posted about the sordid criminal investigation she is tangled up in.

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

And probably figure she should have aborted the last child when it was diagnosed in the womb as having Down's. Boy. You lefties appall me

so you're 'appalled' by something you think i 'probably figure'.

raycarey · 31-08-2008, 10:59 AM

not saying it's true, but there's a rumor spreading across the internet.....that 5 month old kid isn't hers....it belongs to her 17 year old daughter.

time will tell.

Bugs · 31-08-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

not saying it's true, but there's a rumor spreading across the internet.....that 5 month old kid isn't hers....it belongs to her 17 year old daughter.

time will tell.

I highly doubt this claim. As the youngest has Down's Syndrome and Palin has an amniocentesis in something like the fourth month and knew the baby was going to be born with Down's.

raycarey · 31-08-2008, 11:15 AM

from march...

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SEVEN MONTHS ALONG: Even her staff was unaware that the first family was expecting a fifth child.
By WESLEY LOY

JUNEAU -- Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she's expecting her fifth child.

The governor, who recently turned 44, told a handful of reporters as she was leaving work to expect a new member of the first family, then headed to a reception at the Baranof Hotel to feast on king crab.

Palin said she's already about seven months along, with the baby due to arrive in mid-May.

That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim, simply doesn't look pregnant.

Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.

"I thought it was becoming obvious," Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger."

But people just couldn't believe the news.

"Really? No!" said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself.

"It's wonderful. She's very well-disguised," said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. "When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child."

Anchorage Daily News

she was in her 7th month, and the people who work with her every day didn't notice she was pregnant?

oh btw, the daughter apparently missed 4-5 months from school....with 'mono'.

Bugs · 31-08-2008, 11:57 AM

Off the top I did not think the Palin choice was a good move, and I am still not sold on it. From a political point of view with the exception of her abortion views, nothing I have seen or read about her give me much of a reason to dislike her. The pick certainly seems to have given the McCain campaign much more media coverage than he was likely to get a Romney or Pawlenty pick.

I don’t think her age or experience will have a drastic impact on things, but I am sure Obama will try to use this. Having someone with little experience on the bottom half of the ticket is not quite the same as having someone with little experience on the top half of the ticket.

Much of the negative I have seen, heard, read has not really been on issues that matter much to me, as they relate to politics – with the exception of her lack of experience.

I think this move was an attempt to pacify the far right (in particular the right to life group) while at the same time being targeted towards Hillary supporters. I think it will shore up McCain support on the far right, and might actually get more of them to vote rather than stay home in Nov. I have my doubts has to how effective this will be in appealing to Hillary supporters. A few of them are going to vote for McCain regardless – simply out of spite. But the vast majority will either stay home, or end up voting for Obama. One thing is for sure I would not have wanted to be in the same building as Hillary when she heard who John boy picked for his VP.

Here is an interesting poll that indicates Palin has actually been a bigger hit with guys than with the ladies.

Surprise? First Two National Polls Find Palin Gains LESS Support from Women

Democratic women - 9% gain for McCain - 15% loss, but let's face it this is blue team women. The 15% less likely were probably not going to vote for him anyway.

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Here's a finding from Gallup: Among Democratic women -- including those who may be disappointed that Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic nomination -- 9% say Palin makes them more likely to support McCain, 15% less likely.

Getting a third of the folks saying they are more likely to vote for McCain now ain't all bad. But the negative on her experience is pretty clear.

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From Rasmussen: Some 38% of men said they were more likely to vote for McCain now, but only 32% of women. By a narrow 41% to 35% margin, men said she was not ready to be president -- but women soundly rejected her, 48% to 25%.

9% is a pretty low number, but these are Obama supporters - not the target of the move. The target right now is independents, and Hillary supporters. I doubt 1% of McCain supporters would have said the Biden pick would make it more likely they would vote for Obama.

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Only 9% of Obama supporters said they might be more likely to vote for McCain.

Here is where the men let is be known they are still affraid to be labled as sexist.

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Overall, voters expressed a favorable impression of her by a 53/26 margin, but there was a severe gender gap on this: Men embraced her at 58% to 23%, while for women it was 48/30.

Another bit showing that her lack of experience is probably her weakest point.

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And by a 29/44 margin, men and women together, they do not believe that she is ready to be President.

These numbers probably reflect not only Palin, but also the effects of the convention - and likely is more than the less likely.

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As for voters not affiliated with either major party, 37% are more likely to vote for McCain and 28% less likely to do so.

Still pretty early to read anyting into the polls. About the only thing they might gauge is folks off-the-hip response to the McCain pick. And it appears it has been more good than bad.

benbaaa · 31-08-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Norton

IMO she will have little effect on bringing disgruntled Hillary supporters to the Republican side.

I disagree. I think the gun-toting, anti-women's choice, pro-trickle down Hillary supporters will now be flocking to the Republican cause.

DrivingForce · 31-08-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by benbaaa

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Originally Posted by Norton

IMO she will have little effect on bringing disgruntled Hillary supporters to the Republican side.

I disagree. I think the gun-toting, anti-women's choice, pro-trickle down Hillary supporters will now be flocking to the Republican cause.

This supposes logic instead of emotion...Which one would you say most likely encompasses the preponderance of female voters?

Accidental Ajarn · 31-08-2008, 01:49 PM

"but there's a rumor spreading across the internet'

Good reliable source of information.

Well, I do think this changes the race somewhat, in which direction it is probablly too early to tell.

Americans may fall in love with her and really boost McCain's chances, or this could be seen as a last ditch political gamble and will harm McCain's chances.

Time will tell, but Biden will obviously be the man left out in the media coverage now.

Norton · 31-08-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by benbaaa

I think the gun-toting, anti-women's choice, pro-trickle down Hillary supporters will now be flocking to the Republican cause.

Crap!! Never thought of that. Five votes for the GOP ticket could well be the decider.

Carnwadrick · 31-08-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

How are soldiers serving in Iraq protecting the way of life of Joe Public in the US.

They are killing the mad bastards over there so we are safe here in our own homes..not a single attack on US soil since George W took the battle to them.
Sincerely
Joe Six Pack Public, USA

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Originally Posted by raycarey

not saying it's true, but there's a rumor spreading across the internet.....that 5 month old kid isn't hers....it belongs to her 17 year old daughter.

Oh for fucks sake Ray now you are really dropping to the lowest level of crap and rumour mongering..get some real facts before posting your bile

AntRobertson · 31-08-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Carnwadrick

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

How are soldiers serving in Iraq protecting the way of life of Joe Public in the US.

They are killing the mad bastards over there so we are safe here in our own homes..not a single attack on US soil since George W took the battle to them.
Sincerely
Joe Six Pack Public, USA

Dear Joe Six Pack Public,

Iraq never attacked the US. You were actually safer from an attack by any Iraqis before you invaded their country. Your theory doesn't hold water; are you going to invade every nation on the face of the planet to protect yourselves in the US.

Yours,

A. Citizen

DrivingForce · 31-08-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

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Originally Posted by Carnwadrick

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

How are soldiers serving in Iraq protecting the way of life of Joe Public in the US.

They are killing the mad bastards over there so we are safe here in our own homes..not a single attack on US soil since George W took the battle to them.
Sincerely
Joe Six Pack Public, USA

Dear Joe Six Pack Public,

Iraq never attacked the US. You were actually safer from an attack by any Iraqis before you invaded their country. Your theory doesn't hold water; are you going to invade every nation on the face of the planet to protect yourselves in the US.

Yours,

A. Citizen

Wow! talk about paranoia?? No worries Ant, New zealand and Thailand have no resources we need, your safe....

AntRobertson · 31-08-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Wow! talk about paranoia?? No worries Ant, New zealand and Thailand have no resources we need, your safe....

Talk about entirely missing the point.

Um... wow.

DrivingForce · 31-08-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Wow! talk about paranoia?? No worries Ant, New zealand and Thailand have no resources we need, your safe....

Talk about entirely missing the point.

Um... wow.

no I didn't..... the post you made was pointless..

er umm..wow!

Carnwadrick · 31-08-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

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Originally Posted by Carnwadrick

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

How are soldiers serving in Iraq protecting the way of life of Joe Public in the US.

They are killing the mad bastards over there so we are safe here in our own homes..not a single attack on US soil since George W took the battle to them.
Sincerely
Joe Six Pack Public, USA

Dear Joe Six Pack Public,

Iraq never attacked the US. You were actually safer from an attack by any Iraqis before you invaded their country. Your theory doesn't hold water; are you going to invade every nation on the face of the planet to protect yourselves in the US.

Yours,

A. Citizen

True the invasion of Iraq may have had nothing to do 9/11 however the fortunate consquence was it created a magnet that brought out all the crazy nutter and gave our soldiers the chance to kill them over there well away from US soil

pai nai ma · 31-08-2008, 02:23 PM

Interested to see a link, ray. Havn't seen this. Thanks.

pai nai ma · 31-08-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Which one would you say most likely encompasses the preponderance of female voters?

Logic.

DrivingForce · 31-08-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pai nai ma

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Originally Posted by DrivingForce

Which one would you say most likely encompasses the preponderance of female voters?

Logic.

know not about women then do you? my question isn't supposition or sexist, it's scientific fact and more rhetorical than anything else..

Accidental Ajarn · 31-08-2008, 02:54 PM

"A. Citizen"

But not an American Citizen, therefore you are just a long-distance spectator and your opinion will have zilch impact on the election. It is the AMERICAN Presidental election, and what left-learning kiwis think is of little importance.

But then again, my opinion of NZ politics is not important either, so I don't waste my time endlessly discussing it. It is up to you Kiwis to decide your own government, Americans have the same right.

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Accidental Ajarn Ban Phe Last Online: 12-09-2009 05:32 PM Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 615	"but there's a rumor spreading across the internet' Good reliable source of information. Well, I do think this changes the race somewhat, in which direction it is probablly too early to tell. Americans may fall in love with her and really boost McCain's chances, or this could be seen as a last ditch political gamble and will harm McCain's chances. Time will tell, but Biden will obviously be the man left out in the media coverage now.

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pai nai ma I am in Jail Last Online: 18-12-2008 08:14 PM Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,038	Interested to see a link, ray. Havn't seen this. Thanks.

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Accidental Ajarn Ban Phe Last Online: 12-09-2009 05:32 PM Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 615	"A. Citizen" But not an American Citizen, therefore you are just a long-distance spectator and your opinion will have zilch impact on the election. It is the AMERICAN Presidental election, and what left-learning kiwis think is of little importance. But then again, my opinion of NZ politics is not important either, so I don't waste my time endlessly discussing it. It is up to you Kiwis to decide your own government, Americans have the same right.

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