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sabang · 14-10-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by attaboy

How about sending your kid to bible camp? Does that idea get a big green light from you?

If the kid wanted to, fine by me. I'm pro choice.

You devote a lot of attention to Bill Ayers Atta, so I repeat- the average American does not give a toss about Ayers. He is not running for political office either.

The Republican Party is fanning Rightist indignation, but in the process missing the real issues that concern people by a country mile.

Boon Mee · 14-10-2008, 09:06 PM

Check this out: Obama's Tax Cut for 95% of Americans Is an Illusion.

Not only is this POS that's running for POTUS an empty suit, he's a liar too...

attaboy · 16-10-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sabang

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Originally Posted by attaboy

How about sending your kid to bible camp? Does that idea get a big green light from you?

If the kid wanted to, fine by me. I'm pro choice.

You devote a lot of attention to Bill Ayers Atta, so I repeat- the average American does not give a toss about Ayers. He is not running for political office either.

The Republican Party is fanning Rightist indignation, but in the process missing the real issues that concern people by a country mile.

The real issue is Obama's politics are too far left. Like I say if he had 12 years of experience in the Senate we would have a record of legislation to follow. As it is now we have who he allied himself with during his 'community organizing'. And we know that ACORN, one of his allies, was involved in pressuring local banks and Fanny Mae to assume risky/bad loans.

Given that he and his wife make references to Saul Alinsky and Saul describes how to win over the middle class to communist causes, it makes a person wonder about Obama, but then there isn't a track record to follow.

attaboy · 15-10-2008, 06:08 AM

(The YouTube video is screwing up my ability to post within Ant's post.)

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The young politicians coming up can filter out the old tactics of those old democrats, retain the knowledge of legislative procedure and move on away from the old hate inspiring, racial conflict peddlers of the Democrat Party.

Is there anything that you can't twist into an attack on Obama and the Democrats in general!? The Republicans have had segregationists and outright racists in their ranks, 'hate inspiring, and racial conflict peddling' is not the sole pserve of the Democrats nor is it actually something they are particularly noted for.

I'll criticize the Democrats any time I feel like, thank you very much.

So you see fit to drag the Republicans into this. The subject is the old guard Democrats who played the race card for years. Democrats used it at Congressional Financial Services Committee hearings. But that's a semi related story that has to do with Fanny Mae which has to do with ACORN which is an organization Obama worked for in a legal capacity as well as in a teaching role. I'll point it out later.

Citing Republicans does not excuse Democrats. This maneuver on your part hearkens back to the argument that the horrible actions of Al Queda does not excuse the unintentional consequences of US troop actions. Holding up both does not excuse the one, Ant. Isn't that right?

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Now that is inflammatory coming from the 'victim industry' left; the sick symbiotic relationship the do-gooder left has with their victims. The left mother smothers their 'victims of society' to fulfill their own neurotic urges to be needed by someone. It's a sick symbiosis perpetuated by the do-gooder so they can feel needed, gain approval from their peers and collect a paycheck too. The masochist seeks out he sadist. The smothering mother seeks out the societal victim. When they can't find a victim their therapist branch of the victim industry creates victims with some new pop psychology definition. These leftist are incapable of having a mature relationship with someone so they manufacture a needy dependent relationship.

Oh for petesake, amatuer psychology hour now is it. Political leanings as character study. What a load of unmitigated drivel!

Here we go again with the selective editing so you can have a chuckle. I don't mind providing you with a chuckle. Most of the time it is my intention. But you have made me out to be an advocate of pop psychology when I was pointing out that I could be a pop psychologist myself if that was what we were shooting for. You know "Rednecks" and "'Blame others' type people"?

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I care and I'm not a Redneck. I care that Obama and his campaign encourage a cult leader image. I care that the media which is supposed to be the barking dog encourages it too. I care that Obama has very little track record and what I do know is that he has formed alliances with radicals in order to get where he has gotten. He owes radicals. They expect a return on their investment in Obama's career. I care that Obama leads people to believe he was only on the periphery of the radical culture yet his family members were commies, he hung out with Marxists in college, he worked for ACORN, he formed alliances with radicals during his Annenberg years and he launched his Illinois state political career in the home of a communist and unrepentant mad bomber. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and swims with ducks, a person shouldn't discount the idea it's a duck.

Obama and his campaign do not encourage a "cult leader image"; that's merely your opinion of it, which you're entitled to, but it doesn't make it true. Or perhaps you'd like to substantiate the claims?

YouTube - Obama's Fainting Ladies

YouTube - Fainting at Obama Rallies

"The rock star Barak Obama...Wow! Five times women have fainted at Obama rallies. Tonight's big number FIVE!" - Chris Matthews

And as for all this guff about 'owing radicals' and "Commies", nonsense. What are these "alliances with radicals" that he's formed? What, exactly, does he "owe" them? All this boils down to is little more than attempted character assassination; it's only a small step away from the repeated Obama=Muslim guff. I mean come on, "commies"!? This is 2008 not the 1950's!

Don't try and associate me with Obama= Muslim accusations. ("guff" and "gumption" well done

) I can't help it if Ayers still considers himself a commie and his wife still wishes to overthrow capitalism.

YouTube - OBAMA: Bernadine Dohrn Overthrowing Capitalism 2007

People who deliver votes and cash expect their payoff when their candidate wins. It call political appointments. Traditionally, the top money gatherers are awarded with ambassador ships. Obama has said he will expand Bush's funding of faith-based organizations. Those groups who delivered votes will be given federal funds. ACORN is under alot of heat but they will get theirs too.

Obama's campaign has given ACORN $800,000.00 to assist him in his presidential campaign. He's used them in the past. He's using them now. They will get their payoff.

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Now as far as I'm concerned a person can stomp on an American flag to express themselves. Bill Ayers has thumbed his nose at America's institutions since escaping a prison sentence and Obama did business with him over a nine year period.

Bollocks. That's just the same guilt-by-association lie repeated in a slightly different way.

Ayers was one of the three founders of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CRC). They chose Obama to be board chairperson.

Obama’s Challenge by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online

This is an article from an series of articles investigating the Ayers/Obama relationship. The National Review is a periodical founded by William F. Buckley Jr. It is not some obscure blog site. You guys say Ayers and Obama only met nine times. Your information comes from the Obama campaign. That's kind of like quoting from a biased blog site don't you think? Obama is counting the board meetings where Ayers appeared before Obama's branch of the operation in an official capacity. What about all the other meetings? The telephone calls and the e-mails? Ayers was responsible for the educational projects and Obama was responsible for the distribution of funds. He doled out the cash. Those two never talked? What about the times when Obama appeared before Ayers' branch of the operation? Or the board's Governance Committee? Ayers and Obama were also part of a group of four instructed to draft the bylaws that would govern CAC. How many meetings were there to draft the by-laws?

After the first year of operation things had to change at the CRC because too much of the funds were involved in "self-dealing" The foundation was granting funds to inside people (Ayers) so things were cleaned up. The problem here is that a vast amount of the Foundations funds were committed in the first year, 1995, so that part funding would not be changed.

If a person reads the series of articles, they'll see Ayers' and Obama's relationship. The picture I'm getting is Ayers organized the community activist groups and Obma funded them through the CRC foundation. Obama and Ayers used the foundation to channel funds to community organizer groups like ACORN who could then be used down the road to assist Obama in organizing election turnouts for Obama when he began his political career. The educational results of the CRC foundation were dismal but Obama did get elected to the Illinois State Senate.

According to CAC’s own report: “There were no statistically significant differences in student achievement between Annenberg schools and demographically similar non-Annenberg schools. This indicates that there was no Annenberg effect on achievement.”

A series of critical evaluations point to reasons for that failure, including a poor strategy, to which the foundation over-committed in 1995, and over-reliance on community organizers with insufficient education expertise. (Where were the teachers?)

Obama and Ayers were part of a foundation established to improve Chicago's schools. The evaluation of CRC shows there was no gain in student achievement. They used the foundations funds for their personal ambitions. I understand most people don't do anything for free. They want to get something out of their involvement. Most people accept a paycheck.

Obama was channeling funds to ACORN, the organization he taught leadership programs to and the organization he represented in lawsuits against lending institutions. ACORN was a activist group which put pressure on lending institutions to make more home loans to the poor and minorities. They would picket in front of bank president's homes. They would flood a bank lobby with people so business was disrupted. They asked for and received contributions from banks to further their cause.

For Obama's and Ayers' efforts not much was achieved in improving children's grades.

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This isn't about Obama being eight years old when Ayers and his wife bombed the US Capitol. This is about Obama funding Bill Ayers' educational experiments on the minds of young American children - Bill Ayers being a unrepentant mad bomber communist. I don't want Bill Ayers experimenting on America's youth. Obama through his position at the Woods Foundation and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge funded the experiments on children's minds.

And before you laugh. How about sending your kid to bible camp? Does that idea get a big green light from you?

Before I laugh hows about providing a link for the above?

Ant don't be so literal. The experimental education practices are experiments on kids minds. Education effects kids minds.

The Chicago Annenberg Challenges's agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers's educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland's ghetto.

In works like "City Kids, City Teachers" and "Teaching the Personal and the Political," Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? "I'm a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist," Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk's, "Sixties Radicals," at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.

CAC translated Mr. Ayers's radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with "external partners," which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or ACORN).

CAC also funded programs designed to promote "leadership" among parents. Ostensibly this was to enable parents to advocate on behalf of their children's education. In practice, it meant funding Mr. Obama's alma mater, the Developing Communities Project, to recruit parents to its overall political agenda. CAC records show that board member Arnold Weber was concerned that parents "organized" by community groups might be viewed by school principals "as a political threat." Mr. Obama arranged meetings with the Collaborative to smooth out Mr. Weber's objections.

Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools - WSJ.com

I don't have a problem with the spirit of this idea: Empower parents. Give parents the tools to influence school district bureaucrats and to influence the bureaucracy that resists change. It's a good idea in theory. Too bad it didn't have an effect on the children's grades. It did help Obama to organize a community activism force he later used to win a seat on the Illinois state senate though.

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Speaking of Obama's neighborhood, did you know Ayers is for 'prison abolition'? That means all prisons should be torn down. All convicted criminals would wear an ankle bracelet and remain in society because it's healthier mentally and physically for them. Nevermind the rest of us. We must learn to cope with it in our faces. We must do our share to rehabilitate a criminal mind by having them live right in physical proximity. I don't like that idea. It's too naive. Bill Ayers doesn't live with criminals like he wants the rest of us to do. He lives two blocks from Barak Obama.

So what!? Bill Ayers is not Barack Obama, who cares what his ideas on prison reform are? Bill Ayers isn't running for President of the US, Bill Ayers is entitled to his own opinions and ideas but - whatever those might be - they have exactly zero bearing on Obama and the election.

Oh hang on, he lives two blocks from Obama?? Well I guess that means Obama must be for the exact same thing then!

Heh, you combined your response to two separate posts. My separate response to Boon's humor now appears to be made in the same context as my main post.

attaboy · 15-10-2008, 06:54 AM

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Nonsense, your candidate was chosen for you by the party faithful during the primaries. Nobody seemed to have a problem then. And isn't callling for Obama's head to express your frustration with McCain a bit the same as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I'd like to add, what the Hell do you know about the elections?

I mean do you watch US television for hours? I'd guess you're reading magazines. I'd be curious to know which media is filtering your view. Is the radio on your desk or in your car tuned to talk radio? Are you listening for hours during the day while you drive? Do you watch live feed on C-SPAN?

Milkman · 15-10-2008, 08:39 AM

Ohio is still very tight. With the youtube of rural high school educated whites and their fears, the economy is bad enough to make a difference, possibly. As the article states, I do believe, that Ohio is do or die for McCain. Ohio is in the Eastern Time Zone. If Ohio comes into the networks as a BO win, that fat lady will have sung:

This is also likely the case fo NC, FL, and VA.

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Ohio's economic fears trump race card in Presidential race

BY DAVID SALTONSTALL

DAILY NEWS SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
Tuesday, October 14th 2008

Hong/AP Barack Obama greets supporters at a rally at the Seagate Convention Center in Toledo, Ohio, Monday

DAYTON, Ohio - Suddenly, the presidential contest here is less about black and white and more about green, as in the frightening evaporation of trillions of Americans' dollars.

The nation's economic tsunami is muddying old assumptions about how race will sway voters in this mother of all electoral battlegrounds and other hard-hit swing states.

"It's not unusual for people here to express racist beliefs openly," said Bill Clemmens, 60, a white, small businessman who supports Democrat Barack Obama. "But I also believe many of those who 10 years ago might have been described as abject bigots will vote for Obama."

"The economy just trumps racism at this point," said Clemmens, adding that many Republicans he knows in his Dayton neighborhood simply feel "suckered" by the last eight years.

In short, said Clemmens and other Ohioans, many white voters who wouldn't have dreamed of supporting Obama even a year ago are looking at their ravaged 401(k) and IRA accounts and taking a second look at the Democrat's pitch to the working class.

It's a dangerous trend for Republican John McCain, for whom winning Ohio looks do or die, given how economic storm clouds have already altered the electoral map, many experts believe.

Link & entire: Ohio's economic fears trump race card in Presidential race

Milkman · 15-10-2008, 09:15 AM

This is more momentum.

I agree with the last paragraph in bold.

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October 14, 2008
Buckley leaves National Review after Obama endorsement

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Buckley has resigned his post from the National Review.

(CNN) — Christopher Buckley, the son of conservative icon William F. Buckley, said Tuesday he's resigned from the conservative National Review days after endorsing Barack Obama's White House bid, among the most powerful symbols yet of the conservative discontent expressed this election cycle.

In an online column, Buckley said he had decided to offer his resignation from the magazine his father founded after hundreds of readers and some National Review colleagues expressed outrage he was backing the Illinois senator.

"While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for," Buckley wrote.

"Eight years of 'conservative' government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case," he also wrote.

Link & entire: CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time - Blogs from CNN.com

sabang · 15-10-2008, 10:57 AM

The McCain campaign’s recent angry tone and sharply personal attacks on Senator Barack Obama appear to have backfired and tarnished Senator John McCain more than their intended target, the latest New York Times/CBS News poll has found.

After several weeks in which the McCain campaign unleashed a series of strong political attacks on Mr. Obama, trying to tie him to a former 1960s radical, among other things, the poll found that more voters see Mr. McCain as waging a negative campaign than Mr. Obama. Six in 10 voters surveyed said that Mr. McCain had spent more time attacking Mr. Obama than explaining what he would do as president; by about the same number, voters said Mr. Obama was spending more of his time explaining than attacking.

Over all, the poll found that if the election were held today, 53 percent of those determined to be probable voters said they would vote for Mr. Obama and 39 percent said they would vote for Mr. McCain.

The top reasons cited by those who said they thought less of Mr. McCain were his recent attacks and his choice of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska as his running mate. (The vast majority said their opinions of Mr. Obama of Illinois, the Democratic nominee, and Mr. McCain of Arizona, the Republican nominee, had remained unchanged in recent weeks.) But in recent days, Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin have scaled back their attacks on Mr. Obama, although Mr. McCain suggested he might aggressively take on Mr. Obama in Wednesday’s debate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/15/us...15poll.html?hp

attaboy · 16-10-2008, 12:20 AM

It's rumored the debate moderator, Bob Shieffer, will bring up Ayers. It's too late. It should have been asked when the time was ripe to flesh it out. Ayers will probably blow up in McCain's face like a novelty cigar. Once again McCain's campaign is a half beat off the pace. He's out of synch. McCain is the candidate but he's not what the GOP wants.

He is worried about what the independents think of him rather than telling the independents who Obama is and what the Democrats will do with their slogan of CHANGE. Point out how they raided Fanny Mae while taking piles of cash from lobbyists; Obama coming in a strong second on cash donations, Obama linked to ACORN, ACORN linked to bad loans, everyone getting fat at the trough.

As a leader, McCain should be taking on people's feelings, shaping them and channeling them into an argument against Obama's socialist ambitions. If McCain did this his supporters wouldn't be frustrated and shouting.

Why doesn't McCain do this? Because he is a liberal Republican. He is not far from being a full fledged Democrat in his political beliefs. He is not the religious right. He will not govern from the right. He will govern from the left only not as far left as Obama would like to govern from.

McCain is about equal to Hillary on the left-to-right scale.

Milkman · 16-10-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by attaboy

It's rumored the debate moderator, Bob Shieffer, will bring up Ayers. It's too late. It should have been asked when the time was ripe to flesh it out. Ayers will probably blow up in McCain's face like a novelty cigar. Once again McCain's campaign is a half beat off the pace. He's out of synch.

Yes.

The fake Bill Ayers story has already back-fired.

It was a mistake by the McCain campaign, IMO.

The 1960s are over. It was forty years ago.

A BIG mistake.

attaboy · 16-10-2008, 01:46 AM

I don't think it's a mistake to show Obama and Ayers got their hands on a philanthropist money (the Chicago Annenberg Challenge) and Obama used it to fund Ayers convoluted activism programs when it was meant to be used for education. The CRC's own reports say there was "over-reliance on community organizers with insufficient education expertise".

His alliance with Ayers shows the type of politics and programs Obama is game for: as Ayers says "communist with a small "c"".

Milkman · 16-10-2008, 08:56 PM

Virginia is critical. If.... this polling is accurate, and Obama is up by double digits or near double digist in VA, this will be the first time VA has voted for a Democrat for President in 44 years.

Come election night....if Obama wins Virgina.

This is, over.

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CNN Deputy Political Director

HEMPSTEAD, New York (CNN) -- If the presidential election were held today, the latest update of the CNN Electoral College Map estimates Democratic candidate Barack Obama would win enough electoral votes to capture the White House.

CNN's new Electoral College Map was released Wednesday.

The new map indicates that Sen. Obama would have 277 electoral votes, with Sen. John McCain, the Republican candidate, amassing 174 electoral votes; 87 electoral votes are still up for grabs in several states.

In order to win the presidency, a candidate needs 270 electoral votes.
The new estimate for Obama is a change from CNN's October 7 Electoral College Map, which indicated he would take 264 electoral votes.

Interactive: CNN's new Electoral Map Calculator
Obama picked up 13 electoral votes when Virginia was moved from the category of tossup state to a state that is leaning toward him. That put him over the 270 electoral-vote threshold needed to win the White House.

"Virginia hasn't gone Democratic in 44 years," said Alan Silverleib, CNN
senior political researcher. "But a number of polls -- including our own -- now show Obama up double digits there. And, as the map shows, if Obama holds that lead, it may be enough to put him into the White House."

"Conversely, McCain really can't afford to lose Virginia's 13 electoral votes. That state is a key part of the Republican electoral coalition," Silverleib added.

Link & Entire: CNN Electoral Map: Obama would win if election held today - CNN.com

Larn · 16-10-2008, 09:20 PM

Looks like the irish vote is for Obama

All bets off - Obama's won

From correspondents in Dublin October 16, 2008 11:01pm

IRELAND'S biggest bookmaker, Paddy Power, will pay out early more than 1 million euros ($1.35 million) on bets that Barack Obama will be the next U.S. president, three weeks ahead of the election.

The Dublin-based bookmaker said it made the "unprecedented decision" to pay on bets taken so far, following Wednesday's final campaign debate between Obama and his Republican rival John McCain, which polls judged the Democrat to have won.

"We declare this race well and truly over and congratulate all those who backed Obama," Power said.

"Although he seemed a little out of sorts in last night's final debate we believe he has done more than enough to get him across the line on November 4."

The bookmaker said the overall betting trend had shown "one- way traffic" for the Illinois senator since the start of the summer, with odds shortening to 1-9, meaning a bet of €9 is required to make €1 profit.

Power said it had taken more than 10,000 bets on the 2008 U.S. presidential election, the majority in support of Obama.

In June a wager of €100,000 was placed on Obama to win at odds of 1-2, yielding a payout of €150,000, it said.

All bets off - Obama&squo;s won | The Courier-Mail

Milkman · 17-10-2008, 09:02 AM

Obama will buy a 30 minute time-slot on at least 3 major networks on October 29th.

This is rarely done. (Perot did this.) BO will deliver his message directly to the public. Will people tune in?

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Delay of Game: MLB Will Move a Game 6 for Obama

Would Start World Series Game 15 Minutes Later

Posted by Ira Teinowitz on 10.15.08

WASHINGTON (AdAge.com) --Major League Baseball has moved back the scheduled start time of a possible game six of the World Series so Fox can also air the half-hour spot from Sen. Barack Obama on Oct. 29.

A network spokeswoman confirmed the buy and said MLB had agreed to the network's request for the delay.

Fox now joins CBS and NBC in airing the half hour program, whose content the Obama campaign has declined to describe. The decision means the Obama campaign is now spending close to $3 million to air the program from 8 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. that night on at least three networks. ABC didn't immediately return a message asking whether it too has now agreed to a buy, a move which would create an unprecedented roadblock of the nation's biggest commercial networks.

Link: Delay of Game: MLB Will Move a Game 6 for Obama - Advertising Age - Campaign Trail

sabang · 17-10-2008, 09:21 AM

Is there anyone that Matters actually backing McCain? Apart from Rupert Murdoch that is.

This could be a cunning Rovian ploy to win by sympathy vote.

Thormaturge · 17-10-2008, 10:47 AM

Obama's biggest worry must be that youth vote.

Yes hundreds of thousands of young people support him. Millions even.

Young people don't always bother turning up to vote, however. Older people tend to turn out through a sense of public duty. It just needs the young voters to decide, on the day, that politicians are all a tad stuffy, and Obama is on his own.

Franky I am disappointed with McCain's stance over the bank bailout so I don't care who runs the world from next year, but Obama isn't a shoe-in by any means.

McCain should have stood up against the bailout and proposed a viable alternative that benefitted the average voter far more. Let the huge banks fail, so long as you still have a large network of banks that are closer to the community and which people trust. Support the people and they will decide which banks can be trusted and which banks should therefore succeed. Give people a $ 3,000 tax rebate and let them decide which bank to deposit it in.

ChiangMai noon · 17-10-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Thormaturge

but Obama isn't a shoe-in by any means.

Paddy Power Irish bookmakers think he is.

they have already paid out millions to anyone who backed Obama.

it's game over for certain.

good2bhappy · 17-10-2008, 10:57 AM

unless something big breaks in the next 2 weeks it looks like an Obama victory.
Does the GOP have an ace in its hole?

ChiangMai noon · 17-10-2008, 11:02 AM

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Does the GOP have an ace in its hole?

a war with some Arabs mightn't hurt.

I think Mcain's debate was supposed to be his ace.

he had nothing to lose and clearly decided to go for it with the negative approach.

every time he did this his numbers dropped further.
the debate was a dreadful disaster for him.

during the debate in response to the critisism of his campaign's tactics he should have said something along the lines of.....
'I am disgusted with the xenophobic nature of my campaign and the violent intent of some of my so called supporters. Mr Obama is neither a terrorist or a muslim, his christian faith and patriotism are at least as strong as mine. i will not tolerate an more of these lies and half truths at my rallies, please let us continue to focus on the real issues at hand.'

sadly he didn't, mean little fukker.

sabang · 17-10-2008, 11:08 AM

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Does the GOP have an ace in its hole?

Yes, Republican Judges in swing states co-operating with the GOP to deny recently enlisted voters a vote on any pretext they can find, including clerical or typing errors.

I doubt it will be enough though, and hopefully Obama will use this fact to motivate even more people to show up on the day and vote and put the result beyond dispute- because you can bet that the GOP will take matters to court on any flimsy pretext they can if they sense a chance of overcoming an election result in a state.

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sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 01:20 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,566	Attacks Backfire on McCain The McCain campaign’s recent angry tone and sharply personal attacks on Senator Barack Obama appear to have backfired and tarnished Senator John McCain more than their intended target, the latest New York Times/CBS News poll has found. After several weeks in which the McCain campaign unleashed a series of strong political attacks on Mr. Obama, trying to tie him to a former 1960s radical, among other things, the poll found that more voters see Mr. McCain as waging a negative campaign than Mr. Obama. Six in 10 voters surveyed said that Mr. McCain had spent more time attacking Mr. Obama than explaining what he would do as president; by about the same number, voters said Mr. Obama was spending more of his time explaining than attacking. Over all, the poll found that if the election were held today, 53 percent of those determined to be probable voters said they would vote for Mr. Obama and 39 percent said they would vote for Mr. McCain. The top reasons cited by those who said they thought less of Mr. McCain were his recent attacks and his choice of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska as his running mate. (The vast majority said their opinions of Mr. Obama of Illinois, the Democratic nominee, and Mr. McCain of Arizona, the Republican nominee, had remained unchanged in recent weeks.) But in recent days, Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin have scaled back their attacks on Mr. Obama, although Mr. McCain suggested he might aggressively take on Mr. Obama in Wednesday’s debate. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/15/us...15poll.html?hp

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attaboy Elite Member Last Online: 01-11-2009 06:53 AM Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,902	It's rumored the debate moderator, Bob Shieffer, will bring up Ayers. It's too late. It should have been asked when the time was ripe to flesh it out. Ayers will probably blow up in McCain's face like a novelty cigar. Once again McCain's campaign is a half beat off the pace. He's out of synch. McCain is the candidate but he's not what the GOP wants. He is worried about what the independents think of him rather than telling the independents who Obama is and what the Democrats will do with their slogan of CHANGE. Point out how they raided Fanny Mae while taking piles of cash from lobbyists; Obama coming in a strong second on cash donations, Obama linked to ACORN, ACORN linked to bad loans, everyone getting fat at the trough. As a leader, McCain should be taking on people's feelings, shaping them and channeling them into an argument against Obama's socialist ambitions. If McCain did this his supporters wouldn't be frustrated and shouting. Why doesn't McCain do this? Because he is a liberal Republican. He is not far from being a full fledged Democrat in his political beliefs. He is not the religious right. He will not govern from the right. He will govern from the left only not as far left as Obama would like to govern from. McCain is about equal to Hillary on the left-to-right scale.

16-10-2008, 01:46 AM	#11 (permalink)
attaboy Elite Member Last Online: 01-11-2009 06:53 AM Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,902	I don't think it's a mistake to show Obama and Ayers got their hands on a philanthropist money (the Chicago Annenberg Challenge) and Obama used it to fund Ayers convoluted activism programs when it was meant to be used for education. The CRC's own reports say there was "over-reliance on community organizers with insufficient education expertise". His alliance with Ayers shows the type of politics and programs Obama is game for: as Ayers says "communist with a small "c"".

16-10-2008, 09:20 PM	#13 (permalink)
Larn Koh Lanta Last Online: Yesterday 09:18 PM Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 109	Looks like the irish vote is for Obama All bets off - Obama's won From correspondents in Dublin October 16, 2008 11:01pm IRELAND'S biggest bookmaker, Paddy Power, will pay out early more than 1 million euros ($1.35 million) on bets that Barack Obama will be the next U.S. president, three weeks ahead of the election. The Dublin-based bookmaker said it made the "unprecedented decision" to pay on bets taken so far, following Wednesday's final campaign debate between Obama and his Republican rival John McCain, which polls judged the Democrat to have won. "We declare this race well and truly over and congratulate all those who backed Obama," Power said. "Although he seemed a little out of sorts in last night's final debate we believe he has done more than enough to get him across the line on November 4." The bookmaker said the overall betting trend had shown "one- way traffic" for the Illinois senator since the start of the summer, with odds shortening to 1-9, meaning a bet of €9 is required to make €1 profit. Power said it had taken more than 10,000 bets on the 2008 U.S. presidential election, the majority in support of Obama. In June a wager of €100,000 was placed on Obama to win at odds of 1-2, yielding a payout of €150,000, it said. All bets off - Obama&squo;s won \| The Courier-Mail

17-10-2008, 09:21 AM	#15 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 01:20 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,566	Is there anyone that Matters actually backing McCain? Apart from Rupert Murdoch that is. This could be a cunning Rovian ploy to win by sympathy vote.

17-10-2008, 10:47 AM	#16 (permalink)
Thormaturge Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,518	Obama's biggest worry must be that youth vote. Yes hundreds of thousands of young people support him. Millions even. Young people don't always bother turning up to vote, however. Older people tend to turn out through a sense of public duty. It just needs the young voters to decide, on the day, that politicians are all a tad stuffy, and Obama is on his own. Franky I am disappointed with McCain's stance over the bank bailout so I don't care who runs the world from next year, but Obama isn't a shoe-in by any means. McCain should have stood up against the bailout and proposed a viable alternative that benefitted the average voter far more. Let the huge banks fail, so long as you still have a large network of banks that are closer to the community and which people trust. Support the people and they will decide which banks can be trusted and which banks should therefore succeed. Give people a $ 3,000 tax rebate and let them decide which bank to deposit it in.

17-10-2008, 10:57 AM	#18 (permalink)
good2bhappy Thailand Travel Forum Last Online: Today 02:33 PM Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Klong Samwa Posts: 11,056	unless something big breaks in the next 2 weeks it looks like an Obama victory. Does the GOP have an ace in its hole?

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