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DrivingForce · 30-08-2008, 09:46 PM

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now it seems after this choice Hillary may have hit her head on it..

I don't think so. Palin's mention of Hillary's name in her acceptance speech did not go over well with the audience. The Clinton's are the most hated and politically feared names one could use in any way positive to a hard core Republican. Doubt she will use Hillary's name in a positive light again.

Yeah but it's just another slap in the face and reminder of the fact that she was not only not elected the nominee to be the first female pres. but worse yet now she was passed over for even the second seat (without even being vetted for it) even though she was first runner up on the campaign trail, I think that is going put an even more bitter taste in teh mouth of her female supporters and further push many of them towards the Rep side... Don't loose sight of the fact that they don't need all of them..

AntRobertson · 30-08-2008, 09:51 PM

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mothers proud of their sons going to war scare me ................

should not be as the soldiers serving are protecting your way of life.

How are soldiers serving in Iraq protecting the way of life of Joe Public in the US.

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so she has all very good and marketable traits that would allow for her to be a competent and successful VP, correct....

Well that depends on whom the traits are being marketed to doesn't it.

raycarey · 30-08-2008, 10:40 PM

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Do you feel ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?
SARAH: Absolutely. Yup, yup. Especially with a good team around us.

John McCain & Sarah Palin on Shattering the Glass Ceiling - Page 2 - John McCain : People.com

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Texpat · 31-08-2008, 12:50 AM

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And doesn't own a passport

she got it last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us...hp&oref=slogin

I've traveled to
Japan at least 30 times,
Korea a few dozen times,
Indonesia,
Malaysia,
Australia,
Mongolia,
Thailand ~10 times,
the Philippines ~15

all without a passport.

In the past 10 years the only times I needed a passport was while on vacation or working in Vietnam and India.

What's your point?

attaboy · 31-08-2008, 05:31 AM

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On July 11, 2008, Palin dismissed Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan and offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he turned down.[50][51] Her power to fire him is not in dispute, but Monegan alleged that his dismissal may have been an abuse of power tied to his reluctance to fire Palin's former brother-in-law, Alaska State Trooper Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann.[52]
Palin replaced Monegan with Chuck Kopp, dismissing as false allegations that Kopp had sexually harassed a subordinate.[53]
After initially refusing to explain her decision to fire Moneghan, in August Palin explained that she had done so because he had not adequately filled state trooper vacancies, and because he "did not turn out to be a team player on budgeting issues." According to Palin, Moneghan's dismissal was thus unrelated to the fact that he had refused to fire Wooten.[54] Palin said that members of her staff had made contact with public safety officials regarding the trooper, though she said that her staff's contacts with the commission were not directed by her and she had little knowledge of them. She also took disciplinary action against one member of her staff who had mentioned her and Wooten's family connection to Monegan's staff.[55] In August 2008, a bipartisan panel of the Alaska Legislature hired Steve Branchflower to investigate Palin and her staff for possible abuse of power surrounding the dismissal.[56] Democratic State Senator Hollis French, who is overseeing the investigation, says that the Palin administration has been cooperating and that subpoenas are unnecessary.[57]

Sarah Palin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikpedia is very up to date. Someone from the republican camp must have been busy.

Don't forget this latest wiki update:

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In 2006, before Palin was governor, Alaska State Trooper Wooten was suspended for ten days after being accused by his ex-wife Molly McCann (Sarah Palin's sister) of threatening to kill McCann's and Palin's father, tasering his 11-year-old stepson (with the childs consent), drinking beer in his squad car, and shooting a moose without a license.[4] Following an investigation, Wooten was suspended for illegally shooting a moose and using a Taser on his stepson, while most of the charges were dismissed.[5] After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days, and Wooten was warned by Col. Julia Grimes, head of the Alaska State Troopers, that he would be fired if he messed up again.[4]

Let's see how long this ^ stays up on Wiki before it is edited. Her wiki entry should be very popular these days.

Jet Gorgon · 31-08-2008, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

she wants to OUTLAW abortion everywhere in the US....even in the case of rape or incest....
on a separate note, is it true that palin is under criminal investigation?

Linkies?

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Originally Posted by sabang

i think McCain has suicided.

Quite possible.

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Mother of 5

peculiar names on those kids...Track, Willow, Bristol, Piper, and Trig.

and some are speculating she's pregnant again.
btw, her youngest (5 months) has down's syndrome.....who's going to be taking care of the child for the next two months?

For a leftie, that post is really nasty.
She's married to a man of Inuit descent; they do nature and cultural names. So, you against having kids? And probably figure she should have aborted the last child when it was diagnosed in the womb as having Down's. Boy. You lefties appall me -- free rights and handouts for lazy folks, but criticism of folks who want kids and are fully ready and willing to raise and support them.
Yep. people born and raised in the North (as was I) learn to hunt, trap, fish, etc. Know why? COZ WE USE IT FOR FOOD; not like you pansies who get their meat in little styrofoam containers at the supermarket. ray would probably faint if he had to gut and skin an animal for his dinner. And, it's almost impossible to be a veggie up north unless you live off tinned food and it's too bladdy cold in the winter -- you need animal protein. These folks use all parts of the animal, too (true, we get hunters from down south who hunt for the sport; our families never did).

Palin's a wild card. McC looked pretty nervous standing beside her as she gave her intro (watch his hand gestures) -- "I first joined the PTA..." Uh oh. This is going to be a truckload of popcorn show.
And yep, McC trumped BO's acceptance speech fever by announcing her.
MSNBC can't get enough of their guffaws over this mountain woman. I wouldn't doubt her ability and drive tho. Rachel Maddow better check her facts on Palin's voting on the bridge to nowhere tho; Rachel just spouts libbie rhetoric and is starting to get up my nose.

raycarey · 31-08-2008, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by The Fresh Prince

And doesn't own a passport

she got it last year.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/30/us...hp&oref=slogin

I've traveled to
Japan at least 30 times,
Korea a few dozen times,
Indonesia,
Malaysia,
Australia,
Mongolia,
Thailand ~10 times,
the Philippines ~15

all without a passport.

In the past 10 years the only times I needed a passport was while on vacation or working in Vietnam and India.

What's your point?

my point?

the fresh prince posted that she didn't have a passport, but according to the new york times she got it last year. that's why i posted, 'she got it last year'.

and looking at it from a different angle, politico put up this article after i made my post...

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1. What’s in her passport?
The most intense doubts about Palin flow from a belief that the former mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, does not know enough to be an effective commander in chief.
How much her passport has been stamped does not necessarily speak to that. But if it turns out she has rarely traveled abroad — or has never been to any foreign country other than Canada — this will be seized upon instantly.
George W. Bush, for instance, had to swat away questions in 2000 about his thin travelogue.
Palin’s best hope on the sensitive point of her foreign policy credentials is that expectations for her in the Oct. 8 vice presidential debate in St. Louis against Joe Biden (chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee) are so low that Palin will be able to soar above them.

Media obsession: 5 questions for Palin - John F. Harris - Politico.com

and btw, since palin used to be a local tv sports anchor and a mayor of a tiny town, and not....say.... a tire pressure 'specialist' in the air force, i don't think she would have been able to travel abroad without a passport.

raycarey · 31-08-2008, 08:49 AM

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Linkies?

her anti-choice position is well known (in fact, it's the main reason she got the nod), and links have already been posted about the sordid criminal investigation she is tangled up in.

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

And probably figure she should have aborted the last child when it was diagnosed in the womb as having Down's. Boy. You lefties appall me

so you're 'appalled' by something you think i 'probably figure'.

raycarey · 31-08-2008, 10:59 AM

not saying it's true, but there's a rumor spreading across the internet.....that 5 month old kid isn't hers....it belongs to her 17 year old daughter.

time will tell.

raycarey · 31-08-2008, 11:15 AM

from march...

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SEVEN MONTHS ALONG: Even her staff was unaware that the first family was expecting a fifth child.
By WESLEY LOY

JUNEAU -- Gov. Sarah Palin shocked and awed just about everybody around the Capitol on Wednesday when she announced she's expecting her fifth child.

The governor, who recently turned 44, told a handful of reporters as she was leaving work to expect a new member of the first family, then headed to a reception at the Baranof Hotel to feast on king crab.

Palin said she's already about seven months along, with the baby due to arrive in mid-May.

That the pregnancy is so advanced astonished all who heard the news. The governor, a runner who's always been trim, simply doesn't look pregnant.

Even close members of her staff said they only learned this week their boss was expecting.

"I thought it was becoming obvious," Palin said. "You know, clothes getting snugger and snugger."

But people just couldn't believe the news.

"Really? No!" said Bethel state Rep. Mary Nelson, who is close to giving birth herself.

"It's wonderful. She's very well-disguised," said Senate President Lyda Green, a mother of three who has sometimes sparred with Palin politically. "When I was five months pregnant, there was absolutely no question that I was with child."

Anchorage Daily News

she was in her 7th month, and the people who work with her every day didn't notice she was pregnant?

oh btw, the daughter apparently missed 4-5 months from school....with 'mono'.

benbaaa · 31-08-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Norton

IMO she will have little effect on bringing disgruntled Hillary supporters to the Republican side.

I disagree. I think the gun-toting, anti-women's choice, pro-trickle down Hillary supporters will now be flocking to the Republican cause.

Bugs · 31-08-2008, 11:57 AM

Off the top I did not think the Palin choice was a good move, and I am still not sold on it. From a political point of view with the exception of her abortion views, nothing I have seen or read about her give me much of a reason to dislike her. The pick certainly seems to have given the McCain campaign much more media coverage than he was likely to get a Romney or Pawlenty pick.

I don’t think her age or experience will have a drastic impact on things, but I am sure Obama will try to use this. Having someone with little experience on the bottom half of the ticket is not quite the same as having someone with little experience on the top half of the ticket.

Much of the negative I have seen, heard, read has not really been on issues that matter much to me, as they relate to politics – with the exception of her lack of experience.

I think this move was an attempt to pacify the far right (in particular the right to life group) while at the same time being targeted towards Hillary supporters. I think it will shore up McCain support on the far right, and might actually get more of them to vote rather than stay home in Nov. I have my doubts has to how effective this will be in appealing to Hillary supporters. A few of them are going to vote for McCain regardless – simply out of spite. But the vast majority will either stay home, or end up voting for Obama. One thing is for sure I would not have wanted to be in the same building as Hillary when she heard who John boy picked for his VP.

Here is an interesting poll that indicates Palin has actually been a bigger hit with guys than with the ladies.

Surprise? First Two National Polls Find Palin Gains LESS Support from Women

Democratic women - 9% gain for McCain - 15% loss, but let's face it this is blue team women. The 15% less likely were probably not going to vote for him anyway.

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Here's a finding from Gallup: Among Democratic women -- including those who may be disappointed that Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic nomination -- 9% say Palin makes them more likely to support McCain, 15% less likely.

Getting a third of the folks saying they are more likely to vote for McCain now ain't all bad. But the negative on her experience is pretty clear.

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From Rasmussen: Some 38% of men said they were more likely to vote for McCain now, but only 32% of women. By a narrow 41% to 35% margin, men said she was not ready to be president -- but women soundly rejected her, 48% to 25%.

9% is a pretty low number, but these are Obama supporters - not the target of the move. The target right now is independents, and Hillary supporters. I doubt 1% of McCain supporters would have said the Biden pick would make it more likely they would vote for Obama.

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Only 9% of Obama supporters said they might be more likely to vote for McCain.

Here is where the men let is be known they are still affraid to be labled as sexist.

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Overall, voters expressed a favorable impression of her by a 53/26 margin, but there was a severe gender gap on this: Men embraced her at 58% to 23%, while for women it was 48/30.

Another bit showing that her lack of experience is probably her weakest point.

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And by a 29/44 margin, men and women together, they do not believe that she is ready to be President.

These numbers probably reflect not only Palin, but also the effects of the convention - and likely is more than the less likely.

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As for voters not affiliated with either major party, 37% are more likely to vote for McCain and 28% less likely to do so.

Still pretty early to read anyting into the polls. About the only thing they might gauge is folks off-the-hip response to the McCain pick. And it appears it has been more good than bad.

Bugs · 31-08-2008, 12:04 PM

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It takes a bit of the novelty out of the Obama camp, too.

Either way, history will be made. Obama isn't unique now.

I would agree that it takes some of the novelty out of the Obama run. However, Obama is as unique now as he ever was.

And as you point out regardless of the outcome in Nov, US history will be made.

Jet Gorgon · 31-08-2008, 12:57 PM

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Linkies?

her anti-choice position is well known (in fact, it's the main reason she got the nod

You've criticised and demanded links for less, rc. Give us one.

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not saying it's true, but there's a rumor spreading across the internet.....that 5 month old kid isn't hers....it belongs to her 17 year old daughter.

She was at the Gov convention in Texas when in labour with her fifth child, dickwad. Even MSNBC reported that.

Accidental Ajarn · 31-08-2008, 01:49 PM

"but there's a rumor spreading across the internet'

Good reliable source of information.

Well, I do think this changes the race somewhat, in which direction it is probablly too early to tell.

Americans may fall in love with her and really boost McCain's chances, or this could be seen as a last ditch political gamble and will harm McCain's chances.

Time will tell, but Biden will obviously be the man left out in the media coverage now.

Norton · 31-08-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by benbaaa

I think the gun-toting, anti-women's choice, pro-trickle down Hillary supporters will now be flocking to the Republican cause.

Crap!! Never thought of that. Five votes for the GOP ticket could well be the decider.

Carnwadrick · 31-08-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

How are soldiers serving in Iraq protecting the way of life of Joe Public in the US.

They are killing the mad bastards over there so we are safe here in our own homes..not a single attack on US soil since George W took the battle to them.
Sincerely
Joe Six Pack Public, USA

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Originally Posted by raycarey

not saying it's true, but there's a rumor spreading across the internet.....that 5 month old kid isn't hers....it belongs to her 17 year old daughter.

Oh for fucks sake Ray now you are really dropping to the lowest level of crap and rumour mongering..get some real facts before posting your bile

pai nai ma · 31-08-2008, 02:23 PM

Interested to see a link, ray. Havn't seen this. Thanks.

DrivingForce · 31-08-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

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Originally Posted by raycarey

she wants to OUTLAW abortion everywhere in the US....even in the case of rape or incest....
on a separate note, is it true that palin is under criminal investigation?

Linkies?

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Originally Posted by sabang

i think McCain has suicided.

Quite possible.

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Originally Posted by raycarey

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Originally Posted by buriramboy

Mother of 5

peculiar names on those kids...Track, Willow, Bristol, Piper, and Trig.

and some are speculating she's pregnant again.
btw, her youngest (5 months) has down's syndrome.....who's going to be taking care of the child for the next two months?

For a leftie, that post is really nasty.
She's married to a man of Inuit descent; they do nature and cultural names. So, you against having kids? And probably figure she should have aborted the last child when it was diagnosed in the womb as having Down's. Boy. You lefties appall me -- free rights and handouts for lazy folks, but criticism of folks who want kids and are fully ready and willing to raise and support them.
Yep. people born and raised in the North (as was I) learn to hunt, trap, fish, etc. Know why? COZ WE USE IT FOR FOOD; not like you pansies who get their meat in little styrofoam containers at the supermarket. ray would probably faint if he had to gut and skin an animal for his dinner. And, it's almost impossible to be a veggie up north unless you live off tinned food and it's too bladdy cold in the winter -- you need animal protein. These folks use all parts of the animal, too (true, we get hunters from down south who hunt for the sport; our families never did).

Palin's a wild card. McC looked pretty nervous standing beside her as she gave her intro (watch his hand gestures) -- "I first joined the PTA..." Uh oh. This is going to be a truckload of popcorn show.
And yep, McC trumped BO's acceptance speech fever by announcing her.
MSNBC can't get enough of their guffaws over this mountain woman. I wouldn't doubt her ability and drive tho. Rachel Maddow better check her facts on Palin's voting on the bridge to nowhere tho; Rachel just spouts libbie rhetoric and is starting to get up my nose.

Yah he made some pretty nasty comments about nominees with disabilities too, FDR not withstanding (convenient memory). I had written a nice retort but just as I went to send it my Internet crashed (TIT) and I lost 15 minutes worth answers as it was also directed at a couple of other remarks too from other posters..So I didn't bother to repost it.. Quite the hypocrite this one is..

AntRobertson · 31-08-2008, 02:38 PM

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How are soldiers serving in Iraq protecting the way of life of Joe Public in the US.

They are killing the mad bastards over there so we are safe here in our own homes..not a single attack on US soil since George W took the battle to them.
Sincerely
Joe Six Pack Public, USA

Dear Joe Six Pack Public,

Iraq never attacked the US. You were actually safer from an attack by any Iraqis before you invaded their country. Your theory doesn't hold water; are you going to invade every nation on the face of the planet to protect yourselves in the US.

Yours,

A. Citizen

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Accidental Ajarn Ban Phe Last Online: 12-09-2009 05:32 PM Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 615	"but there's a rumor spreading across the internet' Good reliable source of information. Well, I do think this changes the race somewhat, in which direction it is probablly too early to tell. Americans may fall in love with her and really boost McCain's chances, or this could be seen as a last ditch political gamble and will harm McCain's chances. Time will tell, but Biden will obviously be the man left out in the media coverage now.

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