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Old 10-08-2008, 04:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How Barack Obama can win over poor whites
Bible-thumping, rifle-toting, truck-loving poor white Americans are one of the key groups Barack Obama must win over if he is to become president. Tony Allen-Mills gauges his support in the backwoods — and Nina Berman travels across America to capture its contrasting faces and moods

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How Barack Obama can win over poor whites - Times Online
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Withdraw his nomination might be a good start...
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Interesting article, but this much publicised Redneck is a minority that, even if Obama can swing some of them to vote for him, won't have much impact on the overall election. He's probably better advised chasing more important demographics like the womens vote, and ordinary middle class Americans disenfranchised by Bush' economic policies.
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Not likely Obama will have much success with the "poor whites" and will not spend much time trying. Generally the Dems will vote for him and the Reps will vote for McCain. Both candidates will need to convince the Independents. This is the battleground that will lead to victory.
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Actually Obama polls quite well with the poor white voters. Slap on a red-neck and that is when his numbers tank:

Low-Wage Workers, Poll Timeliness - dot.comments
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Stupid racist article attempting to lump all "poor" whites in American in one great class of stupidity.

Ignorant trash journalism that feeds on the ignorance and hatred of America in Europe.

"Bible-thumping, rifle-toting, truck-loving poor white Americans."

All poor Americans are bible thumpers and all rich Americans are atheists?

Every non-elite white man in America carries a rifle in his pick-up?

Just stupid generalizations.

What if we said Obama will receive over 95% of the black vote because he promises to increase welfare payments for all lazy blacks. That would be totally unacceptable, but if it is about “rednecks,” lies and negative stereotypes fit right into the worldview of the London Times.
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the ignorance and hatred of America in Europe.
Ooh, aren't we defensive. Can't be that hard being Amerkin, surely.

What about the 200,000 people that turned up in Berlin to see Obama speak? A fine display of the ignorance and hatred of all thing American in Europe.

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the worldview of the London Times
Owned by Rupert Murdoch, no less. Did someone let the Fox in the henhouse?
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Not defensive, just pointing out the stupidity of the article and the general simplistic European worldview of America.
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Not defensive, just pointing out the stupidity of the article and the general simplistic European worldview of America.
Hit the nail on the head there, AA...
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I think you'll find that whatever the worldview of Europeans it extends beyond more than simply encompassing the US or even America, the continent.
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"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet the Press," March 16, 2003
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"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet the Press," March 16, 2003
And? What's to fault with that statement?
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""My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet the Press," March 16, 2003"

My god, this has nothing to do with the topic, but these lefties never tire of going off topic to attempt to take a poke at America.

Shit, stay on topic. One reason to hate America at a time please, Right now you should be expressing your hatred of America because of its rednecks, you have already expressed your hatred of America becasue of the Iraq war in hundreds of other threads.

Keep your irrational hatreds on topic.
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Stupid racist article attempting to lump all "poor" whites in American in one great class of stupidity.

Ignorant trash journalism that feeds on the ignorance and hatred of America in Europe.

"Bible-thumping, rifle-toting, truck-loving poor white Americans."

All poor Americans are bible thumpers and all rich Americans are atheists?

Every non-elite white man in America carries a rifle in his pick-up?

Just stupid generalizations.
when you use a statement to make your point its a good Idea to include the full sentence
"Bible-thumping, rifle-toting, truck-loving poor white Americans are one of the key groups Barack Obama must win over if he is to become president."

that statement said that there is a group of people in america who are Bible-thumping, rifle-toting, truck-loving, poor and white.
I fail to see how that is racist as you cannot deny that there are a group of people who fit that discription. It does not say that every poor white person in america is a redneck.

funny how an american and a European can read a sentence and get 2 completely different meanings from it.

There was a good comment left by a reader at the end of that artical

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I hard a good example of this yesterday on the radio
The news was on reporting how Georgia was in a state of war, closely followed by a message from GWB calling for all the violence to cease.
What exactly does anything going on in Russia have to do with the USA?
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...a message from GWB calling for all the violence to cease.
What exactly does anything going on in Russia have to do with the USA?
Now that's funny! There has long been a sharp contradiction in US presidents talking of peace whilst simultaneously using military force. One after another they all emphasize how they want peace and only use force reluctantly. Even a cursory examination of instances of the US exercising military force shows that they aren't exactly shrinking violets. So they employ the so-called 'war for peace' rationale which, aside from being an inherently ironic, means that war becomes perpetual.
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i Thought this was pretty funny from GWB as well
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“So America stands in firm opposition to China’s detention of political dissidents, human rights advocates and religious activists. We speak out for a free press, freedom of assembly, and labour rights not to antagonise China’s leaders, but because trusting its people with greater freedom is the only way for China to develop its full potential.”
does nobody read the monkeys speech's before he delivers them?
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you have already expressed your hatred of America
I can't even be bothered correcting you any more- think what you want to think.

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""My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet the Press," March 16, 2003" My god, this has nothing to do with the topic, but these lefties never tire of going off topic to attempt to take a poke at America.
Ditto. Considering you are accusing Europe of having a simplistic worldview of America, I just thought I would hold up one of those cursed mirrors that you 'America can do no wrong' simpletions hate so much, and show you an example of the world view of one of your most senior leaders (allegedly).

Why do I have to explain everything to you? For an ajarn, you are a poor student.
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