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Old 14-09-2008, 03:07 PM   #761 (permalink)
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How can she be a good mother?
Taking care of five children and especially one with Down Syndrome is a hard task!
And now she wants to take care of America?
Pretty rich coming from a German, innit? Oh ya, Merkel studied physics (oh, she must be so well trained for politics) and is married but with no children to have to tend to around the cooking fire.
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Pink: Sarah Palin 'Hates Women'


(Sept. 12) - In her 2006 song 'Dear Mr. President,' Pink asked George W. Bush a few probing questions. Now she's got some choice words for a certain vice presidential candidate.What scares Pink are women who consider the Alaska governor's selection a feminist victory. "This woman hates women," the singer said. "She is not a feminist. She is not the woman that's going to come behind Hillary Clinton and do anything that Hillary Clinton would've been capable of ... I can't imagine overturning Roe vs. Wade. She's not of this time. The woman terrifies me."

Pink, an animal rights activist, suggests creatures other than humans should be just as scared of Palin: "I can't imagine shooting a wolf out of a helicopter."



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Ya, and Brangelina will dictate policy, too. I'm gonna get a gun and kill my adopted polar bear in Pink's name.
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Ya, and Brangelina will dictate policy, too. I'm gonna get a gun and kill my adopted polar bear in Pink's name.

You would actually do that ?
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Old 14-09-2008, 03:19 PM   #765 (permalink)
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while herman and i rarely agree, i think he has brought up some points worth discussing....

what kind of person decides to run for vice president weeks after having a child.....especially one that will need so much extra attention.
those with daddy/mommy abandonment issues can feel free to post their own sob stories, but from where i sit it seems pretty callous that she's just leaving this kid for somebody else to raise.

and once women in america realize what this palin actually stands for....in sarah palin's america, victims of rape and incest will not have access to abortions....they'll be embarrassed that they even considered voting for her.
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Old 14-09-2008, 03:21 PM   #766 (permalink)
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while herman and i rarely agree, i think he has brought up some points worth discussing....
desperation makes for strange bedfellows doesn't it? kind of like that late hour when the bar is closing and you find you might be going home alone huh? like the song says "they all look like angels at closing time"..

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Old 14-09-2008, 03:26 PM   #767 (permalink)
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while herman and i rarely agree, i think he has brought up some points worth discussing....

what kind of person decides to run for vice president weeks after having a child.....especially one that will need so much extra attention.
those with daddy/mommy abandonment issues can feel free to post their own sob stories, but from where i sit it seems pretty callous that she's just leaving this kid for somebody else to raise.

and once women in america realize what this palin actually stands for....in sarah palin's america, victims of rape and incest will not have access to abortions....they'll be embarrassed that they even considered voting for her.

I say:

raycarey for Vice President !
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something else for the women of america to consider when they head for the polls.....

it seems sarah palin thinks rape victims should have to pay for their rape kits.

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When Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, the city billed sexual-assault victims and their insurance companies for the cost of rape kits and forensic examinations
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State lawmakers became involved in 2000 because of complaints that police were charging sexual-assault victims for the kits and the forensic exams, which cost from $300 to $1,200 at the time.
Nation & World | Victims billed for rape kits in Wasilla | Seattle Times Newspaper
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raycarey for Vice President !
as much as i appreciate the sentiment, my mod duties and doctoral studies have me quite pressed for time as it is.
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Old 14-09-2008, 03:30 PM   #770 (permalink)
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Merkel studied physics (oh, she must be so well trained for politics)
She and Palin have much in common. Both have an understanding of the "big bang". A theory for Merkel, a practice for Palin.
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This kinda straightened it all out for me., Now I kinda know whats going on and what to expect.
Reverend Manning's Fierce Prayer For Bristol Palin



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Old 14-09-2008, 03:35 PM   #772 (permalink)
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what kind of person decides to run for vice president weeks after having a child.....especially one that will need so much extra attention.
those with daddy/mommy abandonment issues can feel free to post their own sob stories, but from where i sit it seems pretty callous that she's just leaving this kid for somebody else to raise.
The problem is, that argument does not fly. Its bounced right back as "sexist". If it was her husband running (for example) the issue would simply never be raised.

Its clear that the Obama campaign is having trouble handling her, and have yet to work out a coherent strategy. They have to focus on her positions - which, in America are equally devisive. Her stand on abortion will attract as many voters as it does turn off - thats politics I suppose.

The one approach that would have some chance of working I think is to sick Hillary on her. One would assume that even not as VP, Hillary will have a significant role in the case of Obama's election - an if anyone can handle Palin, it would be Hillary. There seem to be fertile grounds riasing doubts about palin (trooper gate etc), as well as er basic stands on religion etc etc.

Quite frankly, the woman scares me.
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Some good ole U.S. politic laughs. She is almost as good as G. Bush.

Charlie Gibson started to earn his pay when he asked Sarah Palin about specific national security issues, like the situation with Russia and Georgia.

Gibson: "Let's start, because we are near Russia, let's start with Russia and Georgia. the administration has said we've got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore the Georgian sovereignty..."

Palin: "First off, we're going to continue good relations with Saakashvili [President of Georgia] there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain's running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure, in terms of invading a sovereign democratic country, unprovoked is unacceptable."

Gibson: You believe unprovoked?

Palin: "I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia under the leadership there..."




Gibson: "What insight into Russia's actions, particularly over the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of this state [Alaska] give you?"


Palin: "They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska."




GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?

PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?

GIBSON: The Bush -- well, what do you -- what do you interpret it to be?

PALIN: His world view.

GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.

PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that's the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better.

GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?

PALIN: Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend.

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They have to focus on her positions - which, in America are equally devisive. Her stand on abortion will attract as many voters as it does turn off - thats politics I suppose.
all in due time. when an unknown is rolled out like this, the first thing both sides try to do is 'define' that person.
over the next few weeks i think we'll see the obama campaign try to bring the focus back to mccain...but if that doesn't work and the spotlight stays focused on palin then they'll bring out all the facts about her positions on the issues....including forcing rape victims in her town to pay $1200 for their rape kits.

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The one approach that would have some chance of working I think is to sick Hillary on her.
i fully expect to see this in october....if not sooner.
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raycarey for Vice President !
as much as i appreciate the sentiment, my mod duties and doctoral studies have me quite pressed for time as it is.
yeah that's obvious...based on how many rants you make...
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what kind of person decides to run for vice president weeks after having a child.....especially one that will need so much extra attention.
those with daddy/mommy abandonment issues can feel free to post their own sob stories, but from where i sit it seems pretty callous that she's just leaving this kid for somebody else to raise.
The problem is, that argument does not fly. Its bounced right back as "sexist". If it was her husband running (for example) the issue would simply never be raised.
I knew that sexist card would come up here. But it does defintely not fly with me because I'am not one of those hypercrites.
Lets be realy honest about this. If her husband was running I would say the same thing. I'am not saying Palin stay home and cook and take care of the children. I'am saying Palin (Mr. or Mrs.) step back a bit and take BETTER care of your family. Your family needs you the most right now with a Dow Syndrom kid and a 17 year old pregnat daughter. I'am not saying give up your job, just step back. And since this family has no money problem I can only say: "Palin you are a rotten mother".
According to a poll here in Germany (I'am sure this is honest) most parents wished they could have more time for their children.
Don't we all wish this ? Let's be honest now !



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while herman and i rarely agree, i think he has brought up some points worth discussing....
just had to post that again !



Why is so little known about her daughter's Boner ?
Could it be because... under Alaska law, having sex with a 17 year old is statutory RAPE.
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I'am not saying Palin stay home and cook and take care of the children. I'am saying Palin (Mr. or Mrs.) step back a bit and take BETTER care of your family. Your family needs you the most right now with a Dow Syndrom kid and a 17 year old pregnat daughter. I'am not saying give up your job, just step back.
interesting point herman.

apparently her thirst for power trumps everything....including the well being of her children....both the developmentally challenged newborn and knocked-up teenage ho.
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Quite frankly, the woman scares me.
ok lets get serious for a moment, this is more directed at those who might be a bit on the fence and not rc since he is already corrupted and fully over on the dark side..

There are only 2 choices for PRESIDENT Obama and McCain, they in turn have chosen 2 other candidates to run with as their VP..
those 2 candidates are going to play very different roles in the office should they get in, due to Obama's lack of experience his VP is going to play a far larger role in advisory influence and he was not even selected by HIS own party to even make it into the semifinals not once but twice and this is the man that you want to be making serious foreign policy suggestions to his younger less experienced President? ..all of his rock star status in Europe in the real world is going to have little to do with Obama, you should realize this it is going to be based more on what Biden recommends..your being very naive if you think otherwise..

on the other hand we have a relatively inexperienced VP candidate just as it should be, in sequence, being second and all that, with a rare hypothetical possibility that she might become the President and it being far less likely that she is going to have much influence at all on presidential decisions in her term.

Then there is all of the balances that would be keeping her in check as it were and advisers that would be helping her in such a case (just as they will be for Obama from the git go in his starring role). coupled with the fact that washington changes peoples perceptions, so her current views and policies might possibly change just as they did when she made the decision on the "bridge to nowhere". so lets not read too much into her being SECOND in command. that's the reality..

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