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Jet Gorgon · 28-08-2008, 12:18 AM

^ Why, Tex, why? Bill did what except teach kids the meaning of impeachment?

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Originally Posted by chinthee

Just you watch. Jetty will be the true clairvoyant on this forum and Barak and his "planet of the apes" wife will disappear into nothingness. Whoo, did I just call his wife a monkey girl????

You gonna be in doo-doo again, CT.

Texpat · 28-08-2008, 12:26 AM

almost tripled my portfolio value during his term ...
sent me a personal thank-you after I spent months working on the G-8 in Okinawa...
made blow-job a dinner-table term

Jet Gorgon · 28-08-2008, 12:37 AM

^ Photocopy and paste that note, Boy.

chinthee · 28-08-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

You gonna be in doo-doo again, CT.

I'm most happy that way...doncha know?

Bugs · 29-08-2008, 11:52 AM

I’ll give the blue team some credit for the convention, each day they got better, and better. I did not see all of the Obama speech, but what I saw was pretty good. Not as good as what many of the pundits seem to think but that’s no surprise.

It sure seemed to go over well with those that already support Obama, the key of course is how well it went over those that are still undecided - Time will tell.

Not sure how those inside the red team think it went. They pushed back the McCain VP announcment. They could have done it because they think Obama did so good that the VP announcment would be lost in the Obama hype. Or they could think that Obama did not do very good, and thus there was no need to try and steal thrunder that is not there.

britmaveric · 29-08-2008, 11:58 AM

Didnt really say much - no substance and I definitely think his BS is wearing thin.

Texpat · 29-08-2008, 12:50 PM

Like Hooter's. Delightfully tacky, yet unrefined.

Or maybe a farang house in the middle of Sisaket. Exudes power and stature.

Roman columns.

Now are they Doric, Ionic or Corinthian? And how does this corroborate his life story, "I was born a poor black child, sorta."

AntRobertson · 29-08-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

Like Hooter's. Delightfully tacky, yet unrefined.

Or maybe a farang house in the middle of Sisaket. Exudes power and stature.

Roman columns.

Now are they Doric, Ionic or Corinthian? And how does this corroborate his life story, "I was born a poor black child, sorta."

It's supposed to be representative of the White House.

Bugs · 29-08-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

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Originally Posted by Texpat

Like Hooter's. Delightfully tacky, yet unrefined.

Or maybe a farang house in the middle of Sisaket. Exudes power and stature.

Roman columns.

Now are they Doric, Ionic or Corinthian? And how does this corroborate his life story, "I was born a poor black child, sorta."

It's supposed to be representative of the White House.

Actually most seem to think they are representative of the Lincoln Memorial - where Mr. King gave his famous speech 45 years ago:

8 is enough, Obama tells U.S.

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Obama spoke on a stage straddling the stadium's 50-yard line and in front a row of faux-Roman columns that have drawn comparisons to the Lincoln Memorial, where King delivered his 1963 appeal for racial equality.

Obama makes history on King anniversary, promises to restore American dream, purpose - Salt Lake Tribune

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He (Obama) emerged from beneath Greek columns, resembling the Lincoln Memorial on the steps of which King gave his famous "I Have a Dream" speech, to thousands of camera flashes and an ovation that lasted nearly three minutes.

Texpat · 29-08-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugs

a row of faux-Roman columns

emerged from beneath Greek columns

OK, now I'm confused.

Carnwadrick · 29-08-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

Biden looks too much like McCain. A stodgy, old white-haired guy. I keep thinking that's what BO's trying to run from, and now he's embracing it on stage.

The man of change just sold out to the Washington establishment, Biden has been in the Senate 13 years longer than McCain..methinks it was the Party that picked the VP and not the Messia

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Originally Posted by Milkman

Biden, most importantly, has foreign policy experience and 3 decades in Washington. He knows how things work. And also important, is that he is....and older generation, white haired, white guy.

And a failed candidate for president twice

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Originally Posted by Norton

He is a skilled debater who uses down to earth language the average Joe can relate with. He is clearly not shy when going on the attack or debunking nonsensical negative attacks.

Certainly not shy about saying what he thinks " Obama is a clean person" says Biden about Obama..a little patronizing uhh

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Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Obama's going to have enough trouble selling himself let alone another minority or a woman. It would be the end of his campaign.

raycarey · 29-08-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

rupert murdoch's new york post.

sabang · 29-08-2008, 01:54 PM

This from a Republican reporter, but one that will at least call it as she sees it

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Yes, Barack Obama was the best Democrat in the field. Start with his charismatic, yet cool, demeanor. Add his compelling personal story - and the inviting possibility that Obama's ascension to the White House could heal racial wounds in America - and you understand why Democrats at Invesco Field would answer the above question with the familiar chant, "Yes, we can."

McCainiacs can scoff at his celebrity, but Obama can pack a stadium.

I have to credit Obama for not being cowed by the inevitability of Hillary Rodham Clinton and, thanks to his experience as a community organizer, for running a superb ground game.

Most important, Obama opposed the Iraq war vote in 2003 as other Democrats - read: Clinton, running mate Joe Biden, Christopher Dodd and John Edwards - voted to authorize the use of military force, only to show America that they lacked the will to see through what they had started.

Obama's call to the faithful

McCainiacs can indeed scoff all they like, and they will- but it is Obama that can pack the stadium, and bring them to their feet- be it the DNC, or the Brandenburg gate. A bit jealous maybe?

No wonder McSame wants to try and bring him down into Town Halls to debate- but why should Obama swap his Bentley for a Ford pinto? Politics is a combination of nuts and bolts and inspiration. The OBiden team has both. Imho.

Anyway, seems to me the Press coverage of the DNC gets more positive by the day. Kudos to the Clinton team for an, ultimately, gracious concession of defeat and endorsement of Obama. Bills speech was a beauty- the old boys still got what it takes.

Jet Gorgon · 29-08-2008, 02:36 PM

Hmmm. Stephen King's The Stand comes to mind.

sabang · 29-08-2008, 02:41 PM

From the mouth of "Da Man"-

Democrat Barack Obama appeared on stage today to accept his nomination as the party's presidential candidate, sending a 75,000 capacity crowd wild.
After shouts of his mantra "Yes we can" finally died down, Obama formally accepted the Democratic Party's White House nomination with "profound gratitude and great humility."

Evoking King's 1963 march on Washington, Obama said what "people of every creed and colour, from every walk of life" heard "is that in America, our destiny is inextricably linked, that together our dreams can be one".

"America, we cannot turn back," the 47-year-old Illinois senator said as he vowed to turn back the turmoil of the past eight years and the "failed presidency of George W Bush".

And he tore into his Republican rival John McCain, saying he did not understand the struggles of normal Americans and should stop questioning his patriotism.

"It's not because John McCain doesn't care. It's because John McCain doesn't get it,"
As thousands of supporters waved tiny American flags after being whipped up into a patriotic frenzy by a pageant of patriotic songs, Obama trumpeted: "I've got news for you, John McCain, we all put our country first."

"I get it, I realise that I am not the likeliest candidate for this office, I don't fit the typical pedigree, and I haven't spent my career in the halls of Washington. But I stand before you tonight because all across America, something is stirring. What the nay sayers don't understand is that this election has never been about me, its been about you."

"America, we are better than these eight years, We are a better country than this,"

"We meet at one of those defining moments -- a moment when our nation is at war, our economy is in turmoil, and the American promise has been threatened once more."

from - Obama accepts historic nomination - US Election - smh.com.au

spoken like it is OBi.

Bugs · 29-08-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sabang

This from a Republican reporter, but one that will at least call it as she sees it

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Obama's call to the faithful

Indeed she does:

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Here's another reason Obama is popular: He doesn't tell the American people a single thing they do not want to hear. I take that back: Obama supports allowing illegal immigrants to obtain drivers' licenses. Or at least he did during the primary.

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Obama stayed within his party's lines, until the nomination was in the bag. Only then did he decide to reauthorize the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and realize that he might support offshore drilling.

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He (Obama) tells people what they want to hear, and the flock at Invesco Field worship him for it.

sabang · 29-08-2008, 02:55 PM

^ Heh, told you she was Republican

. She does however fail to mention that Obama voted against the invasion of Iraq, back when that was an unpopular position likely to get you labelled as 'UnAmerkin'.

Bugs · 29-08-2008, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sabang

spoken like it is OBi.

Well kind of:

McCain statement on Obama's nomination acceptance speech | EXTRA | Local Breaking News from AZFAMILY.COM & KTVK 3TV - Arizona's Family

BARACK OBAMA'S TOP MISLEADING CLAIMS

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MISLEADING CLAIM #1: Barack Obama Can Bring Democrats And Republicans Together. OBAMA: "America, our work will not be easy. The challenges we face require tough choices, and Democrats as well as Republicans will need to cast off the worn-out ideas and politics of the past." (Barack Obama, Remarks, Denver, CO, 8/28/08)

· NPR's Juan Williams: Barack Obama "Doesn't Have The Record" Of Bipartisanship That John McCain Has. NPR'S JUAN WILLIAMS: "You think about everything from campaign finance to immigration and on, and there's John McCain working across party lines. Senator Obama doesn't have a record. Now, he can make the claim and he can hold himself up as pure and trying to reach to a new generation of post partisan politics, but he has to do so largely based on rhetoric and wishful thinking because he doesn't have the record." (Fox News' "Special Report With Brit Hume," 5/7/08)

Many, many more examples of how Obama has not worked to bring the blue team and the red team together in the linky.

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MISLEADING CLAIM #2: Barack Obama Will Ensure That Our Troops On The Ground Have "The Equipment They Need In Battle." OBAMA: "As Commander-in-Chief, I will never hesitate to defend this nation, but I will only send our troops into harm's way with a clear mission and a sacred commitment to give them the equipment they need in battle and the care and benefits they deserve when they come home." (Barack Obama, Remarks, Denver, CO, 8/28/08)
· Barack Obama Voted Against Providing $94.4 Billion In Critical Funding For The Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan. (H.R. 2206, CQ Vote #181: Passed 80-14: R 42-3; D 37-10; I 1-1, 5/24/07, Obama Voted Nay)

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MISLEADING CLAIM #3: Barack Obama Has Not Supported The President. OBAMA: "These challenges are not all of government's making. But the failure to respond is a direct result of a broken politics in Washington and the failed policies of George W. Bush. ... But the record's clear: John McCain has voted with George Bush ninety percent of the time. Senator McCain likes to talk about judgment, but really, what does it say about your judgment when you think George Bush has been right more than ninety percent of the time? I don't know about you, but I'm not ready to take a ten percent chance on change." (Barack Obama, Remarks, Denver, CO, 8/28/08)

· Barack Obama Says He Voted With President Bush "For The Most Part." REPORTER: "For a couple of days, they've been saying you voted to raise taxes something like 94 times. That seems to be the drumbeat that's going to happen during this campaign. Are you going to raise taxes in a big way for average Americans?" OBAMA: "I mean this is the standard fare of politics. And the truth of the matter is that the only bills that I voted for, for the most part, since I've been in the Senate were introduced by Republicans with George Bush. You know, they were the majority for a big chunk of the time I was there." (KMOV [St. Louis, MO], 6/10/08)

Much more support in regard how claim #3 is false in the linky.

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MISLEADING CLAIM #4: John McCain Believes We've Made "Great Progress" And Families Aren't Hurting. OBAMA: "He said that our economy has made 'great progress' under this President. He said that the fundamentals of the e conomy are strong." (Barack Obama, Remarks, Denver, CO, 8/28/08)

· FactCheck.org: Obama Use Of Quote Is "Misleading" And "Distorts" John McCain's Words. "The second and third quotes the Obama campaign uses from McCain are more misleading. The ad shows McCain saying: '[T]here's been great progress economically.' The quote comes from an interview McCain did with Peter Cook at Bloomberg Television in April. ... McCain was making a case for what he believed were positive economic developments during Bush's time in office. However, the fuller quote shows McCain was saying that whatever progress had been made, it wouldn't be enough to comfort families 'facing these tremendous economic challenges.' His comments overall are pessimistic; he cites 'challenging times' and 'enormous difficulties.' The Obama campaign distorts his views by using just a snippet of his remarks." (D'Angelo Gore, "Distorting McCain's Remarks," FactCheck.org, 8/19/08)

More on claim #4 in the linky.

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MISLEADING CLAIM #5: Barack Obama Will Pay For His Massive Spending Increase. OBAMA: "Now, many of these plans will cost money, which is why I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime -- by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens that don't help America grow. But I will also go through the federal budget, line by line, eliminating programs that no longer work and making the ones we do need work better and cost less -- because we cannot meet twenty-first century challenges with a twentieth century bureaucracy." (Barack Obama, Remarks, Denver, CO, 8/28/08)

· Barack Obama: "I Do Not Make A Promise That We Can Reduce [The Budget Deficit] By 2013." "'I do not make a promise that we can reduce it by 2013 because I think it is important for us to make some critical investments right now in America's families,' Obama told reporters this week when asked if he'd match McCain's pledge." (Nedra Pickler, "Analysis: Obama Won't Try For McCain's Budget Goal," The Associated Press, 7/8/08)

· Chicago Tribune: Barack Obama Has "No Interest In Eliminating Deficit Spending." "Since winning the nomination, Obama reportedly has been moving toward the middle of the political spectrum. But on the budget, he still sounds left of center, with no interest in eliminating deficit spending." (Editorial, "Failure Of Nerve," Chicago Tribune, 7/8/08)

Much more on claim #5 in the linky.

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MISLEADING CLAIM #6: Under Barack Obama, We Will Achieve Energy Independence. OBAMA: "And for the sake of our economy, our security, and the future of our planet, I will set a clear goal as President: in ten years, we will finally end our dependence on oil from the Middle East." (Barack Obama, Remarks, Denver, CO, 8/28/08)

· The Detroit News: Barack Obama's Energy Plan Will "Do Nothing To Answer The Nation's Long-Term Needs." "The latest additions to Sen. Barack Obama's energy plan, outlined during an appearance in Lansing Monday, may win the Democratic presidential candidate some votes from disgruntled consumers in November, but they'll do nothing to answer the nation's long-term needs." (Editorial, "Obama's Energy Plan Is Fueled By Populism," The Detroit News, 8/5/08)

This one is probably one of my biggest issues with Obama. Saying that he will make it a clear goal to in ten years end our dependence on oil from the Middle East mean nothing to me. IMHO there are not enough viable alternatives presented by Obama to wean the US off middle east oil in 10 years - especially when he is against offshore drilling and nuclear.

Again more on why claim #6 is misleading in the linky.

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MISLEADING CLAIM #7: Barack Obama Will Cut Taxes. OBAMA: "I will eliminate capital gains taxes for the small businesses and the start-ups that will create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow. I will cut taxes -- cut taxes -- for 95% of all working families." (Barack Obama, Remarks, Denver, CO, 8/28/08)

· Barack Obama Voted Twice In Favor Of The Democrats' FY 2009 Budget Resolution. (S. Con. Res. 70, CQ Vote #85: Adopted 51-44: R 2-43; D 47-1; I 2-0, 3/14/08, Obama Voted Yea; S. Con. Res. 70, CQ Vote #142: Adopted 48- 45: R 2- 44; D 44- 1; I 2-0, 6/4/08, Obama Voted Yea)

More in the linky, but I am not so sold on this being a misleading claim. Most of the support for this being misleading is based on his past voting record - which has validity. What he says now seems to go against what he has voted to support in the past. I'm willing to give him the benifit of the doubt on this one.

I just watched the entire Obama speech again on CNN - caught about the last half this morning. For Obama and where he is now it was a good speech, as it relates to the blue team. Certianly no much in it that will impress those in the red camp. But the real key, which should become clear in the 24-48 hours is how it was viewed by those undecideds.

The good thing for Obama at this stage is that most of the press coverage certainly is giving him good press right now.

Jet Gorgon · 29-08-2008, 03:26 PM

Where did this BO sister come from?

sabang · 29-08-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugs

Saying that he will make it a clear goal to in ten years end our dependence on oil from the Middle East mean nothing to me

That might be easier than you think [read my lips and all that]. You see, much more US oil comes from Venezula than the ME. Cut consumption 25%, and you've weaned yourself off ME oil. So a little but of political doublespeak from slick Barry there.

But more importantly- where is Mccains 'Vision', what direction and inspiration does he provide? Oh, thats right- McSame.

What has he got, besides doubt casting and negative campaigning?

More of the same, better than something new. After the last eight years, that don't sound like much to this outsider. Guess we'll have to wait for the RNC though.

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29-08-2008, 11:52 AM	#245 (permalink)
Bugs Elite Member Last Online: 09-05-2009 09:11 PM Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: At home Posts: 1,311	I’ll give the blue team some credit for the convention, each day they got better, and better. I did not see all of the Obama speech, but what I saw was pretty good. Not as good as what many of the pundits seem to think but that’s no surprise. It sure seemed to go over well with those that already support Obama, the key of course is how well it went over those that are still undecided - Time will tell. Not sure how those inside the red team think it went. They pushed back the McCain VP announcment. They could have done it because they think Obama did so good that the VP announcment would be lost in the Obama hype. Or they could think that Obama did not do very good, and thus there was no need to try and steal thrunder that is not there. __________________ "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion" - Steven Weinberg

29-08-2008, 01:54 PM	#253 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 01:22 AM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,474	Obama's call to the faithful This from a Republican reporter, but one that will at least call it as she sees it :- Yes, Barack Obama was the best Democrat in the field. Start with his charismatic, yet cool, demeanor. Add his compelling personal story - and the inviting possibility that Obama's ascension to the White House could heal racial wounds in America - and you understand why Democrats at Invesco Field would answer the above question with the familiar chant, "Yes, we can." McCainiacs can scoff at his celebrity, but Obama can pack a stadium. I have to credit Obama for not being cowed by the inevitability of Hillary Rodham Clinton and, thanks to his experience as a community organizer, for running a superb ground game. Most important, Obama opposed the Iraq war vote in 2003 as other Democrats - read: Clinton, running mate Joe Biden, Christopher Dodd and John Edwards - voted to authorize the use of military force, only to show America that they lacked the will to see through what they had started. Obama's call to the faithful McCainiacs can indeed scoff all they like, and they will- but it is Obama that can pack the stadium, and bring them to their feet- be it the DNC, or the Brandenburg gate. A bit jealous maybe? No wonder McSame wants to try and bring him down into Town Halls to debate- but why should Obama swap his Bentley for a Ford pinto? Politics is a combination of nuts and bolts and inspiration. The OBiden team has both. Imho. Anyway, seems to me the Press coverage of the DNC gets more positive by the day. Kudos to the Clinton team for an, ultimately, gracious concession of defeat and endorsement of Obama. Bills speech was a beauty- the old boys still got what it takes. __________________ To err is human. To blame someone else is politics.

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28-08-2008, 12:26 AM	#242 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: 27-10-2009 11:55 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 12,491	almost tripled my portfolio value during his term ... sent me a personal thank-you after I spent months working on the G-8 in Okinawa... made blow-job a dinner-table term

28-08-2008, 12:37 AM	#243 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Yesterday 11:18 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,428	^ Photocopy and paste that note, Boy.

29-08-2008, 11:58 AM	#246 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 3,921	Didnt really say much - no substance and I definitely think his BS is wearing thin.

29-08-2008, 12:50 PM	#247 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: 27-10-2009 11:55 PM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 12,491	Like Hooter's. Delightfully tacky, yet unrefined. Or maybe a farang house in the middle of Sisaket. Exudes power and stature. Roman columns. Now are they Doric, Ionic or Corinthian? And how does this corroborate his life story, "I was born a poor black child, sorta."

29-08-2008, 02:36 PM	#254 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Yesterday 11:18 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,428	Hmmm. Stephen King's The Stand comes to mind.

29-08-2008, 02:41 PM	#255 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 01:22 AM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,474	From the mouth of "Da Man"- Democrat Barack Obama appeared on stage today to accept his nomination as the party's presidential candidate, sending a 75,000 capacity crowd wild. After shouts of his mantra "Yes we can" finally died down, Obama formally accepted the Democratic Party's White House nomination with "profound gratitude and great humility." Evoking King's 1963 march on Washington, Obama said what "people of every creed and colour, from every walk of life" heard "is that in America, our destiny is inextricably linked, that together our dreams can be one". "America, we cannot turn back," the 47-year-old Illinois senator said as he vowed to turn back the turmoil of the past eight years and the "failed presidency of George W Bush". And he tore into his Republican rival John McCain, saying he did not understand the struggles of normal Americans and should stop questioning his patriotism. "It's not because John McCain doesn't care. It's because John McCain doesn't get it," As thousands of supporters waved tiny American flags after being whipped up into a patriotic frenzy by a pageant of patriotic songs, Obama trumpeted: "I've got news for you, John McCain, we all put our country first." "I get it, I realise that I am not the likeliest candidate for this office, I don't fit the typical pedigree, and I haven't spent my career in the halls of Washington. But I stand before you tonight because all across America, something is stirring. What the nay sayers don't understand is that this election has never been about me, its been about you." "America, we are better than these eight years, We are a better country than this," "We meet at one of those defining moments -- a moment when our nation is at war, our economy is in turmoil, and the American promise has been threatened once more." from - Obama accepts historic nomination - US Election - smh.com.au spoken like it is OBi.

29-08-2008, 02:55 PM	#257 (permalink)
sabang Watching the Wheels Last Online: Today 01:22 AM Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: where the streets have no name Posts: 11,474	^ Heh, told you she was Republican . She does however fail to mention that Obama voted against the invasion of Iraq, back when that was an unpopular position likely to get you labelled as 'UnAmerkin'.

29-08-2008, 03:26 PM	#259 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon Jihad Barbie Last Online: Yesterday 11:18 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Libbies Posts: 12,428	Where did this BO sister come from?

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