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Milkman · 09-04-2008, 05:07 PM

Always critical of "movies" being made about history and historical figures, you can get a look at the original screenplay here on pdf. The opening scene is where speechwriters are trying to find a soundbyte. It starts off at "Axis of Hate," but the decide "Axis of Evil" sounds better.

According to scholars, some elements of this film are accurate and other parts, just made up.

Screenplay: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...2-w_script.pdf

Boon Mee · 09-04-2008, 06:09 PM

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The movie - from reviews I've read, is a load of ca ca. Portrays Dubya in the lowest light possible. Basically, another hit piece. Oliver Stone should stick with making movies about his hero's like Fidel Castro/Che Guevara etc...

Begbie · 09-04-2008, 06:12 PM

It's actually a remake of "The Simpsons Movie" except using dummies instead of cartoon characters.

Boon Mee · 09-04-2008, 06:18 PM

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It's actually a remake of "The Simpsons Movie" except using dummies instead of cartoon characters.

No doubt...a sure-fire Oscar Award winner I'm sure...

Little Chuchok · 09-04-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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The movie - from reviews I've read, is a load of ca ca. Portrays Dubya in the lowest light possible. Basically, another hit piece. Oliver Stone should stick with making movies about his hero's like Fidel Castro/Che Guevara etc...

And your point is......

Boon Mee · 09-04-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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The movie - from reviews I've read, is a load of ca ca. Portrays Dubya in the lowest light possible. Basically, another hit piece. Oliver Stone should stick with making movies about his hero's like Fidel Castro/Che Guevara etc...

And your point is......

Heh...does "hit piece" kao jai with you, LC?

Little Chuchok · 09-04-2008, 07:32 PM

^ "cod Piece"?

Butterfly · 09-04-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Portrays Dubya in the lowest light possible

quite a challenge to do otherwise, the guy has been a total failure all his life, from A to Z, how could someone portray him otherwise ?

Milkman · 09-04-2008, 07:44 PM

From the comments above, I agree. I also see this as some cheap form of "entertainment" or criticism.

There are at least 17 books out on George W. Bush, and he isn't even finished in office yet. After his term end, there may be some more honesty and detail about the administration from the senior advisors, etc., who love to pen "memoirs."

My point: any movie is limited, and this one will be, too.

I'm not an Oliver Stone fan when it comes to 1. history and 2. historical stuff, he's done.

I did like Wall Street and its main writer is the same guy who has written "W."

Butterfly · 09-04-2008, 08:14 PM

^ his best movie was the one on American Football, awesome, and I don't like American football

britmaveric · 10-04-2008, 05:49 AM

Hardly a failure Butterfy - W become a two term yank pressie and that alone is an amazing accomplishment. Stone makes entertaining movies however you need to suspend your disbelief because for the most part its all fiction.

Wall Street, Platoon, Alexander were his best, and I liked World Trade Center too.

Jet Gorgon · 10-04-2008, 10:31 AM

I was watching a movie called "Obsession" about radical Islam last night. Seemed good and then I fell asleep even before popcorn intermission.

Begbie · 10-04-2008, 01:08 PM

^Shagged out Jettie ?

Milkman · 10-04-2008, 02:11 PM

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Hardly a failure Butterfy - W become a two term yank pressie and that alone is an amazing accomplishment.

GWB had good campaign managers. Rove knew what groups GWB needed in his tent and he played specifically to those groups. Nader got the state of Oregon, a blue state in 2000.

Note, that both elections were razor tight, and 2000 was disputed and Ohio in 2004 was dubious.

Nevertheless, GWB did win.

Butterfly · 10-04-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

W become a two term yank pressie and that alone is an amazing accomplishment.

yeah if you count cheating as success,

John L · 10-04-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by britmaveric

W become a two term yank pressie and that alone is an amazing accomplishment.

yeah if you count cheating as success,

That's news to me. Has he been cheating on his wife? Perhaps you should give the MSM your findings so they can run with it?

Jet Gorgon · 11-04-2008, 03:52 AM

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^Shagged out Jettie ?

Guess so. It's been happening alot to me lately.

I agree with the viewpoints on distorted history. Stone likes to twist scenarios, which then stay in the viewers' minds as the "truth".

Milkman · 13-05-2008, 08:30 PM

I'm not a fan of Stone, and I don't like "biography" movies, but this film will be released before the election, in less than 5 months. It won't mean much, IMO, but it'll be interesting perhaps.

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FILM HAS A FEW WORDS ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT

May 13, 2008 -- YOU'VE maybe heard about "W.," Oliver Stone's tough feature film about Bush. Stone calls him "horrible . . . worst in history." Josh Brolin plays W.; Elizabeth Banks, Laura; James Cromwell, papa Bush; Ellen Burstyn, mama Barbara; Thandie Newton, Condoleezza. First-ever movie about a sitting president, shooting in Shreveport, La., is so hush-hush secret that all scripts are embargoed. Watermarked so that each is traceable.

So do not ask - do not - how one is now in my own sticky fingers. Do not ask. If I answered, which I won't, I'd have to lie. A supposed chronicle of his presidency, every scene or shard of dialogue is theoretically - if not proven fact - within the realm of repeated rumor. No imaginary scenes off the deep end. Stone's trying for legitimacy so he won't get pilloried. Or audited.

Here's Karl Rove making W. memorize answers, telling him, "Before you speak, come to me first. I'll tell you what to say." W. chiding late-arriving "Balloonfoot" Powell, saying military men should know about being on time. Rumsfeld, who's hard of hearing. W. happy when Cheney laughs at his cowboy-delivered twang. Cheney stepping in cow poop at Crawford. W. eating his favorite White House bologna sandwich lunch.

In all presidential erudition, telling Gen. Tommy Franks to be sure what he's doing: "I don't want to fire no $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the a - -." Then: "Americans don't like to see dead boys on their television sets." Telling education reformers: "Rarely is the question asked, 'Is our children learning?' "

Page 10 on Bill Clinton: "My mother waddles faster than that larda - -." Page 11: "We'll move these terr'ists to Guantanemera." Cheney: "Guantanamo." Bush: "Right." Then Bush to Cheney: "Vice, when we're in meetings I want you to keep a lid on it. Keep your ego in check. Remember, I'm the president."

Flashbacks have college-boy W. boozing, slacking off from work, in jail, calling his then-congressman father "Poppy." Sr. praising Jeb, castigating Jr., asking if he's "knocked up" a girl named Susie, complaining, "You never kept your word once . . . you're only good for partying, chasing tail, driving drunk . . . You deeply disappoint me." Repeat father and son arguments. Father: "I've had enough of your crap." Son: "I've had enough of you for a lifetime." Mama Barbara breaking up the near fisticuffs with announcing Jr. just made Harvard and Sr. responding, "But who do you think pulled the strings?"

Link: FILM HAS A FEW WORDS ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT - New York Post

Mr Earl · 13-05-2008, 08:38 PM

Sounds like another work of fiction a la Michael Moore.

Milkman · 05-07-2008, 02:35 PM

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Sounds like another work of fiction a la Michael Moore.

Not all. Where did your read this?

I don't plan on watching it, but it'll be out in less than 4 months. I have read interviews from the cast, crew, and writers.

It's not a polemic. Although I'll listen carefully for some biases, which may, or may not - be in the film.

09-04-2008, 05:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Milkman Gone Off Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: shelf Posts: 9,390	Oliver Stone's Film, "W" Always critical of "movies" being made about history and historical figures, you can get a look at the original screenplay here on pdf. The opening scene is where speechwriters are trying to find a soundbyte. It starts off at "Axis of Hate," but the decide "Axis of Evil" sounds better. According to scholars, some elements of this film are accurate and other parts, just made up. Screenplay: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...2-w_script.pdf __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. _____________

09-04-2008, 06:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Today 10:00 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,749	^ The movie - from reviews I've read, is a load of ca ca. Portrays Dubya in the lowest light possible. Basically, another hit piece. Oliver Stone should stick with making movies about his hero's like Fidel Castro/Che Guevara etc...

09-04-2008, 06:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
Begbie Senior Member Last Online: Today 10:00 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lagrangian Point Posts: 5,530	It's actually a remake of "The Simpsons Movie" except using dummies instead of cartoon characters.

09-04-2008, 07:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Little Chuchok Senior Member Last Online: 22-10-2008 07:06 PM Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,268	^ "cod Piece"?

09-04-2008, 07:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
Milkman Gone Off Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: shelf Posts: 9,390	From the comments above, I agree. I also see this as some cheap form of "entertainment" or criticism. There are at least 17 books out on George W. Bush, and he isn't even finished in office yet. After his term end, there may be some more honesty and detail about the administration from the senior advisors, etc., who love to pen "memoirs." My point: any movie is limited, and this one will be, too. I'm not an Oliver Stone fan when it comes to 1. history and 2. historical stuff, he's done. I did like Wall Street and its main writer is the same guy who has written "W."

09-04-2008, 08:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,645	^ his best movie was the one on American Football, awesome, and I don't like American football

10-04-2008, 05:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,679	Hardly a failure Butterfy - W become a two term yank pressie and that alone is an amazing accomplishment. Stone makes entertaining movies however you need to suspend your disbelief because for the most part its all fiction. Wall Street, Platoon, Alexander were his best, and I liked World Trade Center too.

10-04-2008, 10:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon What the Dormouse Said Last Online: Today 05:03 PM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rabbit Hole Posts: 7,298	I was watching a movie called "Obsession" about radical Islam last night. Seemed good and then I fell asleep even before popcorn intermission.

10-04-2008, 01:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
Begbie Senior Member Last Online: Today 10:00 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lagrangian Point Posts: 5,530	^Shagged out Jettie ?

13-05-2008, 08:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
Mr Earl Jumping Jeebus Last Online: Today 08:09 PM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ranong Posts: 4,875	Sounds like another work of fiction a la Michael Moore.