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View Poll Results: Who will be the next US President?
Obama 33 66.00%
McCain 12 24.00%
Neither 1 2.00%
Honestly don't care 4 8.00%
Voters: 50. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-10-2008, 05:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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"... mirrors the 1980 election, when voters didn’t embrace Ronald Reagan over then-President Jimmy Carter until just days before the election."

The presidential race is still too close to call and could come down to the very last weekend before voters decide if they like or distrust Barack Obama, a national pollster predicts.

“I don’t think Obama has closed the deal yet,” pollster John Zogby told the Herald yesterday.

Zogby’s latest poll, released yesterday in conjunction with C-Span and Reuters, shows Obama and John McCain in a statistical dead heat, with the Illinois Democrat up 48-45 percent.

Zogby said the race mirrors the 1980 election, when voters didn’t embrace Ronald Reagan over then-President Jimmy Carter until just days before the election.

“The Sunday before the election the dam burst,” Zogby said of the 1980 tilt. “That’s when voters determined they were comfortable with Reagan.”

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Anyway he comes accross, at most, as sociaist as someone like Tony Blair, probably less so.
He's a mainstream American politician; Milton Friedman seems dangerously leftist to these guys.

What I mind most depressing about the whole sorry spectacle is that the inane drivel about who paid for Obama's year abroad, or who he may have sat on charity boards with, or whether the guy who drove a bus he caught in February 1983 once smoked a joint seems to represent the pinnacle of political debate. American politics (like most "democratic" politics) is largely a pointless game of muscial chairs played by the elite but still, it's a little sad to see you bickering about this petty rubbish.

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George Soros is absolutely pinko to these guys, because- billionaire Investor that he is- he had the temerity to tell the US government exactly what they were doing wrong, and even publish a book about it. And was subsequently proved right.
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I think that americans have so many problems with their ballets that in the rush of excitement(that they seem to have at these events), with the imminent decision in front of them, and it comes to choosing, all of a sudden a great unyielding fear and derangement will come over them!
they see the intended name of obama, their choice for a difference, a change from the past mysteriously change in front of their very eyes, changed somehow by some miraculous means into a name associated with fear and death, that the very sight brings almost all to a crying fit.

Somehow those sweet caring republicans have managed to mess around again and change his name to osama, (and theyll probably get away with it, if not for those pesky kids) creating a psychological barrier for any willing devotee to turn and instead vote for there next best choice when in severe doubt and depression. Thats right, food, surprisingly the same name of a certain foods manufacturer, they all select in such a great moment like this that which most american holds dear, their stomach. And so a great new leader is picked, and not for all the tosh about providing a better environment and stable economy public spending and education, no, because of a name! How great thy mind, that such as we could ever hope dare reach, hail thee........thou mighty and strong, thy protector

a man named McCain

Dont knock how tough these americans have it picking a name at a ballet with this much stress and confusion in name, it would surely be enough to cause even a few europeans to flounder!
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why did not McCain bring them up in the debate?
Because Obama bites back with effectiveness unlike the wimps the Dems usually have running. The biting will be left to the pitbull with lipstick. IMO, McCain is a man of character and one who does not condone the negative stuff. Unfortunately, I believe he has conceded to his campaign managers somewhat on the negativity approach. He has put his foot down regarding bringing the Rev Wright issue back in play and I hope he stays firm on that. In watching McCain in the last few weeks, I get the sense he is losing the style and confidence that won him the GOP nomination. He came from behind in the primaries by firing his campaign advisors and just doing his thing without all the handlers telling him what to do. Probably to late to do that now but he does need to take control, come up with a good econmic plan and get into his comfort zone.
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did well to find a poll that isn't predicting an absolute landslide.

well done booners.
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even zogby which has a pretty low polling rating has obama by 3. in today's polls.


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"... mirrors the 1980 election, when voters didn’t embrace Ronald Reagan over then-President Jimmy Carter until just days before the election."
Agree. The race is not over. Many things can happen even on the eve of the election. One of the most amazing turn arounds was in the Truman/Dewy election where Dewy was much farther ahead in the polls than Obama is now. This cartoon reminds me of some of the words I am hearing on the news and herein TD.

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^ Yup. Also, people lie in opinion polls. In 1992, before the UK election in that year, the polls were showing Labour and the Tories neck-and-neck but the Tories won with a 5% lead. One reason for this was that the Tories were seen as the party of failure (the country had slipped into a recession) and voters were embarrassed to admit to voting for a party that was shite but which guaranteed (or said it guaranteed) their selfish interests.
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democrats must be creaming themselves over these polls.

they keep getting better.

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^^^The polls didn't show a great shift for Reagan till days before the election. Then it was massive. People decided they were comfortable with Reagan.
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It is not why Obama will win now it seems to be why McCain will lose!
Palin in severe hot water over her reputed abuse of power!
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^^True- last minute swings can happen.

But do you really think the average American gives a toss that Obama sat on a charity board with Bill Ayers? The average American wasn't born even then- the only people who care are aging Rednecks, the type of people who blame the protest movement for the loss of the VN war, and probably don't like Nigga's either. The same people desperately trying to shift blame to the Dem's for the current financial collapse- yep, 'Blame others' type people. We all know who they vote for, no matter what.

This is no way to win an election and it just highlights, to a thinking person, what a totally empty shell the modern day Republican party has become. You can thank the Bush administration for that, although I know you will blame Obama instead.
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^^True- last minute swings can happen.

But do you really think the average American gives a toss that Obama sat on a charity board with Bill Ayers? The average American wasn't born even then- the only people who care are aging Rednecks, the type of people who blame the protest movement for the loss of the VN war, and probably don't like Nigga's either. The same people desperately trying to shift blame to the Dem's for the current financial collapse- yep, 'Blame others' type people. We all know who they vote for, no matter what.

This is no way to win an election and it just highlights, to a thinking person, what a totally empty shell the modern day Republican party has become. You can thank the Bush administration for that, although I know you will blame Obama instead.
"You" in general terms or me specifically? I'll give history time to age Bush's decisions. At the moment it doesn't look very good. Bush the Destroyer comes to mind as to what he's done to the Republican party.

John McCain is too old and too stiff because he can't be himself, a liberal Republican. The media chose our candidate for us and people are expressing their frustration with the guy at GOP rallies. Calling for Obama's "head" is their way of expressing their disappointment in McCain being their candidate. McCain is ineffective. People don't want him to politely fall on his sword which is what he appears to be doing. There is still time for him to turn this around if he has the gumption to do it. ( I use the word 'gumption' because it fits snuggly to McCain's dentures. )

I'm amazed. Obama said the republicans would play the race card. It was Obama who used it on Clinton and McCain. Democrats and the media said McCain has a temper. While Joe Biden angrily shouts what patriotism should be defined as:

“You know, I was criticized by Sarah Palin for talking about patriotism,” said Biden to booing from the crowd.

“It's okay, for talking about patriotism and taxes. Well let me tell you what the people I grew up [with] in Green Ridge and Claymont and Wilmington think is unpatriotic: they think it's unpatriotic when you earn your money in the United States of America and you hide it offshore to avoid taxes making sure you have to make up the difference! It is unpatriotic to take a hundred billion dollars offshore and not pay your taxes!”
- angry shouting Joe Biden at Democrat rally.

McCain has nothing to lose he can go back to his cushy Senate job after the election. It's better for him if he doesn't insult the Democrats too much. That makes him a Democrat lackey.

This bullshit of Lewis equating McCain to George Wallace the Democrat governor of Alabama is way out of line. Those old Democrats, like Lewis, can't help playing the race card. It's all they know. It's time for them to pass on what they learned in life and retire. The young politicians coming up can filter out the old tactics of those old democrats, retain the knowledge of legislative procedure and move on away from the old hate inspiring, racial conflict peddlers of the Democrat Party.


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? Now that is inflammatory coming from the 'victim industry' left; the sick symbiotic relationship the do-gooder left has with their victims. The left mother smothers their 'victims of society' to fulfill their own neurotic urges to be needed by someone. It's a sick symbiosis perpetuated by the do-gooder so they can feel needed, gain approval from their peers and collect a paycheck too. The masochist seeks out he sadist. The smothering mother seeks out the societal victim. When they can't find a victim their therapist branch of the victim industry creates victims with some new pop psychology definition. These leftist are incapable of having a mature relationship with someone so they manufacture a needy dependent relationship.

My above accusations are no worse than yours. Cows are not only found on the right side of the fence. The left has their share of idiots.

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? I care and I'm not a Redneck. I care that Obama and his campaign encourage a cult leader image. I care that the media which is supposed to be the barking dog encourages it too. I care that Obama has very little track record and what I do know is that he has formed alliances with radicals in order to get where he has gotten. He owes radicals. They expect a return on their investment in Obama's career. I care that Obama leads people to believe he was only on the periphery of the radical culture yet his family members were commies, he hung out with Marxists in college, he worked for ACORN, he formed alliances with radicals during his Annenberg years and he launched his Illinois state political career in the home of a communist and unrepentant mad bomber. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and swims with ducks, a person shouldn't discount the idea it's a duck.




"Guilty as sin, free as a bird, what a country,America!" - says Bill Ayers as he is photographed stomping on an American flag.

Now as far as I'm concerned a person can stomp on an American flag to express themselves. Bill Ayers has thumbed his nose at America's institutions since escaping a prison sentence and Obama did business with him over a nine year period. This isn't about Obama being eight years old when Ayers and his wife bombed the US Capitol. This is about Obama funding Bill Ayers' educational experiments on the minds of young American children - Bill Ayers being a unrepentant mad bomber communist. I don't want Bill Ayers experimenting on America's youth. Obama through his position at the Woods Foundation and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge funded the experiments on children's minds.

And before you laugh. How about sending your kid to bible camp? Does that idea get a big green light from you?
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The media chose our candidate for us and people are expressing their frustration with the guy at GOP rallies. Calling for Obama's "head" is their way of expressing their disappointment in McCain being their candidate. McCain is ineffective. People don't want him to politely fall on his sword which is what he appears to be doing. There is still time for him to turn this around if he has the gumption to do it. ( I use the word 'gumption' because it fits snuggly to McCain's dentures. )
Nonsense, your candidate was chosen for you by the party faithful during the primaries. Nobody seemed to have a problem then. And isn't callling for Obama's head to express your frustration with McCain a bit the same as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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I'm amazed. Obama said the republicans would play the race card. It was Obama who used it on Clinton and McCain. Democrats and the media said McCain has a temper. While Joe Biden angrily shouts what patriotism should be defined as:

“You know, I was criticized by Sarah Palin for talking about patriotism,” said Biden to booing from the crowd.

“It's okay, for talking about patriotism and taxes. Well let me tell you what the people I grew up [with] in Green Ridge and Claymont and Wilmington think is unpatriotic: they think it's unpatriotic when you earn your money in the United States of America and you hide it offshore to avoid taxes making sure you have to make up the difference! It is unpatriotic to take a hundred billion dollars offshore and not pay your taxes!” - angry shouting Joe Biden at Democrat rally.
Obama did not say that the Republicans would play the race card. He has specifically steered away from it because he's the minority and racism, almost by definition, does not benefit the minority. Where do you get this stuff from??

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The young politicians coming up can filter out the old tactics of those old democrats, retain the knowledge of legislative procedure and move on away from the old hate inspiring, racial conflict peddlers of the Democrat Party.
Is there anything that you can't twist into an attack on Obama and the Democrats in general!? The Republicans have had segregationists and outright racists in their ranks, 'hate inspiring, and racial conflict peddling' is not the sole pserve of the Democrats nor is it actually something they are particularly noted for.

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Now that is inflammatory coming from the 'victim industry' left; the sick symbiotic relationship the do-gooder left has with their victims. The left mother smothers their 'victims of society' to fulfill their own neurotic urges to be needed by someone. It's a sick symbiosis perpetuated by the do-gooder so they can feel needed, gain approval from their peers and collect a paycheck too. The masochist seeks out he sadist. The smothering mother seeks out the societal victim. When they can't find a victim their therapist branch of the victim industry creates victims with some new pop psychology definition. These leftist are incapable of having a mature relationship with someone so they manufacture a needy dependent relationship.
Oh for petesake, amatuer psychology hour now is it. Political leanings as character study. What a load of unmitigated drivel!

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I care and I'm not a Redneck. I care that Obama and his campaign encourage a cult leader image. I care that the media which is supposed to be the barking dog encourages it too. I care that Obama has very little track record and what I do know is that he has formed alliances with radicals in order to get where he has gotten. He owes radicals. They expect a return on their investment in Obama's career. I care that Obama leads people to believe he was only on the periphery of the radical culture yet his family members were commies, he hung out with Marxists in college, he worked for ACORN, he formed alliances with radicals during his Annenberg years and he launched his Illinois state political career in the home of a communist and unrepentant mad bomber. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and swims with ducks, a person shouldn't discount the idea it's a duck.
Obama and his campaign do not encourage a "cult leader image"; that's merely your opinion of it, which you're entitled to, but it doesn't make it true. Or perhaps you'd like to substantiate the claims?

And as for all this guff about 'owing radicals' and "Commies", nonsense. What are these "alliances with radicals" that he's formed? What, exactly, does he "owe" them? All this boils down to is little more than attempted character assassination; it's only a small step away from the repeated Obama=Muslim guff. I mean come on, "commies"!? This is 2008 not the 1950's!

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Now as far as I'm concerned a person can stomp on an American flag to express themselves. Bill Ayers has thumbed his nose at America's institutions since escaping a prison sentence and Obama did business with him over a nine year period.
Bollocks. That's just the same guilt-by-association lie repeated in a slightly different way.

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This isn't about Obama being eight years old when Ayers and his wife bombed the US Capitol. This is about Obama funding Bill Ayers' educational experiments on the minds of young American children - Bill Ayers being a unrepentant mad bomber communist. I don't want Bill Ayers experimenting on America's youth. Obama through his position at the Woods Foundation and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge funded the experiments on children's minds.

And before you laugh. How about sending your kid to bible camp? Does that idea get a big green light from you?
Before I laugh hows about providing a link for the above?

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Speaking of Obama's neighborhood, did you know Ayers is for 'prison abolition'? That means all prisons should be torn down. All convicted criminals would wear an ankle bracelet and remain in society because it's healthier mentally and physically for them. Nevermind the rest of us. We must learn to cope with it in our faces. We must do our share to rehabilitate a criminal mind by having them live right in physical proximity. I don't like that idea. It's too naive. Bill Ayers doesn't live with criminals like he wants the rest of us to do. He lives two blocks from Barak Obama.
So what!? Bill Ayers is not Barack Obama, who cares what his ideas on prison reform are? Bill Ayers isn't running for President of the US, Bill Ayers is entitled to his own opinions and ideas but - whatever those might be - they have exactly zero bearing on Obama and the election.

Oh hang on, he lives two blocks from Obama?? Well I guess that means Obama must be for the exact same thing then!
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The media chose our candidate for us and people are expressing their frustration with the guy at GOP rallies. Calling for Obama's "head" is their way of expressing their disappointment in McCain being their candidate. McCain is ineffective. People don't want him to politely fall on his sword which is what he appears to be doing. There is still time for him to turn this around if he has the gumption to do it. ( I use the word 'gumption' because it fits snuggly to McCain's dentures. )
Nonsense, your candidate was chosen for you by the party faithful during the primaries. Nobody seemed to have a problem then. And isn't callling for Obama's head to express your frustration with McCain a bit the same as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

No the media chose our candidate. By filtering and editing what people see and read, Mcacin came out ahead of the others. Where was the teetering stuttering old man during the primaries the media is presenting to us today?

What is it with the "you" when I posted "they" and not "we"? When you say "you" do you mean Republicans at the GOP rally?


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I'm amazed. Obama said the republicans would play the race card. It was Obama who used it on Clinton and McCain. Democrats and the media said McCain has a temper. While Joe Biden angrily shouts what patriotism should be defined as:

“You know, I was criticized by Sarah Palin for talking about patriotism,” said Biden to booing from the crowd.

“It's okay, for talking about patriotism and taxes. Well let me tell you what the people I grew up [with] in Green Ridge and Claymont and Wilmington think is unpatriotic: they think it's unpatriotic when you earn your money in the United States of America and you hide it offshore to avoid taxes making sure you have to make up the difference! It is unpatriotic to take a hundred billion dollars offshore and not pay your taxes!” - angry shouting Joe Biden at Democrat rally.
Obama did not say that the Republicans would play the race card. He has specifically steered away from it because he's the minority and racism, almost by definition, does not benefit the minority. Where do you get this stuff from??




"I think that they played the race card on me. And we now know, from memos from the campaign that they planned to do it all along.” - President Bill Clinton

Clinton was responding to Obama's accusations that Clinton was introducing race into the campaign. Clinton said Obama had run a good race in South Carolina just like Jesse Jackson had run against him (Clinton). Obama's campaign said this was reminding people that Obama is black just like Jesse Jackson.


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^ agreed but don't forget the invisible element of race.
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Atta you are hoping for a last minute reprieve -- you must honestly concede the odds are long and he (mccain) has hurt himself badly. yes?
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Old 11-10-2008, 10:30 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Obama soars 11 points ahead of McCain

Democrat Barack Obama has soared 11 points ahead of Republican rival John McCain, taking a double digit lead for the first time in a Newsweek poll amid deep concerns about the economy.

Obama now leads McCain nationally by 52 per cent to 41 per cent among registered voters compared to a Newsweek survey carried out a month ago, before the economic crisis began to bite, which had the two candidates tied at 46 per cent.

The magazine said 86 per cent of the 1,212 voters polled between Wednesday and Thursday said they are dissatisfied with how things were going in the United States, with only 10 per cent saying they were satisfied.

The economy was the biggest concern with 48 per cent, and asked which candidate would better handle a number of issues, Obama topped every category over McCain except national security and terrorism.

"For context on just how toxic these numbers could be for the Republican party, consider that in October 2006, weeks before the Democrats swept control of both houses of Congress, only 61 per cent of voters expressed dissatisfaction," Newsweek wrote.

President George W Bush also scored record lows with only 25 per cent of those polled saying they approved of the job he was doing.

That figure was "close to the historic low approval rating of 22 per cent the Gallup poll recorded for President Truman in 1952," Newsweek said, of a poll which has an overall margin of error of plus or minus 3.4 percentage points.

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Not much comment required. The people who care about Bill Ayers, or Obamas ex-Pastor, or tieing ACORN to Obama, or who think he is a closet Moslem, can be found amongst the 25% who think that Bush is doing a good job. The other 75% are more concerned with such trivialities as the current economic and financial mess, and what McCain/Palin might actually propose when they have ceased palpitating about Professor Ayers.

I wonder if the GOP will get the message.
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Democrat Barack Obama has soared 11 points ahead of Republican rival John McCain, taking a double digit lead...

President George W Bush also scored record lows with only 25 per cent of those polled saying they approved of the job he was doing...
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