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Old 23-06-2008, 12:32 PM   #61 (permalink)
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....the mass genocides of Kurds in Hussein's own country in which he gassed his own people.
This is false.

Saddam Hussein never gassed his own people. This is old propaganda. It's a lie and repeated over and over.

Saddam did torture and execute his own people (Arabic Sunnis & Shiites), but he never gassed them.

Kurds are NOT his people. They are ethnically not Arabic, and they don't speak the Arabic language.
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Old 23-06-2008, 12:34 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Hmmm they were in Iraq, so technically speaking they are his citizens.
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Old 23-06-2008, 12:39 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Hmmm they were in Iraq, so technically speaking they are his citizens.
Citizenship is completely different.

That statement was that the Kurds were/are are "his own people."

The Kurds are not Turkish, but millions live in Turkey. They aren't Turkish. I have worked with Turkish people. Same as in other countries where Kurds live.

The Kurdish issue in Iraq is another example of how the Middle East was carved up by Western powers, creating nation-states with different ethnic, racial, religious, and cultural groups.

Reminds one of what Stalin did in the Ngorno-Karabach region.
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Old 23-06-2008, 12:52 PM   #64 (permalink)
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The Kurdish issue in Iraq is another example of how the Middle East was carved up by Western powers, creating nation-states with different ethnic, racial, religious, and cultural groups.
A recipe for disaster as proven in many regions of the world from Africa to the Balkins.
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Saddam Hussein never gassed his own people. This is old propaganda. It's a lie and repeated over and over.
i met several kurds burma (6 or 8). they had turkish passports and were full fleged turks having been born in turkey. they do speak a different language but most are multilingual. there has been a lot of intermarriage according to them. they are quite proud of their kurd heritage, language and culture -- and equally proud of being active turkish citizins.
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Saddam did torture and execute his own people (Arabic Sunnis & Shiites), but he never gassed them. Kurds are NOT his people. They are ethnically not Arabic, and they don't speak the Arabic language.
i think you are wrong on this, mm.

what is the nationality of a kurdish person, born in turkey, granted a turkish passport and the right to vote?
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interested to see further explanation on this point, mm. i am completely missing your point. thanks.
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Hmmm they were in Iraq, so technically speaking they are his citizens.
Citizenship is completely different.

That statement was that the Kurds were/are are "his own people."

The Kurds are not Turkish, but millions live in Turkey. They aren't Turkish. I have worked with Turkish people. Same as in other countries where Kurds live.

The Kurdish issue in Iraq is another example of how the Middle East was carved up by Western powers, creating nation-states with different ethnic, racial, religious, and cultural groups.

Reminds one of what Stalin did in the Ngorno-Karabach region.
But they do have a lot of oil up there.
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Old 24-06-2008, 10:08 AM   #69 (permalink)
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back to the topic,

Bush best idea this year would be to leave the WH, and just fuck off to die somewhere in Texas,
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interested to see further explanation on this point, mm. i am completely missing your point. thanks.
I read your post yesterday and agree, mostly.

Yes, the Kurds are proud of their heritage. Yes, some have intermarried in Turkey.

And, Kurds speak Kurdish, and in northern Iraq (in "Kurdistan") the Kurds fly a separate flag, frown upon Arabic being spoken there, and have stated they want a Kurdish independent or semi-independent state.

so, to reiterate: Saddam never gassed his own people - because he (his cousin, chemical Ali) gassed the Kurds in Iraq.

The Kurds are not Saddam's people. (Living in the same political nation-state created by Westerners makes no difference.)

Saddam Hussein's name is Hussein al-Tikriti, because he's from the town of Tikrit, and Hussein is a secular Sunni Arab.
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In an interview former South Viet premier KY was asked about what he thought of the plight of the "boat people" He responded, they are not my people. Tribalism really is a nasty business.
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He responded, they are not my people. Tribalism really is a nasty business.
A shame isn't it. National borders seem irrelevant in what some people define as "their people". This "us and them" mentality exits in every nation with mixed ethnicities.
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President Bush's term is mercifully coming to an end in a few months. Although his handler's mistakes were numerous and the painful consequences will be felt by all for years to come I was wondering if he did anything wise or even semi-competent during his tenure? Sure, it would be easy (and lengthy) to list his foibles but what did he and his administrators get right?


The only thing that springs to mind is his attempt to create a temporary work permit program for the illegals (read: Mexicans) in the U.S. I think it was a great idea but the more radical elements of his party shot it down fairly quickly.

Can anyone else think of anything he did/supported over the past 7 years that was beneficial to America?
yes fatten is bank account like his son is doing now
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He renamed French fries, Freedom fries.
sorry to say french fries does not exists the are Belgian fries an invention when flanders whas very poor and they had nothing else to eat than potatoes fried in piggrease
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