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Oprah Winfrey -- Secretary of Health and Hokey Talk Shows: Yes We Can!

Bung

I was hoping to watch some news this morning but for some reason CNN and BBC are only showing some Americans singing and dancing about a politician and everyone is talking like they had way too much coffee.

It's funny, the whole thing looks like it was done by aliens.

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Bugs

IMHO the blue team just wasted the first night of their show. Not all that moving and too much of a touchy feely show and not enough meat. The Michelle speech was ok, but nothing earth shattering. Better than I expected but not as good as it needed to be. She covered up her arms, and I did not see a fist punch (she might have done it but I was mainly listening and not really watching much of it - other things to do and all).

Hours of TV time and hardly any Bush bashing? IMHO they need to hammer Bush, Bush, Bush and tie McCain to Bush as much as possible. That is their strongest play and I did not see enough of it on day one. The Teddy bit was the high point, and the Michelle bit was almost an anti-climax.

Watched Larry King live the other day with Bill Maher and Bill had an interesting play on the Obama move towards the center after the primary. Bill felt the Obama move towards the center actually hurts him. He felt the move makes the blue team look like red team light, and gives the red team’s positions more credibility. Thus leading many voters to view Obama as lacking confidence in his own positions, and lacking the conviction to stand by them.

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Texpat

Biden looks too much like McCain. A stodgy, old white-haired guy. I keep thinking that's what BO's trying to run from, and now he's embracing it on stage.

wtf?

I know it's a move to fill his experience gap, but wouldn't a woman or a latino or a sock puppet be better than an old frumpy white career senator?

Milkman

No, I don't think so. Electoral college politics: many counties, precincts, and states have large percentages of white voters, and white voters are conscious of a Prez and VP's ethnic background. One black man on the ticket with a foreign sounding name has already driven a certain percantage of white Americans to not vote for him.

Biden, most importantly, has foreign policy experience and 3 decades in Washington. He knows how things work. And also important, is that he is....and older generation, white haired, white guy.

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Norton

James Carville and David Gergen share your assessment. I too think the Dems should have at least started the attack. Because there is concern voters feel they don't know enough about Obama they needed to focus some effort on "defining" Obama and his values and playing to the common man but spending the entire first day session to do so was a tactical mistake.

The Dems need a compelling message that show a vote for McCain is a vote for continueing GWB policies which by any measure show one of the worst "satisfaction" levels ever for a US President.

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Norton

He also brings other things. He was raised in a white middle class family. This may swing some of the votes Obama will need from the same group. He is a skilled debater who uses down to earth language the average Joe can relate with. He is clearly not shy when going on the attack or debunking nonsensical negative attacks. All of these attributes are what the campaign must have to win.

To what degree Obama will be successful in bringing "change" remains to be seen but given his success so far he is quite capable of doing so.

raycarey

IMO, the first night of the convention is too early.... the well deserved attacks against republican arrogance and incompetence are coming.

i don't know if it's been brought up here already, but something else that he is, is catholic. and before he was picked, mccain was markedly ahead in the poll gauging this important demographic.

Bugs

Clinton gave a decent speech, and all in all I think the blue team had a pretty good night, much better than first night. It will be interesting to see if the Clinton speech will have any real impact on getting most of her supports on board with Obama? Obama will get the true blue out of her supporters no matter what (worst case some of them will simply stay home on election day). But the rest of the lot are not a shoe in to vote for Obama, or even to bother voting.

Like I said the Clinton speech was good, but all the nice talk only goes so far, and so far it has been pretty clear there is still bad blood between the Clinton’s and the Obama’s. Clinton will have to continue to not only talk the talk, but to walk the walk as well. IMHO some of the Clinton supporter are taking their lead from Billy-bob and not Hillary. They view Billy-boy as showing the true feelings the Clintons have for Obama, and if he is not present for the Obama acceptance speech there will be lingering doubts about both Clintons support for da’ man.
CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Source: Bill Clinton will not attend Obama’s Invesco speech « - Blogs from CNN.com
Not only is Billy-bob not hanging around it appears that many Clintonite’s ain’t going to either.

Clinton Advisers Skipping Obama Speech | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

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A number of Sen. Hillary Clinton's top advisers will not be staying in Denver long enough to hear Barack Obama accept the nomination for president, according to sources familiar with their schedules.

A bit on the continuing decent in the blue team:

Clinton fans deaf to words of healing | The Australian

Seems they have some not so nice views of Obama:

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"Lots think he's simply not qualified."

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"I think he played the race card during the primaries. It was a sexist campaign."

One more linky on the stinky inside the blue teams ranks:
Angry Clinton supporters toast McCain, roast Obama - CNN.com

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The event, sponsored by the Republican National Committee and approved by the McCain campaign, was a chance for McCain and Clinton supporters to come together for one cause: their opposition to Barack Obama's candidacy.

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"I'm a registered Republican...for the first time in my voting life," Archuleta said. "No Obama for me. I'm voting for John McCain."

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"He Reminds me of what the Jimmy Carter era was like. ... If they think Jimmy Cater had it bad, just wait if Obama gets into the White House. That will be bad news in so many ways," she added.

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Obama's relative lack of experience in national politics -- long seen as his Achilles heel -- was something that Clinton supporters, Republicans and independents attending the happy hour rallied behind. "His lack of experience has been demonstrated so painfull every time he opens his mouth just about. ... You cannot have good judgement without experience; that's how you get it," said 58-year-old Marnie Delano of New York.

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But there is some bad news for Obama. The poll showed that 66 percent of Clinton supporters -- registered Democrats who want Clinton as the nominee -- are now backing Obama. That's down from 75 percent in the end of June. Twenty-seven percent of them now say they'll support McCain, up from 16 percent in late June.

Seems all is not quite on the leftist front?

Bugs

And as if the Clintonites were not causing enough of a stink all by themselves, an Obamamaniac had to open their mouth:

The Associated Press: Clinton supporter says she was called 'Uncle Tom'

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A black delegate for Hillary Rodham Clinton says she was called an "Uncle Tom" by Illinois Senate President Emil Jones, one of Barack Obama's political mentors. Chicago political consultant Delmarie Cobb says Jones made the remarks Saturday night while discussing her support for Clinton. She called the remark "fighting words" and unacceptable.

cbs2chicago.com - Jones Said To Apologize After 'Uncle Tom' Comment

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These racial slur disputes can either fade fast, or keep on going. One bad sign for Sen. Jones, and therefore for his friend, Obama, too, is that this one's rocketed right past the "he said, she said" phase straight to the angry "demand for resignation" phase.

AntRobertson

Obama's going to have enough trouble selling himself let alone another minority or a woman. It would be the end of his campaign.

Bugs

Both teams are pretty good at using half-truths to cloud the picture; here are some from the convention in regard to McCain:

The Associated Press: FactCheck: Claims omit details on McCain record

chinthee

Obama should have picked Clinton for VP. I fear he will lose now to McCain. He could have locked her and Bill in a rubber room somewhere in the White House, but surely, she would have been the best bet to help him win.

Ego.

raycarey

huh?

that's funny (not really), you also posted this....

and this...





http://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...tml#post630068 (US Presidential Campaign 2008)

http://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...tml#post617239 (US Presidential Campaign 2008)




you flip-flop more than john mccain.

chinthee

^Don't be silly little boy. It's not my preference that he pick Clinton, but I'm saying that would have been the best strategy to get elected.

Dick.

Texpat

I was thinking the same thing today, Chinthee.
Maybe an Obama / Clinton ticket is the only way OB would have won.
Every democrat everywhere would be lining up to vote.

Jet Gorgon

Yoo hoo! Here's Jettie! I think I said the same thing about Clinty last week. ray will surely look it up for us.
I enjoyed watching Billy bob laughing at some points of Hillde's speech. He really hates BO, IMO. I wonder if he will vote McC?

chinthee

Just you watch. Jetty will be the true clairvoyant on this forum and Barak and his "planet of the apes" wife will disappear into nothingness. Whoo, did I just call his wife a monkey girl????

Texpat

He said yesterday on CNN TV -- Would you rather have as president a guy who you agree with on almost everything-- who you have no confidence in getting anything done

or a guy you agree with on half the issues who will get things accomplished?

Kinda says it all for me on where William Jefferson comes down on this election ... I still think he was a good prez.

chinthee

Jefferson is the penultimate standard upon all other should be based.