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Old 03-07-2008, 11:49 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Hydrogen/Helium Cars would be nice
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:43 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Hybrids are a waste of time, batteries usually only last 3-4 years and to replace them well is extremely costly. If they could get the cost down below 500quid then they might have smth. However 5-10x as much makes it not worth it.
Well I was picked up at Heathrow by a Lexus limo hybrid. It was wonderful. Absolute silence in the car park and then the traffic (running on the battery) and then soon as we were on the motorway, fantastic power.
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Old 04-07-2008, 04:28 AM   #43 (permalink)
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^ Don't have enough juice for long-haul jobbies. Electric would be good for commuters going a short way from rural home to the train station and back. Just need plug-ins in the parking stalls. Shouldn't be a prob; we've had those in Canada for eons coz you have to plug in the engine block heater during the winter.
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^Er, no, the 3.5 Liter V8 kicked in on the motorway. Thats why its called a hybrid.
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Old 04-07-2008, 05:33 AM   #45 (permalink)
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^Er, no, the 3.5 Liter V8 kicked in on the motorway. Thats why its called a hybrid.
Lexus is a bit different to the Prius though.

Lexus use their electric motor to give it some oomph on the motorway as well.

The Greens got a bit upset by it since it went against the idea of hybrids in their views
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:42 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Toyota/ Lexus has a fully functioning hybrid.

GM's market strength is mainly with SUV's and V8's.

Who's Board deserves a pay rise?
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In 2007 their overseas sales were profitable. If they could only rid themselves of domestic sales.
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Do they sell those models in the US?
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I don't know. I heard they were to begin importing a Saturn model normally sold in Europe. It's called the Opel Astra.
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I think the GM corporate bosses were offended by this TD thread and hurriedly put this together last night.

GM May Sell Mini-Cars to Fuel-Conscious U.S. Buyers

July 3 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., which popularized the 7,800-pound Hummer, may begin selling a mini-car more than a foot shorter than anything else it markets in the U.S. to win back buyers deterred by record fuel prices.

GM may bring the production version of the Chevrolet Beat to the U.S., people familiar with the plan said. The car, which would normally be reserved for markets such as Asia and Latin America, gets as much as 40 miles a gallon, a fuel efficiency topped in the U.S. only by hybrids.

The possible American introduction of the Beat would be one step in a fleet downsizing and shift away from fossil fuel-based vehicles that the people said is already under way at Detroit- based GM. Resigned to $4-a-gallon gasoline and stricter pollution rules, the largest U.S. automaker has recognized that its response must go beyond the mothballing of large truck plants, the people said.

``This is a very big change for GM,'' said John Wolkonowicz, an analyst at Global Insight Inc. in Lexington, Massachusetts. ``They have no choice. There's never been as rapid a shift in consumer demand in the history of the auto industry.''

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEJvUUe4iUlU&refer=worldwide

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They better redesign to $6 a gallon fuel.
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It's called the Opel Astra.
New Astra isn't a bad looking car.

220 VX turbo charged one is rather nice.
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Hydrogen/Helium Cars would be nice
Honda has been testing Hydrogen cars for over three years, and just recently announced the first production cars are to be made - but very low production numbers right now (around 200 over the next 3 years). The cost for Honda per vehicle is something like $300k, and they say they should be able to get this cost down under $100k in about a decade.


BBC NEWS | Business | Honda makes first hydrogen cars

FuturePundit: Honda Hydrogen Car Goes Into Very Low Production

Honda FCX Clarity - Hydrogen Fuel Cell Vehicle - Official Web Site

Honda Worldwide | Fuel Cell

I have not checked much into it but it seems while the vehicle might not produce the green house gases, quite alot is made in the production of the Hydrogen to fuel the cars in the first place.
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Interesting car here. It runs by compressed air.

Air Car Factories - The Air Car

edited to add: sorry they appear to updated their website to be complete shit since the last time I checked in. I'll look for a news article.

Air Car - First Air-Powered Car - Zero Emissions - Behind the Tech - Popular Mechanics
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GMAC suffer crippling blow as it becomes clear UK's B&B won't be good for the purchase of the $4BN per year of GMAC loans:

http://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...tml#post679788 (A note of caution for those with deposits in US Banks)

Could be the knockout blow this...
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Its a nice looking car too....
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Honda have really hit it out of the park, at least as far as the US market. They resisted the temptation to deliver big SUVs and trucks, and kept with their core fuel-efficient products.

As a result, they are actually on a growth pattern, and not because of hybrids. They will turn out to be the big winner in this energy price crisis. Toyota is too top heavy, with Lexus, big SUVs, big trucks, everything. Yes, they have the top selling hybrid, the Prius, but as a complete product line, no manufacturer is as well positioned as Honda, with the exception of the Koreans, which do not enjoy the same market share or quality reputation. But I do look for Kia and Hyundai to benefit too.

Big losers: everyone else.
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Nice-looking car?
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Honda have really hit it out of the park, at least as far as the US market. They resisted the temptation to deliver big SUVs and trucks, and kept with their core fuel-efficient products.

As a result, they are actually on a growth pattern, and not because of hybrids. They will turn out to be the big winner in this energy price crisis. Toyota is too top heavy, with Lexus, big SUVs, big trucks, everything. Yes, they have the top selling hybrid, the Prius, but as a complete product line, no manufacturer is as well positioned as Honda, with the exception of the Koreans, which do not enjoy the same market share or quality reputation. But I do look for Kia and Hyundai to benefit too.

Big losers: everyone else.
Toyota is selling the hell out of the Yaris (34/40mpg base price about $11,000) here. You see many more Yaris than the Honda Fit (27 city/34mpg base price $14,750) I don't know anyone in Honda sales but the base sounds too high.
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what about the cars running on air. I can't believe anyone is not digging that one further. Amazing invention, yet so simple.
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