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britmaveric · 27-07-2008, 03:03 AM

Why would some one care about what other countries think of their own country? Fk me could give a sh*te really.

Jet Gorgon · 27-07-2008, 04:58 AM

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^ Contrary to some of the Rightist rhetoric I hear, I have to disagree with you there Jet. Americans do care what the Rest of the World thinks- indeed like good, normal people everywhere, they want to be liked and approved of. On an individual level, people that don't want to be liked, or don't care, have a mental illness.

Not my view. I follow my head and heart, and if the crowd doesn't like it, tough tittie, I will not change to fit their views. Hitler attracted mass adoration and hysteria, too.
Stay true to yourself, else you are just following mob mentality. I see that happening in the States if BO wins. The black lower classes will have a field day. As for the rest of the world, they ain't got the right to vote and I just see the leaders BO met with as targeting him as an easy mark. America ain't an easy mark.

lysander · 27-07-2008, 07:56 AM

And there is the USA's problem, elucidated by a Canadian. You whine about the fact that the 'rest of the world' doesn't have the right to vote in American elections but you're quite happy for the USA to interfere militarily in the political processes of countries as widespread as Nicaragua, Chile, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Grenada, Cuba, Vietnam. Have you ever met "Mrs do unto other as you would be done by"?

Carnwadrick · 27-07-2008, 08:57 AM

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Not my view. I follow my head and heart, and if the crowd doesn't like it, tough tittie, I will not change to fit their views. Hitler attracted mass adoration and hysteria, too. Stay true to yourself, else you are just following mob mentality. I see that happening in the States if BO wins. The black lower classes will have a field day. As for the rest of the world, they ain't got the right to vote and I just see the leaders BO met with as targeting him as an easy mark. America ain't an easy mark.

Well said.........

sabang · 27-07-2008, 10:09 AM

I wish I was old enough to have been a thinking person when Kennedy was wowing the masses. Was there the same cynicism in some quarters?

britmaveric · 27-07-2008, 10:24 AM

Unfortunately Kennedy was over-rated nonce that did little.

sabang · 27-07-2008, 10:39 AM

^ Penis envy?

Norton · 27-07-2008, 10:54 AM

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Was there the same cynicism in some quarters?

When JFK was making his run against Nixon, the cynicism, such as it was in a pre internet world, was his religion, lack of experience in foriegn affairs, and his "liberal" social agenda.

Two important events propelled Kennedy to eventual victory. Selection of Lyndon Johnson, the highly experienced and respected majority Senate Leader as VP. And, the televised debates between he and Nixon which demonstrated Kennedy's charisma and grasp of the issues was, in contrast to Nixon's poor showing, the real turning point in Kennedy's favor.

The similarities between the Kennedy/Nixon and the Obama/McCain campaign are striking. Kennedy had to overcome the undercurrent of doubt related to his Catholicism and Obama his color. The results of the election were extremely close. For those who say "charisma" and likability don't count, I would suggest Kennedy's superiority as a communicator propelled him to the Presidency.

Milkman · 27-07-2008, 10:58 AM

^ And those who listened to the Kennedy v. Nixon debate on radio though Nixon won and those that watched the debate on TV polled that Kennedy won.

The age of TV in political marketing was born.

Image, charisma, poor makeup on Nixon that made him look pale, and his gray suit with the curtain in the the background.

Kennedy won Illinois because of Chicago mafia help, most likely.

Texpat · 27-07-2008, 01:29 PM

Kennedy is thought to be a great US president largely on emotional grounds.
You can give speeches all day long but if you fcuk up a few hard decisions, you're still a turd. He was killed while young and that's tragic. It's as if you're not allowed to dislike him. I wasn't born yet when he was killed, but I've never met anyone who didn't have something nice to say about him.

In my opinion: If I wanted a president who can evoke emotion, speak well, and look fit and young, I'd vote for Obama. McCain has the life experiences to make better decisions.

Style over substance?

or

Function over form?

sabang · 27-07-2008, 01:34 PM

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Style over substance? or Function over form?

You've really gotta read my latest addition to the McCain thread Tex. McCain has admitted he is Totally computer illiterate. Substance? Function?

At least Obama would push the right button if he wanted to start a war.

SEA Traveler · 27-07-2008, 07:27 PM

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Am I correct in understanding that this is a survey as to whom we think is going to be the next pres of the US

yes..

Then, with that understandiing, I submit that BO will win and after not too long of a time period, the US public will realize the huge error in their judgement and be sorry that what they wished for came to fruition. It will be a long 4 years I'm sorry to say...

I can't see how anyone could possibly do worse than GWB.

Somchi, as the survey is not making reference to any compairisons to the current administration but for the upcoming elections, the assessment offered remains valid. There will be severe dissapointment with BO not being able to cut the mustard as he just doesn't have enough ass...

SEA Traveler · 27-07-2008, 07:31 PM

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I wish I was old enough to have been a thinking person when Kennedy was wowing the masses. Was there the same cynicism in some quarters?

yes, very much so. I recall the discussions that reflected that if Kennedy wins, every one would have to go to catholic school and were uniforms to school. it never happened but in Kennedy's case, he had what it takes to lead and run a country. BO on the other hand is a light weight wo the experience necessary to run a country...

SEA Traveler · 27-07-2008, 07:34 PM

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^ And those who listened to the Kennedy v. Nixon debate on radio though Nixon won and those that watched the debate on TV polled that Kennedy won.

... and the media which overwhelmingly has and supports the left wing is no different in this election.

sabang · 27-07-2008, 07:40 PM

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BO on the other hand is a light weight wo the experience necessary to run a country...

I think we'll be finding out soon enough. I certainly rate him as a skilled Politician and Diplomat. But that doesn't necessarily make for a good (or bad) President.

To my way of thinking, it is the energy and vision you bring to the job that makes for a fine Presidency, rather than the number of years you have spent in Capitol Hill.

SEA Traveler · 27-07-2008, 07:42 PM

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^ strange, but i don't see your vote.

very observent Khun Sabang but in an effort not to support a self fulfilled prophacy I will dispense with any form survey response. it is far too often that the results of such survey are interpreted incorrectly.

thegent · 27-07-2008, 09:58 PM

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I wish I was old enough to have been a thinking person when Kennedy was wowing the masses. Was there the same cynicism in some quarters?

yes, very much so. I recall the discussions that reflected that if Kennedy wins, every one would have to go to catholic school and were uniforms to school. it never happened but in Kennedy's case, he had what it takes to lead and run a country. BO on the other hand is a light weight wo the experience necessary to run a country...

Extraordinary interpretation affecting a cynicism one suspects could only stem from a deep rooted naivety so typical of the average american pundit steeped in the tradition of the yellow press, indifferent education and bar room philosophy.

Hey ho, I suppose we'll just have to wait for another ' messiah ' who's got " what it takes "........

Texpat · 27-07-2008, 10:20 PM

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a deep rooted naivety so typical of the average american pundit

Please tell us more about typical Americans! Please?

View Poll Results: Who will be the next US President?
Obama	33	66.00%
McCain	12	24.00%
Neither	1	2.00%
Honestly don't care	4	8.00%
Voters: 50. You may not vote on this poll

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27-07-2008, 03:03 AM	#61 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,679	Why would some one care about what other countries think of their own country? Fk me could give a sh*te really.

27-07-2008, 07:56 AM	#63 (permalink)
lysander Sa Kaeo Last Online: Today 04:28 PM Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 255	And there is the USA's problem, elucidated by a Canadian. You whine about the fact that the 'rest of the world' doesn't have the right to vote in American elections but you're quite happy for the USA to interfere militarily in the political processes of countries as widespread as Nicaragua, Chile, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Grenada, Cuba, Vietnam. Have you ever met "Mrs do unto other as you would be done by"?

27-07-2008, 10:09 AM	#65 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 08:13 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: east of Pattaya Posts: 8,301	I wish I was old enough to have been a thinking person when Kennedy was wowing the masses. Was there the same cynicism in some quarters?

27-07-2008, 10:24 AM	#66 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,679	Unfortunately Kennedy was over-rated nonce that did little.

27-07-2008, 10:39 AM	#67 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 08:13 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: east of Pattaya Posts: 8,301	^ Penis envy?

27-07-2008, 01:29 PM	#70 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: Today 06:06 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 9,482	Kennedy is thought to be a great US president largely on emotional grounds. You can give speeches all day long but if you fcuk up a few hard decisions, you're still a turd. He was killed while young and that's tragic. It's as if you're not allowed to dislike him. I wasn't born yet when he was killed, but I've never met anyone who didn't have something nice to say about him. In my opinion: If I wanted a president who can evoke emotion, speak well, and look fit and young, I'd vote for Obama. McCain has the life experiences to make better decisions. Style over substance? or Function over form?

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