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raycarey

bobby, bobby, bobby. i'm sure mommy tells you you're special. but do you really think obama was going to mention you by name?

here's what i posted...

you see bobby, in some ways you and the reverend are the flip side of the same coin....thus, "the likes of you".

try and keep up, because i'm done holding your hand.

BobbyTits

Is that the best you can come up with ?




In this race ? In this time of "Oh So Political Correctness" ?

You're wrong

The guy is getting handed a pass simply because he is black.









Again more useless babble from you.

stroller

Sorry, tits, not my fault you didn't get yourself an education, but I'd keep my voice down if I cannot and don't want to understand - ignorance is not something to be proud of.

The limitation is not on my side.

Perhaps you can understand this: I cannot be wrong for something I haven't said.

And I thought the affair is having major repercussions for him?

Jet Gorgon

Actually, Booners, I disagree with Coulter on expressing the race card issue. No politician has done it in the past decade or so that I know of. I think Obama's speech about race will bring a greater divide -- oh, the blacks have always got the short end of the stick diatribe. BS. OB and his wife did well, no? (I still question how they paid tuition.) Anybody can do well -- it's called get to work, find a way to learn (common sense doesn't come from text books), be determined to find a way. Of course there are bleak patches, but folks who give up NEVER achieve.
OB's speech will alienate the masses further. Anybody who is lazy will think they'll get a free ride. I see pandemonium.

sabang

All of this talk about the Rev. Wright seems to have very little to do with the man himself or his accomplishments, which seems to me very patronising.

Here are some facts-

Education: Virginia Union University, 1959-61; Howard University, BA, 1968, MA, 1969; University of Chicago School of Divinity, MA, 1975; United Theological Seminary, DMin, Black Sacred music, 1990.

Military/Wartime Service: U.S. Marine Corps, private first class, 1961-63; U.S. Navy, hospital corpsman third class, 1964-67.

During 1965 and 1966, he was awarded with three Presidential Commendations from President Lyndon B. Johnson.

When Wright joined the staff of Trinity United Church of Christ as senior pastor, the inner city church boasted just 87 active members, most of whom came from the neighborhood surrounding the church.

By 2004 there were over 10,000 members, with people coming from across the metro area. The congregation, which proudly notes its diverse socio-economic mix, dedicated a new 2,700 worship center in 1997.

Trinity has 70 ministry programs, 22 of which target youth. Half of the programs target the community, including adult education, literacy, computer, child care, and education for unemployed or low-income families.

In recognition of his contributions, Wright has been awarded seven honorary doctoral degrees. He has also served on a number of boards and commissions, including serving on the board of trustees for Virginia Union University and Chicago Theological Seminary. He continues to be a highly sought after preacher, teacher, and lecturer.

Jeremiah Wright: Biography and Much More from Answers.com

He's certainly done a lot more with his career than your average suburban Pastor. I don't agree with all that he has said on the pulpit, but his contributions in a social sense vastly outweigh that.

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He's still a racist of the highest order and a lunatic as well.
Have you seen the tapes?

BobbyTits

Lovely to see a majority of my replies have been deleted here.

Who are the moderators on this forum ?

Or is this place becoming another version of Thai Visa ...

sabang

At last, I have read something balanced about Jeremiah Wright. From the NY Times, Nicholas Kristof-

"The outrage over sermons by Mr. Wright demonstrates how desperately we as a nation need the dialogue about race that Mr. Obama tried to start with his speech on Tuesday.

Many well-meaning Americans perceive Mr. Wright as fundamentally a hate-monger who preaches antagonism toward whites. But those who know his church say that is an unrecognizable caricature: He is a complex figure and sometimes a reckless speaker, but one of his central messages is not anti-white hostility but black self-reliance.

“The big thing for Wright is hope,” said Martin Marty, one of America’s foremost theologians, who has known the Rev. Wright for 35 years and attended many of his services. “You hear ‘hope, hope, hope.’ Lots of ordinary people are there, and they’re there not to blast the whites. They’re there to get hope.”

Professor Marty said that as a white person, he sticks out in the largely black congregation but is always greeted with warmth and hospitality. “It’s not anti-white,” he said. “I don’t know anybody who’s white who walks out of there not feeling affirmed.”

Mr. Wright has indeed made some outrageous statements. But he should be judged as well by his actions — including a vigorous effort to address poverty, ill health, injustice and AIDS in his ministry. Mr. Wright has been frightfully wrong on many topics, but he was right on poverty, civil rights and compassion for AIDS victims.

What should draw much more scrutiny in this campaign than any pastor’s sermons is the candidates’ positions on education, health care and poverty — and their ability to put those policies in place. Cutting off health care benefits for low-income children strikes me as much more offensive than any inflammatory sermon.
Many white Americans seem concerned that Mr. Obama, who seems so reasonable, should enjoy the company of Mr. Wright, who seems so militant, angry and threatening. To whites, for example, it has been shocking to hear Mr. Wright suggest that the AIDS virus was released as a deliberate government plot to kill black people.

That may be an absurd view in white circles, but a 1990 survey found that 30 percent of African-Americans believed this was at least plausible.

... All of this demonstrates that a national dialogue on race is painful, awkward and essential. And that dialogue needs to focus not on clips from old sermons by Mr. Wright but on far more urgent challenges — for example, that about half of black males do not graduate from high school with their class."

Full article- Obama and Race - New York Times

stroller

If you read the issues posting rules, you'd find moderating is rather lenient here.

This also is my expression, it is sad to observe the animousity and lack of generousity in the race-related dialogues.

BobbyTits

Obviously written by an apologist.

Obama is a great orator but of little known substance and a bit of dirt like this does not help him one bit.

stroller

It's easy to brush the entire article aside with this remark.
Care to comment on what in particular you disagree with and why?

BobbyTits

"Mr. Wright, who seems so militant, angry and threatening. To whites, for example, it has been shocking to hear Mr. Wright suggest that the AIDS virus was released as a deliberate government plot to kill black people.

That may be an absurd view in white circles, but a 1990 survey found that 30 percent of African-Americans believed this was at least plausible."



So 30% makes an outrageous statement somewhat ok with this author ?


I still like Obama as a candidate , he seems the least influenced by the typical political agenda.


What I can't stand are double standard's.

Milkman

I'm very interested in getting some quotes of this Reverend claiming that the govt started AIDS in attempt to kill blacks.

I don't think it's related to Obama nor his campaign.

But why is this religious kook talking about political and social policy when he's supposed to be a religous man?

Stick to religion, pal.

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stroller

The point is, that if 30% of a peer group hold the same belief, it is not as outrageous as it may look like from the outside.

It would be of great concern if Obama shared and publicly expressed this belief, since he acts on a much larger platform and different role than a pastor preaching in the local community.

BobbyTits

30% is far from a majority regardless of where they took this poll.

My gripe is the double standard.

In Obama's case it is guilt by association , any other candidate or politician for that matter would be lynched if they were found out to have a relationship with a kook like this pastor.

America is now totally out of whack with political correctness i.e. no Christmas trees in the town square because it might offend somebody type of shit.

Or don't dare criticize the black community because a large portion of them are criminal's or living generation to generation on the doll, don't convict OJ because it will cause a race riot , etc. etc.


It is pandering.

stroller

Noone claims it's a majority opinion, just an, ahem, 'acceptable' one in the Black community to whom Wright was preaching.

I disagree. How do you know he is "guilty", i.e. shares this belief?
What would happen to other candidates is speculation, but you are more familiar with US habits than I am, obviously.

But you wish to extend this 'political correctness' by blaming Obama for Wright's words? Wouldn't it be better to insist on the same disassociation in other cases where somebody's reputation is attacked by the other side?

Yet you don't hesitate to insult the "black community" with disparaging remarks, as you have just done?

BobbyTits

And basically racist bullshit.


If Obama were white and had verified close relationship with someone like Rev. Wright their political career would be over. Obama is getting a pass.





The pandering and double standard is my gripe about it.



I am pointing out facts , not politically correct to do so.

But not insulting either.

sabang

Rev. Wright, in spite of some of his loonie views, has done a lot of good work in the Afro American community. Is he Racist? Well possibly- although according to whites that have been there the congregation is welcoming to people of all colour. I'm not going to defend his loonie positions on AIDS and stuff- it kills plenty of whites too. Just take him as he is- Richard Nixon was a famous racist too, but we can credit him with diplomatically opening up China.

Obama is not his Pastor, and neither does he agree with a number of his views, as he made obvious. I think theres only so much political mileage out of this whole thing- there will obviously be the staunch Republican element, and the white racist element that will never stop harping on about it, but I just don't see how a majority of the US electorate are going to be spooked about it long term. Obama is no idiot, whatever your views of his politics- he can obviously think for himself.

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BobbyTits

It is not only White racist's that have a problem with it.

I think many non racist but realist White's are not tickled pink about his close relationship with Rev Wright.