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Old 11-10-2008, 02:27 PM   #561 (permalink)
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Here is another reason, why I think some people will look down on the McCain campaign. It's not McCain, but some of the people attending his rallies, shouting statements like "off with his head," and "traitor," and "he's and Arab." McCain actually had to try to reign them in. And then the crowd booed him. Nothing seem to be looking good for McCain:

This article is worth the browse:

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McCain booed after trying to calm anti-Obama crowd


October 11, 2008
By PHILIP ELLIOTT and BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writers 42 minutes ago

LAKEVILLE, Minn. - The anger is getting raw at Republican rallies and John McCain is acting to tamp it down. McCain was booed by his own supporters Friday when, in an abrupt switch from raising questions about Barack Obama's character, he described the Democrat as a "decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States."


A sense of grievance spilling into rage has gripped some GOP events this week as McCain supporters see his presidential campaign lag against Obama. Some in the audience are making it personal, against the Democrat. Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd at McCain and Sarah Palin rallies, and gone unchallenged by them.
This, above, makes McCain and Palin look bad, IMO.


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McCain changed his tone Friday when supporters at a town hall pressed him to be rougher on Obama. A voter said, "The people here in Minnesota want to see a real fight." Another said Obama would lead the U.S. into socialism. Another said he did not want his unborn child raised in a country led by Obama.


"If you want a fight, we will fight," McCain said. "But we will be respectful. I admire Sen. Obama and his accomplishments." When people booed, he cut them off.
"I don't mean that has to reduce your ferocity," he said. "I just mean to say you have to be respectful."


Presidential candidates are accustomed to raucous rallies this close to Election Day and welcome the enthusiasm. But they are also traditionally monitors of sorts from the stage. Part of their job is to leaven proceedings if tempers run ragged and to rein in an out-of-bounds comment from the crowd.


Not so much this week, at GOP rallies in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida and other states.


When a visibly angry McCain supporter in Waukesha, Wis., on Thursday told the candidate "I'm really mad" because of "socialists taking over the country," McCain stoked the sentiment. "I think I got the message," he said. "The gentleman is right." He went on to talk about Democrats in control of Congress.
On Friday, McCain rejected the bait.


"I don't trust Obama," a woman said. "I have read about him. He's an Arab."
McCain shook his head in disagreement, and said:


"No, ma'am. He's a decent, family man, a citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with (him) on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about."



He had drawn boos with his comment: "I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States."
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Old 11-10-2008, 02:59 PM   #562 (permalink)
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As I have said before, McCain is an honorable guy and his push back against the attacks on Obama are an example. Problem though, with the ads I have seen coming out of the McCain campaign camp and the statements of Palin what does McCain expect he will be hearing at his rallies.
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Old 11-10-2008, 10:40 PM   #563 (permalink)
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This was posted elsewhere on another thread. But it's worth putting here, IMO.

Ignorance is too kind of word. Rural white people who "work with their hands" and earn less than the median income.

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i opened a new thread when i maybe should have added it here.
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I am not a fan of "formal education." But the people below are likely uneducated formally. More importantly, they haven't educated themselves - meaning, self-taught themselves.

If wants to learn about facts and check out stories and rumors for falsehood or exagerrations, they can do so.

These people, obviously haven't. White trash. From rural areas and small towns.

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^was that Booners appearing there in the background?
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I said BO was the man back on October 4th, 2008. Now that Zogby is commenting, I think this is a very good sign.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has opened a 6-point lead over Republican rival John McCain in the U.S. presidential race, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Sunday.

Obama leads McCain by 49 percent to 43 percent among likely U.S. voters in the latest four-day tracking poll, his widest lead since the poll was started on Tuesday. It was up from a 4-point lead on Saturday. The poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.

Pollster John Zogby said Obama's lead was now statistically significant.

"As we watch each day, it is clear that he has gone from a 2-point lead to a 3-point lead on up to 6 points," Zogby said. "It is certainly trending his way."

With just over three weeks to go before the November 4 election, the poll showed Obama gaining traction among independent voters who now back him by a 21-point margin.

Among women, another crucial group, the Illinois senator held a solid 12-point lead, while the two candidates were tied among male voters at 45 percent apiece.

Obama has widened his lead as weeks of economic turmoil shook financial markets, causing stock markets to plunge and fueling voter concern over pocketbook issues.

Young voters aged 18 to 29 backed Obama by a 20-point margin, and he also held a double-digit lead among those who reported they had registered to vote in the past six months.
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And back to the concept of....momentum.

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A Buckley endorses Obama
Posted: 11:08 PM ET

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Christopher Buckley, son of William F. Buckley, is backing Obama.



(CNN) — No, hell has not frozen over, but a Buckley is backing a Democrat for president.

Christopher Buckley, the son of the late conservative icon William F. Buckley, said Friday he's decided to back Barack Obama's White House bid, the first time in his life he will vote Democrat.

“It’s a good thing my dear old mum and pup [sic] are no longer alive. They’d cut off my allowance," Buckley, a columnist for the conservative National Review, wrote on the Web site The Daily Beast Friday.

Buckley, who praised McCain in a New York Times Op-Ed earlier this year and defended the Arizona senator's conservative credentials against wary talk-radio hosts, said McCain is no longer the “real” and “unconventional” man he once admired.
Entire & Link: CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - A Buckley endorses Obama « - Blogs from CNN.com
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^While we are talking about momentum, I noted on my 'Martial Law' thread that Paddy Power have now slashed their odds on a postponed election from 40-1 to 20-1. Who put money on at the higher price?
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Mo momentum. More mo'. I am starting to get giddy, but I know that I must keep my fingers crossed.

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Obama up by 10 points among likely voters

Poll: McCain favorability ratings fall just 3 weeks before Election Day

By Anne E. Kornblut and Jon Cohen

ET Oct. 13, 2008

With just over three weeks until Election Day, the two presidential nominees appear to be on opposite trajectories, with Sen. Barack Obama gaining momentum and Sen. John McCain stalled or losing ground on a range of issues and personal traits, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Overall, Obama is leading 53 percent to 43 percent among likely voters, and for the first time in the general-election campaign, voters gave the Democrat a clear edge on tax policy and providing strong leadership.
Link & entire: Poll: Obama up by 10 points - Washington Post - MSNBC.com
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^^True- last minute swings can happen.

But do you really think the average American gives a toss that Obama sat on a charity board with Bill Ayers? The average American wasn't born even then- the only people who care are aging Rednecks, the type of people who blame the protest movement for the loss of the VN war, and probably don't like Nigga's either. The same people desperately trying to shift blame to the Dem's for the current financial collapse- yep, 'Blame others' type people. We all know who they vote for, no matter what.

This is no way to win an election and it just highlights, to a thinking person, what a totally empty shell the modern day Republican party has become. You can thank the Bush administration for that, although I know you will blame Obama instead.
"You" in general terms or me specifically? I'll give history time to age Bush's decisions. At the moment it doesn't look very good. Bush the Destroyer comes to mind as to what he's done to the Republican party.

John McCain is too old and too stiff because he can't be himself, a liberal Republican. The media chose our candidate for us and people are expressing their frustration with the guy at GOP rallies. Calling for Obama's "head" is their way of expressing their disappointment in McCain being their candidate. McCain is ineffective. People don't want him to politely fall on his sword which is what he appears to be doing. There is still time for him to turn this around if he has the gumption to do it. ( I use the word 'gumption' because it fits snuggly to McCain's dentures. )

I'm amazed. Obama said the republicans would play the race card. It was Obama who used it on Clinton and McCain. Democrats and the media said McCain has a temper. While Joe Biden angrily shouts what patriotism should be defined as:

“You know, I was criticized by Sarah Palin for talking about patriotism,” said Biden to booing from the crowd.

“It's okay, for talking about patriotism and taxes. Well let me tell you what the people I grew up [with] in Green Ridge and Claymont and Wilmington think is unpatriotic: they think it's unpatriotic when you earn your money in the United States of America and you hide it offshore to avoid taxes making sure you have to make up the difference! It is unpatriotic to take a hundred billion dollars offshore and not pay your taxes!”
- angry shouting Joe Biden at Democrat rally.

McCain has nothing to lose he can go back to his cushy Senate job after the election. It's better for him if he doesn't insult the Democrats too much. That makes him a Democrat lackey.

This bullshit of Lewis equating McCain to George Wallace the Democrat governor of Alabama is way out of line. Those old Democrats, like Lewis, can't help playing the race card. It's all they know. It's time for them to pass on what they learned in life and retire. The young politicians coming up can filter out the old tactics of those old democrats, retain the knowledge of legislative procedure and move on away from the old hate inspiring, racial conflict peddlers of the Democrat Party.


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? Now that is inflammatory coming from the 'victim industry' left; the sick symbiotic relationship the do-gooder left has with their victims. The left mother smothers their 'victims of society' to fulfill their own neurotic urges to be needed by someone. It's a sick symbiosis perpetuated by the do-gooder so they can feel needed, gain approval from their peers and collect a paycheck too. The masochist seeks out he sadist. The smothering mother seeks out the societal victim. When they can't find a victim their therapist branch of the victim industry creates victims with some new pop psychology definition. These leftist are incapable of having a mature relationship with someone so they manufacture a needy dependent relationship.

My above accusations are no worse than yours. Cows are not only found on the right side of the fence. The left has their share of idiots.

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? I care and I'm not a Redneck. I care that Obama and his campaign encourage a cult leader image. I care that the media which is supposed to be the barking dog encourages it too. I care that Obama has very little track record and what I do know is that he has formed alliances with radicals in order to get where he has gotten. He owes radicals. They expect a return on their investment in Obama's career. I care that Obama leads people to believe he was only on the periphery of the radical culture yet his family members were commies, he hung out with Marxists in college, he worked for ACORN, he formed alliances with radicals during his Annenberg years and he launched his Illinois state political career in the home of a communist and unrepentant mad bomber. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and swims with ducks, a person shouldn't discount the idea it's a duck.




"Guilty as sin, free as a bird, what a country,America!" - says Bill Ayers as he is photographed stomping on an American flag.

Now as far as I'm concerned a person can stomp on an American flag to express themselves. Bill Ayers has thumbed his nose at America's institutions since escaping a prison sentence and Obama did business with him over a nine year period. This isn't about Obama being eight years old when Ayers and his wife bombed the US Capitol. This is about Obama funding Bill Ayers' educational experiments on the minds of young American children - Bill Ayers being a unrepentant mad bomber communist. I don't want Bill Ayers experimenting on America's youth. Obama through his position at the Woods Foundation and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge funded the experiments on children's minds.

And before you laugh. How about sending your kid to bible camp? Does that idea get a big green light from you?
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At some point, shouldn't Obama be called a serial liar?


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^Speaking of Obama's neighborhood, did you know Ayers is for 'prison abolition'? That means all prisons should be torn down. All convicted criminals would wear an ankle bracelet and remain in society because it's healthier mentally and physically for them. Nevermind the rest of us. We must learn to cope with it in our faces. We must do our share to rehabilitate a criminal mind by having them live right in physical proximity. I don't like that idea. It's too naive. Bill Ayers doesn't live with criminals like he wants the rest of us to do. He lives two blocks from Barak Obama.
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^ Isn't one of them a person who should have been convicted and be a criminal?
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I see your point Ayers who should be in prison says it's bad.... people shouldn't have to go to prison. Therefore it's okay that he didn't go.... coz it's bad.
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The media chose our candidate for us and people are expressing their frustration with the guy at GOP rallies. Calling for Obama's "head" is their way of expressing their disappointment in McCain being their candidate. McCain is ineffective. People don't want him to politely fall on his sword which is what he appears to be doing. There is still time for him to turn this around if he has the gumption to do it. ( I use the word 'gumption' because it fits snuggly to McCain's dentures. )
Nonsense, your candidate was chosen for you by the party faithful during the primaries. Nobody seemed to have a problem then. And isn't callling for Obama's head to express your frustration with McCain a bit the same as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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I'm amazed. Obama said the republicans would play the race card. It was Obama who used it on Clinton and McCain. Democrats and the media said McCain has a temper. While Joe Biden angrily shouts what patriotism should be defined as:

“You know, I was criticized by Sarah Palin for talking about patriotism,” said Biden to booing from the crowd.

“It's okay, for talking about patriotism and taxes. Well let me tell you what the people I grew up [with] in Green Ridge and Claymont and Wilmington think is unpatriotic: they think it's unpatriotic when you earn your money in the United States of America and you hide it offshore to avoid taxes making sure you have to make up the difference! It is unpatriotic to take a hundred billion dollars offshore and not pay your taxes!” - angry shouting Joe Biden at Democrat rally.
Obama did not say that the Republicans would play the race card. He has specifically steered away from it because he's the minority and racism, almost by definition, does not benefit the minority. Where do you get this stuff from??

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The young politicians coming up can filter out the old tactics of those old democrats, retain the knowledge of legislative procedure and move on away from the old hate inspiring, racial conflict peddlers of the Democrat Party.
Is there anything that you can't twist into an attack on Obama and the Democrats in general!? The Republicans have had segregationists and outright racists in their ranks, 'hate inspiring, and racial conflict peddling' is not the sole pserve of the Democrats nor is it actually something they are particularly noted for.

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Now that is inflammatory coming from the 'victim industry' left; the sick symbiotic relationship the do-gooder left has with their victims. The left mother smothers their 'victims of society' to fulfill their own neurotic urges to be needed by someone. It's a sick symbiosis perpetuated by the do-gooder so they can feel needed, gain approval from their peers and collect a paycheck too. The masochist seeks out he sadist. The smothering mother seeks out the societal victim. When they can't find a victim their therapist branch of the victim industry creates victims with some new pop psychology definition. These leftist are incapable of having a mature relationship with someone so they manufacture a needy dependent relationship.
Oh for petesake, amatuer psychology hour now is it. Political leanings as character study. What a load of unmitigated drivel!

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I care and I'm not a Redneck. I care that Obama and his campaign encourage a cult leader image. I care that the media which is supposed to be the barking dog encourages it too. I care that Obama has very little track record and what I do know is that he has formed alliances with radicals in order to get where he has gotten. He owes radicals. They expect a return on their investment in Obama's career. I care that Obama leads people to believe he was only on the periphery of the radical culture yet his family members were commies, he hung out with Marxists in college, he worked for ACORN, he formed alliances with radicals during his Annenberg years and he launched his Illinois state political career in the home of a communist and unrepentant mad bomber. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and swims with ducks, a person shouldn't discount the idea it's a duck.
Obama and his campaign do not encourage a "cult leader image"; that's merely your opinion of it, which you're entitled to, but it doesn't make it true. Or perhaps you'd like to substantiate the claims?

And as for all this guff about 'owing radicals' and "Commies", nonsense. What are these "alliances with radicals" that he's formed? What, exactly, does he "owe" them? All this boils down to is little more than attempted character assassination; it's only a small step away from the repeated Obama=Muslim guff. I mean come on, "commies"!? This is 2008 not the 1950's!

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Now as far as I'm concerned a person can stomp on an American flag to express themselves. Bill Ayers has thumbed his nose at America's institutions since escaping a prison sentence and Obama did business with him over a nine year period.
Bollocks. That's just the same guilt-by-association lie repeated in a slightly different way.

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This isn't about Obama being eight years old when Ayers and his wife bombed the US Capitol. This is about Obama funding Bill Ayers' educational experiments on the minds of young American children - Bill Ayers being a unrepentant mad bomber communist. I don't want Bill Ayers experimenting on America's youth. Obama through his position at the Woods Foundation and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge funded the experiments on children's minds.

And before you laugh. How about sending your kid to bible camp? Does that idea get a big green light from you?
Before I laugh hows about providing a link for the above?

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Speaking of Obama's neighborhood, did you know Ayers is for 'prison abolition'? That means all prisons should be torn down. All convicted criminals would wear an ankle bracelet and remain in society because it's healthier mentally and physically for them. Nevermind the rest of us. We must learn to cope with it in our faces. We must do our share to rehabilitate a criminal mind by having them live right in physical proximity. I don't like that idea. It's too naive. Bill Ayers doesn't live with criminals like he wants the rest of us to do. He lives two blocks from Barak Obama.
So what!? Bill Ayers is not Barack Obama, who cares what his ideas on prison reform are? Bill Ayers isn't running for President of the US, Bill Ayers is entitled to his own opinions and ideas but - whatever those might be - they have exactly zero bearing on Obama and the election.

Oh hang on, he lives two blocks from Obama?? Well I guess that means Obama must be for the exact same thing then!
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^ Isn't one of them a person who should have been convicted and be a criminal?
Yes he probably should've been. A pity then that the FBI broke several laws in their investigation. Laws and procedures that are there for a reason.

Goes to show that the system works though doesn't it.
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