The Thailand expat forum for Travel, Lifestyle and Fun.

raycarey

stil waiting jet.

you claimed mccain isn't the same as bush despite the fact that mccain voted with bush over 90% of the time.

detail how their positions are different on the three most important issues to voters this election...

the economy
iraq
health care.

Jet Gorgon

McC was a senator. Show me how he voted 90% of the time with Bush (oh ya, it was in the NYT, was it? The bible of the lefties.)

rc: detail how their positions are different on the three most important issues to voters this election...
the economy
iraq
health care.
In case you forgot. Show us what you got, and then throw in your sublime explanation of the "Bush doctrine." We can have a laugh and then dissect your viewpoints.

raycarey

WTF?

you make a claim, which i ask you to back up....and your reply to me is, 'you go first'.

get a grip dearie. that's not how it works.

perhaps a timeline is needed.....

11-09-2008, 04:27 AM
11-09-2008, 07:20 PM
Yesterday, 01:31 PM
Today, 05:37 AM
and the waiting continues......

Jet Gorgon

^ I didn't ask for the Qs. You give your jaded theories on your Qs and I will respond. We all know rc, that you never give opinions on the issues; you just lambast posters who's views differ from yours. So, you fire away with your opinions, sweetie. *filing nails*

raycarey

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh, you didn't ask for the questions, so you shouldn't be expected to answer them.

well jet, this is a new low......but i have little doubt you'll go even lower in the future.

weak, weak, weak.

ChiangMai noon

Obama is winning this poll with a landslide.

Boon Mee

Well, here's another one to help him on his way!



p.s. you might have to quote me as ray's whimped out and got me on ignore!

Mr Earl

Brilliant! Let's bomb fucking Arkansas.

Boon Mee

"Democrats know something, and desperation is setting in. They have a novice campaigner who wanders off message. With every advantage in the primaries, Obama couldn’t win the big states — New York, New Jersey, Ohio and Pennsylvania — against Hillary Clinton, even when he got to define the rules for running against him. She could never risk alienating the base she’ll need in 2012; John McCain and Sarah Palin have no such constraints — hence the panic."

Panic sets in for Obama, Democrats | Thinking Right | ajc.com

I Love the smell of Panic in the morning!

__________________
ผมเป็นคนบ้านนอก

Bugs

Looks like Obama has had to change his strategy as we head into the final months - no longer going to try and make a push in all 50 states. Backing it up in Texas is no real surprise, and Alaska ain’t either considering the Palin factor. But is seems he has backed it in, in Alabama as well:

Obama pulls back from South

Quote:

The reality of historic voting trends in the South is forcing Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign to shift resources out of states including Texas and Georgia to more fertile ground for the Democratic nominee.

Quote:

But earlier this week, the Obama campaign pulled its TV advertising from Georgia and shifted some of its resources to North Carolina. "This was inevitable, unless somehow the election was going to turn into a blowout," said Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. "We're still a partisanly polarized country. The South is a tough nut for any non-Southern Democrat to crack."

It's time for some fighting talk - Scotland on Sunday

Quote:

Earlier in his campaign, Obama announced that he would campaign in all 50 states, spending money in regions that typically voted Republican rather than concentrating his resources on battleground states. Now the Democratic presidential hopeful has been forced to scale back his operation in key states, including Georgia where Obama has spent over $2m on television adverts since January. The move has been widely seen as a change in strategy, and comes after statewide polls show McCain with a 13% point lead in the state which has not been won by a Democrat since Bill Clinton in 1992.

And it seems there might be some money troubles as well:

Quote:

Financially too, team Obama are lagging behind with some insiders stating the party has just $13m in the bank compared to an estimated Republican war chest of $100m.

__________________
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion" - Steven Weinberg

Jet Gorgon

^ Folks must be tired of those e-mail requests for $5 donations to Obama. I also think they are tiring of his flimsy rhetoric, his Palin attacks and his umming and awwing. Where's his wife anyhoo?

Boon Mee

^They got a huge dog-muzzle on her these days.

Heh...

" WASHINGTON (AFP-EJP)—-Democratic White House contender Barack Obama could not hide his irritation Monday when asked by a reporter what he thought about former president Jimmy Carter’s meeting with Hamas last week.

“Why can’t I just eat my waffle?” the Illinois senator said as he ate breakfast in Scranton, Pennsylvania, according to MSNBC television pictures.

Pressed again for an answer, he replied: “Just let me eat my waffle.”


EJP | News | Obama shows irritation when questioned over Hamas

Jet Gorgon

^ That is good, Booners, but it's from April.

Boon Mee

Well, my point is he's still the same racial political hack he's always been. To wit:

The Associated Press: Forum sells 'Obama Waffles' with racial stereotype

keda

doesn't make it any less profound.

Bugs

No wonder team Obama seems to be floundering a bit - they have lost their way and don't know which way to head now that Palin has sent them spinning. Some pundits say Obama needs to keep linking Bush to McCain - same - same - game plan (yea even though the title has the word "change" it really calls for more of the same):
RealClearPolitics - Articles - Time for Obama to Change the Game

Team Obama spent far too much time and energy defending the Obama comments and as the artical indicates this basically took them off message for several days. They can not let this continue to happen.
I don't agree with this because really the artical is still drawing things into an Obama - Palin comparison - Palin being the "small-town sort of hockey mom". I agree Obama needs to get serious but he needs to push the economic issue, and what is at stake economically more than anything else.
I agree with this bit:
The Clintons seem to have been doing just enough so they can say they are trying to help Obama get elected, but not enough to really have much impact. I really think both Bill and Hillary (but especailly Bill) want Obama to loose. I think they would rather turn the White House over to the red team, just so Hillary can have another shot in four years. Rather than help Obama win this year, and then have to turn around in four more years and try to help him get elected again.

While others say what he has been doing has not been working, and he needs to change things up:
Barack Obama's big blunder

I included this quote simply because it included the words - "deeper, harder, and faster":
I think there is some merit in what is being said here, but I still think the key for Obama is linking Bush and McCain - with an ecomonic focus. I think part of the problem with what Obama has been doing with the Bush - McCain connection relates to linking them in regard to Iraq rather than based upon the economy. Most polls indicate that folks think McCain is better suited to deal with the situation in Iraq than Obama is, so when Obama draws Bush-McCain comparisons as they related to Iraq I think he actually helps McCain. On the other hand folks tend to think that Obama is better suited to deal with the economy yet the only time I ever hear Obama try to link McCain to Bush as it relates to the economy it is usually related to the Bush tax cuts. And lets face it when most folks talk taxes they like the idea of a tax cut (even though they probably aint' getting it).

Obama needs to stay away from the Iraq Bush-McCain ties, and economically he needs to stay away from linking McCain to tax cuts (the Bush tax cuts). He needs to link McCain to Bush with the rest of the economic picture.
This is always a problem with campaign "messages", too many times the actual message gets lost in the slogan. And I don't think the average joe thinks Obama is any more of an agent of change than John McCain. And now I don't know that there really is enough time left to attack this front.
I really think this is what Obama wanted to do. But I think the gains McCain has made by going negative, and the pressure that resulted from the Dem party have forced his hand, and he has no choice but to take his campaign in the same direction. The problem is I think there is a distinct advantage for the first mover in taking things negative - especially since it has take team Obama so long to adjust. Now I think they are stuck in a perpetual cycle of defending themselves rather than being able to truely go on the attack. I think this ship has sailed, but Obama has no choice but to buck-up and fight. If he settles back into the optimisitc man and he looses, he'll be placed right next to Kerry as yet another blue team guy that didn't have the balls to fight it out.
I think this has been a brilliant move on the part of the red team. Palin is the attack bulldog, and McCain is not. Even when McCain was asked about the negative direction of his campaign he basically disavows himself from it - and folks seem to buy it. They seem to think that Palin and the big, bad, GOP are indeed nasty, nasty, mud slingers. But McCain is clean and above it all. While at the same time both Obama and Biden are stuck in a cycle of addressing "Palin Power".
I think this is largely true - in so much as Obama seems to have done very little to improve his standing with the white blue collar folks that he did so poorly with in the primaries. If he looses this election Hillary will be right there to tell the party "I told you so".

Jet Gorgon

Did they ever have a way?
And, as much as I enjoy your posts Bugs, sometimes they're like reading Genesis.

bkkandrew

My money is now on for cancelled elections amid State of Emergency.

Accidental Ajarn

"mccain voted with bush over 90% of the time."

God RC, is all you know how to do is repeat propaganda? Bush is the president, he does not vote in congress. How then could it be possible for McCain and Bush to vote the same way?

I doesn't matter how many times you spin a lie, it is still a lie. Try to come up with something new. Geez, are just a little boy repeating propaganda you heard elsewhere? Try to have an original thought in that hate-filled little head of yours.

Accidental Ajarn

"My money is now on for cancelled elections amid State of Emergency."

Fuck, can you believe this guy? He makes daily claims America is falling. He really needs to get a grip and a new spin, this wingnut is FUCKING BORING.