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Bugs

Not sure where you get the mcsame banner as it relates to energy for McCain. He is hardly walking hand-in-hand with Bush as it relates to energy. Besides for the last two years the blue team has not exactly been a driving forcing in changing the energy policy in the US (with the exception of the 2007 Energy and Independence and Security Act, which ended up getting so watered down that the bills original sponsor actually voted against it – about the only thing the bill did do was raise CAFÉ standards – granted the red team was a big part of the problem, but the blue team lacked the backbone to get it done as well).

McCain has his Lexington Project that incorporates multiple ways to attack the energy issue –
John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President

Expand domestic exploration and production
Reform transportation sector
Invest in alternative energy (including clean coal, and nuclear)
Promote energy efficiency
Address speculative oil issues
Energy policy must include solid environmental foundation

Most of such a policy would make GWB turn green in the face.

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raycarey

maybe it's because mcsame flip-flopped (again) and came out in favor of offshore drilling

and let's be clear about how he earned the mcsame moniker.....few would doubt that the biggest issues for voters this election year are:

the economy
iraq
health care

mcsame and the bush white house are in lock step on these issues.....however,k feel free to show how mcsame has markedly different agenda.

and let's also not forget that bush voted with bush's white house 95% of the time
FactCheck.org: Is it true John McCain voted with George Bush 95 percent of the time?

Bugs

This post is not typical of what I post, but I must say that I did find Obama's demeanor to be a bit too much on the angry side - this might have worked for him with most, but it was not really appealing to me.







A linky from a righty bloggy for more pics:
The Angry Barack Obama Acceptance Speech

raycarey

really?
i guess you must post a lot on other boards.

you've already made it clear (both in tone and in words) that you support mccain and will take every opportunity to tear obama down....so why should anyone here be surprised that the speech wasn't 'appealing' to you. you're an ideologue who never would have been open to what obama had to say, so why should he care that you didn't find it 'appealing'.

he was speaking over, through and around you.

Bugs

Yea, really. Most of what I post is not just surface posh. And commenting on Obama's general look or demeanor is not typical of what I post.

You're pretty rich. From your postings on this board you are about as open to views other than yours as Boo Me is. And typical of most of your post you show very little substance in what you post.

While it is true I certainly lean towards the right side on the political spectrum, and I have not hidden my support for McCain. Hardly everything that I post is negative of Obama.

The reason I have not been open to most of what Obama has had to say is because I don't believe in much of his message.

Why should he care what I find appealing? Simple I have voted for folks from different parties in the past and I am open to voting for different parties in the future. Granted at this stage in the game in this election it's not likely that I would change who I support.

raycarey

'hardly'.

really? needless to say, i think you and i have a very different understanding of 'hardly'.

but let me ask you...what percentage of your posts on the general election have been positive about obama and his campaign?
what percentage of the articles you have linked to have been positive about obama and his campaign?
rough percentages will be fine.

let's get back to those percentages......you aren't going to vote for obama, and you were never going to vote for him. why would he waste his time trying to address the type of person who would spend hours of his life spreading negative information about him on an internet forum.

obama was speaking to democrats and real independents (not just those who are too embarrassed in 2008 to admit they're republicans) people who might be open to his message.....and as we both know, that doesn't include you.

Bugs

Rough percentages - maybe 5%.

But when I link or quote something that I think is over the top, I generally say so. Unless I think the entire link/quote is over the top and I am just posting to wind up.

I would not say that I was never going to vote for him. Indeed it would be very unlikely that I would have voted for the blue team. And I know that the Obama speech was not geared towards me, hence my comment in my "angry" post about "this might have worked for him with most,".

When getting down to the party nitty gritty I do not consider myself a Republican. Mainly because I think the Republican party of today has lost touch with what I consider to be the core of things – small government, more personal freedom, and less taxes.

The Republican party of today has not kept to these principles, and thus I don’t consider myself to be part of the party.

Not believing in god, being a very strong supporter of separation of church and state, and my views (albeit not strong views) on abortion, don’t hold me in good steed with most Republicans. Fortunately for me I have a strong belief that the US Constitution will withstand any battering the red team might be able to dish out on these issues. On the up side I am very strong supporter of the individuals right to keep and bear arms so I do have something to talk about on that side of things with other members of the red team.

That being said my views generally line up more with the red team than the blue team, there is no doubt about that.

Norton

Custer's Last Stand is a more appropriate description of what the Republican's must be thinking after viewing the Dem convention.

Their hope the Dems would be split are clearly dashed. Their hope the Dems would fail to make the case McCain's policies are more of the same as GWB's are dashed. Their ability to characterize Obama as unloyal or elitists will no longer be listened to. The hope they would have an opponent unwilling to strike back when faced with the same same Republican negative campaign tactics are gone. The hope Obama would not take on security threats against the US is fiction. Any hope they had regarding Obama's ability to inspire and bring new Democart's to the polls is certainly gone.

The last hope, convincing voters Obama is not ready to lead is all the Republicans have left. So to quote Obama when referring to debating this issue "bring it on".

I'll watch the Rep Convention with great interest to see if they can be as effective as the Dems were. They will need one hell of an effort to counter what can only be graded as an A+ effort for the Dems.

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Norton

I think you do give credit to the Dems. Reluctantly but none the less credit is given.

Believe it or not, I too lean toward the conservative side. This does not prevent me from seeing drastic changes are needed in the way the US conducts business both domestically and internationally in today's world. I have nothing against McCain or even some of his policies. As with me, McCain is a product of the cold war and as such his approach to the challenges faced by the country, a world much changed since the wall came down, are obsolete.

Obama though his ability to inspire, bring people together and articulate a positive vision represents the type of leader needed to move the country to a profoundly different way of governing and setting policy. McCain does not.

Will Obama be able to make all the changes needed. Probably not all but if he is successful in only a few it will set the stage for the next President be they Republican or Democrat to continue change in the right direction.

Those who fear change or think the country is just perfect will vote for McCain and try to bring Obama down by stating he will be the ruin of the country.

britmaveric

Obama will ruin the country he's OCarter reincarnated.

raycarey

45 minutes later....

Milkman

You don't follow US national politics, do you, Brit?

You make general statements - but rarely any specifics. You often don't post links and/or authors or sources.

Try to contribute a bit better.

I, and others here, do not understand your link of Carter, who you labeled, "Ocarter" of 30ish years ago and the political climate of today.

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sabang

Brit, you crack me up Mate.
I'll green yer if I can.

Texpat

Bugs, there is no middle ground with RC. You're either with him or against him. You're a marked man now and he's started an entry on you in his journal. You are now a dyed-in-the-wool, hardcore, right-wing Republican. (is there any other kind?)

You're a racist too. Welcome to the club.

AntRobertson

If the cap fits...

raycarey

what's with this journal business?

you think i keep a journal because i'm able to remember some of the tripe that certain people post on this forum?.....for example that you put on your military costume and paraded around isaan last year on US veterans day.
btw, why haven't you posted a photo or video?

you see tex, unlike ummmm....'others'....i don't drink myself into a chang induced stupor every night.

raycarey

no, no, no.

texpat is an 'independent'.

Texpat

Chang is for paupers. I only drink the top-shelf stuff with gold foil around the neck.

You sound desperate to protect your candidate from any criticism, Ray. Why are you unable to see the attributes and negatives of each? This isn't a contest among us. In the end it matters very little what any of us think individually and not at all what others of us think. Millions of American voters will decide.

I'll go along with the decision, because both candidates have survived the gauntlet, the vetting process, and their worth as president can't be foretold anyway.

Jesus Jones

The Raw Story | Ron Paul: 'There's no difference' between McCain and Obama

At true American, and a true congressmen fighting for the american people's civil liberties, and fighting for what America once stood for.

A shame most of you just don't see it.

HermantheGerman

Obamas speech about Mc Cain!
I think this was the best part.
Got a big laugh out of this one.


“‘He would follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell,” “But he won’t follow him to the cave he lives in.”