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AntRobertson

Staggering, in the face of all the evidence to the contrary you continue to repeat this as though it were the truth. You're either woefully informed of Obama's proposed tax policies or wilfully ignorant of them. In either event you're incorrect.

panama hat

I believe Jet thinks all is well in the US at the moment and any change would be detrimental to the US' image and good standing as well as Wall Street.

What I don't quite understand is how easily the word 'socialism' is bandied about by those who have no clue as to what it actually means.

Jet, a serious question, what are socialist ways when in seen in context of the US?

Thormaturge

I think Jet is seeing the same three card trick that I am seeing.

Promises of tax cuts followed by a list of where the extra tax revenue is going to be spent.

Obama's appeal is similar to that of Tony Blair. Things had become so bad under the previous right-wing Government that the British public woud have voted for the Easter bunny so long as it promised it was different from Thatcher and Major.

He was.

He was worse.

But at least we had "change".

Milkman

[quote=Milkman;804621]How does Chamberlain's policy of appeasement over 60 years ago apply to any politician or nation-state today?

I stated this before but it's worth repeating:

The USA started on the road to socialism in the 1930s. GWB further put the US into socialism with his signing of the Medicare expansion bill a couple of years ago.

Ronald Reagan stated in the 1980s that Medicare would bring socialism to the US, and it is now.

GWB spent two times more than Clinton on average per year. Big government.

Entitlements are now just over 50% of the budget.

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Jet Gorgon

Wait and see, Ant.

Milkman

Here's an article on Virginia. In areas called "exurbs" there seem to be more Obama voters living their now. The stereotype of the so-called college educated "middle class" voter who will vote GOP or Dem, depending on the candidate.

As posters are aware, rising gas prices, falling home values, and seeing foreclosed homes are leading to what William referred as as losing confidence.

These exurbs now have more of the "Patio Man" voters, as the working-class GOP leaning whites have dimished.

A brief excerpt, but the entire article is worth scanning. The Suburbs and Exurbs are leaning toward Obama in VA: Also, there is another character in addition to "Joe Sixpack," and "Joe the Plumber." "Patio Man."

Entire: Dems see opportunity in outer 'burbs' troubles - Washington Post - MSNBC.com

Jet Gorgon

[quote=Milkman;804622]Not thinking of appeasement at all, MM. I'm thinking in terms of being blinkered by the rhetoric (oh, such a powerful speaker!), the sway of the populace (they love BO's plans -- free healthcare, tax the rich, programmes all paid for by the upper crust 5% viz save the German economy and who cares about Czech anyway?), and in some ways, public polls (He's gonna win so better back him; he's got all of Germany on his side, he must be right).
Nice prepared speech by Powell. Sounded positively political.

jim1176

And these gentlemen have offended you in some way?

Jet Gorgon

^ Just a little bit.

panama hat

Another staggering example of Jet's grasp on issues and it shows just how well she can discuss a point . . .

Oh? I would have thought you have many things in common with one of them . . . the one starting with H.



Can you provide any discussion on this or is it another 'wait and see' answer?

ChiangMai noon

things will change under Obama, I am looking forward to seeing a US Government with empathy and common decency.

Milkman

I feel the same way, CMN. Your sentence really sums it up for me, when it comes to empathy and decency.

More good news:


Entire: Poll: Obama opens biggest lead over McCain - Decision '08 - MSNBC.com

ChiangMai noon

today's up to date polls from all the main pollsters.

national polls at the bottom, some state polls up top.

jim1176

If you look at many of the states where McCain is ahead, Kentucky, West Virginia, South Carolina these are the most bigoted uneducated ignorant areas of the US a.k.a. Bush Country. This is where Jerry Springer looks for his guests.


Ready for Change

panama hat

rather disturbing stuff:

Dead bear covered with Obama signs found at school


Dead bear covered with Obama signs found at school - Yahoo! News

sabang

It's a good thing for John McCain that he's not running for president anywhere other than the United States.
Gallup surveys in 70 countries showed overwhelming international support for Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama over his Republican rival, by a whopping 4-to-1 margin.

Global survey shows world citizens prefer Barack Obama to John McCain by 4-to-1 margin

Thats one helluva margin, and to be fair more of an indictment on the Bush admin than McCain.

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S Landreth

Some more good news!



All the Metrics Point to an Obama Win


Back in 2007, when practically every pundit saw Rudy Giuliani as the inevitable Republican nominee, political guru Charlie Cook said he (Cook) was more likely to win the Tour de France then the Republicans were to nominate a thrice-married, gay-friendly New Yorker. Cook didn't win the Tour de France and Giuliani didn't win the nomination, so Cook gets a certain amount of credit. Now he says there are six factors pointing to an Obama win in two weeks:

1. No candidate this far back two weeks out has ever won.
2. Early voting is going strong and even if something big happens, those votes are already cast.
3. The Democrats have a 10% advantage in party registration; in 2004 it was even.
4. Obama is outspending McCain 4 to 1 in many states.
5. There is no evidence for the so-called Bradley effect in the past 15 years.
6. Obama is safe in all the Kerry states and ahead in half a dozen states Bush won.

Link to the rest of todays story:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

AntRobertson

Sabang; CMN; KW; and Panama Hat-to-Jet.

Flash; S Landreth; November Rain; and bkkmadness-to-keda.

ChiangMai noon

to be honest, i'm not sure why the pollsters are wasting their time on the double digit banker states.

Jet Gorgon

Jimmy Carter tried that, didn't he?