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Texpat · 13-03-2008, 11:03 AM

^^As long as there are dumb, poor Pakis eating dirt soup and schlepping shit around the dusty village on a push cart, Al Qaeda will fill its ranks. You really believe a villager in a far-flung village in the hills of Pakistan gives a toss about US politics?

I'd bet that if I walked into my village here in Thailand today and asked 100 people on the street who these people are in the photo (Hilde, Obama, McCain) less than 5% would know anything about any of them. The 5 that had any clue would only recognize Hilde.

ChiangMai noon · 13-03-2008, 11:05 AM

^
I dunno.

my wife is following the primaries a lot closer than me.

she things Obama is cute.

chinthee · 13-03-2008, 11:06 AM

^^^I think the Clintons are waging a clever, historical, underhanded and unprecedented propaganda war right now on the race issue. I think they are attempting to polarize the white vote in her favor, thereby demonstrating to the Super delegates that Obama could not win the white vote against McCain, and therefore would lose against McCain in the general election.

britmaveric · 13-03-2008, 11:12 AM

Looks as if McCain - absolutely annihilates clinton head to head. Then is a bit ahead of Obama. BTW Obama is coke head, snorted it and dealed it. Also rumored to took one up the arse, according to a former bf.

floorpotato · 13-03-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Texpat

^^As long as there are dumb, poor Pakis eating dirt soup and schlepping shit around the dusty village on a push cart, Al Qaeda will fill its ranks. You really believe a villager in a far-flung village in the hills of Pakistan gives a toss about US politics? I'd bet that if I walked into my village here in Thailand today and asked 100 people on the street who these people are in the photo (Hilde, Obama, McCain) less than 5% would know anything about any of them. The 5 that had any clue would only recognize Hilde.

They all know who Bush is. And if Obama wins, he is far too smart to swat the hornets nest like Bush did. In-your-face military aggression by the West is red meat for these guys.

Norton · 13-03-2008, 11:13 AM

The Dems will get the Obama vs Clinton issue sorted with Obama emerging as their candidate. Obama will defeat McCain. McCain's stance of continuing and probable expansion of troop strength is in direct conflict with the majority of voters whom indicate a 60% disapproval of the war. Hard as he may try, he will not be able to distance himself from his albatross GWB. GWB's approval rating and an indicator of sentiment towards the Republicans is below 30%! The economy will be a big issue but the Dems have a more populist message and while I don't agree with it, it resonates with the electorate. The biggest obstacle to McCain winning is simply mathematics. The enthusiasm and Dem voter turnout generated by Obama ensures the Dems will by far outnumber Republicans in the general election and I doubt there will be many voting republican. The upside for McCain is he has no worries about his issues with right wing conservatives as I doubt even given their current "dislike" for McCain they certainly will not vote for Osama.

Milkman · 13-03-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by chinthee

^^^I think the Clintons are waging a clever, historical, underhanded and unprecedented propaganda war right now on the race issue. I think they are attempting to polarize the white vote in her favor....

I see this also, CT.

The Clintons are subtley playing the race card.

They will go to any depth to get power.

I cannot stand Hillary, and I'm sick of Bill.

Ferraro is the latest. I doubt Hilde had any connection but the subtle racial jabs stick in the minds of some voters to their benefit.

Begbie · 13-03-2008, 01:03 PM

The issue with McCain is who will he nominate for vice president. The guy is so old it's odds on he'll peg out after a few months in office and someone like Huckabee will end up running the country and the dollar into the ground.

Milkman · 13-03-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Begbie

The issue with McCain is who will he nominate for vice president. The guy is so old it's odds on he'll peg out after a few months in office and someone like Huckabee will end up running the country and the dollar into the ground.

Yeah, the VP choice is critical.

But I don't like it because: the VP choice for McCain may be to placate the social-moralist-conservatives.

And the choice may be less focused on economic acumen and policy positions.

The possibility of the VP assuming office if McCain checks out, is very real. You never know at that age. Things can turn for the worse (medically) quickly.

Butterfly · 13-03-2008, 01:09 PM

I think Dick Cheney would make a nice VP

tom · 13-03-2008, 01:27 PM

^^ CP - No argument from me who would be the best recruitment aid for
Al Qaeda.

I belive Al Qaeda wants the U.S and Allied forces out of the middle east. The sooner the better. BO and the Dems would be more likely to do that. McC & CO. don't sound like they are ready to leave yet.

britmaveric · 13-03-2008, 01:30 PM

Obama said the other day - he'd take a look at the situation if he became president and if troops needed to stay he would have them stay. (love back peddling politicians)

Camel Toe · 13-03-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

MacCain doesn't have a chance, the right wing loonies will rather see him die than making it to the WH, he has ennemies on both front, and is not a uniter

but yeah, the real question is "are they ready for a blackman or a strong lady" ? tough choice, I think the blackman has a better chance

Yes, Uncle Tom is better than Hester Prine. If Hester can't win there will be a lot of men sleeping on the couch.

bkkstoneman · 13-03-2008, 03:11 PM

Let me suggest another scenario...Not one that I like or could ever endorse, but worth thinking about...

Neither Obama nor Hillary will have enough delegates by convention time to get the nomination on the first ballot...Obama has no plans to be Hillary's VP and Hillary has no plans to be Obama's VP...So that is out...So we have a stand-off...I suggest that at that time the party elders will understand that further talks between these two will only lead to further strife in the party...So they come up with a new candidate that can heal the wounds caused by Hillary and Obama...Ready for this...Al Gore and Obama will be VP...Al Gore does not want it, but for the sake of the party will accept and all the new Obama supporters will be OK with it...Hillary supporters would support Al Gore.....Al will run for one term and then Obama can have his 8 years after Hillary has faded into the sunset..

Stoneman

William · 13-03-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

second guessing the minds of a huge electorate who would vote in GW Bush not once but twice is not an easy thing to do.

Agree, not a good track-record. But then add to that voting in (not to mention wasting tax payers' money impeaching) a President (for two terms) that was an admit adulter before they went to the ballot box the first time.

Gary Hart must really have wondered where he went wrong

raycarey · 13-03-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by William

the biggest problem McC faces is not the Demos, but trying to find enough support from within his own party.

while this is a problem, it's not the biggest problem he faces.

what he can never overcome is the fact that he's old. not just old but really old. and he had cancer. and his wife is a junkie. and he's got dirt all over him from the keating five. and he's admitted he doesn't know shit about economics when the US is facing the largest economic crisis in at least a generation.

and if you don't think he's out of it now, wait until the general election campaign goes into full swing, and he falls off a stage.....bob dole redux.

nobody wants their cranky grandfather to be president.

britmaveric · 13-03-2008, 09:15 PM

^^^ Believe Reagen was older.

chinthee · 13-03-2008, 09:19 PM

^Yeah, but Regan had style, charisma and charm. You can get away with murder with those traits.

britmaveric · 13-03-2008, 09:22 PM

McCain isn't boring - I love it when he goes off on the press. Speaks his mind.

chinthee · 13-03-2008, 09:25 PM

^Come on, McCain is a decent fellow, but he is no Reagan or Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton could stand in front of you and say "I am not here," and you would believe it. I think obama can develop his bullshit to reach a high level too. He's got charisma.

13-03-2008, 11:13 AM	#26 (permalink)
Norton Born Again Pagan Last Online: Yesterday 10:33 PM Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Roiet Posts: 7,236	The Dems will get the Obama vs Clinton issue sorted with Obama emerging as their candidate. Obama will defeat McCain. McCain's stance of continuing and probable expansion of troop strength is in direct conflict with the majority of voters whom indicate a 60% disapproval of the war. Hard as he may try, he will not be able to distance himself from his albatross GWB. GWB's approval rating and an indicator of sentiment towards the Republicans is below 30%! The economy will be a big issue but the Dems have a more populist message and while I don't agree with it, it resonates with the electorate. The biggest obstacle to McCain winning is simply mathematics. The enthusiasm and Dem voter turnout generated by Obama ensures the Dems will by far outnumber Republicans in the general election and I doubt there will be many voting republican. The upside for McCain is he has no worries about his issues with right wing conservatives as I doubt even given their current "dislike" for McCain they certainly will not vote for Osama. __________________ Eat right, exercise daily, live clean, die anyway.

13-03-2008, 11:03 AM	#21 (permalink)
Texpat ฝรั่งพูดมาก Last Online: Today 09:55 AM Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nong Khai Posts: 9,775	^^As long as there are dumb, poor Pakis eating dirt soup and schlepping shit around the dusty village on a push cart, Al Qaeda will fill its ranks. You really believe a villager in a far-flung village in the hills of Pakistan gives a toss about US politics? I'd bet that if I walked into my village here in Thailand today and asked 100 people on the street who these people are in the photo (Hilde, Obama, McCain) less than 5% would know anything about any of them. The 5 that had any clue would only recognize Hilde.

13-03-2008, 11:05 AM	#22 (permalink)
ChiangMai noon ysbryd y nos Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: o dan y bryn Posts: 25,348	^ I dunno. my wife is following the primaries a lot closer than me. she things Obama is cute.

13-03-2008, 11:06 AM	#23 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 23-09-2008 07:21 AM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,033	^^^I think the Clintons are waging a clever, historical, underhanded and unprecedented propaganda war right now on the race issue. I think they are attempting to polarize the white vote in her favor, thereby demonstrating to the Super delegates that Obama could not win the white vote against McCain, and therefore would lose against McCain in the general election.

13-03-2008, 11:12 AM	#24 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,681	Looks as if McCain - absolutely annihilates clinton head to head. Then is a bit ahead of Obama. BTW Obama is coke head, snorted it and dealed it. Also rumored to took one up the arse, according to a former bf.

13-03-2008, 01:03 PM	#28 (permalink)
Begbie Senior Member Last Online: Yesterday 09:51 PM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lagrangian Point Posts: 5,554	The issue with McCain is who will he nominate for vice president. The guy is so old it's odds on he'll peg out after a few months in office and someone like Huckabee will end up running the country and the dollar into the ground.

13-03-2008, 01:09 PM	#30 (permalink)
Butterfly Suspended Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 11,843	I think Dick Cheney would make a nice VP

13-03-2008, 01:27 PM	#31 (permalink)
tom Ao Nang Last Online: 21-11-2008 03:11 AM Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 128	^^ CP - No argument from me who would be the best recruitment aid for Al Qaeda. I belive Al Qaeda wants the U.S and Allied forces out of the middle east. The sooner the better. BO and the Dems would be more likely to do that. McC & CO. don't sound like they are ready to leave yet.

13-03-2008, 01:30 PM	#32 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,681	Obama said the other day - he'd take a look at the situation if he became president and if troops needed to stay he would have them stay. (love back peddling politicians)

13-03-2008, 03:11 PM	#34 (permalink)
bkkstoneman Phuket Last Online: 07-11-2008 10:23 AM Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: BKK Posts: 23	Let me suggest another scenario...Not one that I like or could ever endorse, but worth thinking about... Neither Obama nor Hillary will have enough delegates by convention time to get the nomination on the first ballot...Obama has no plans to be Hillary's VP and Hillary has no plans to be Obama's VP...So that is out...So we have a stand-off...I suggest that at that time the party elders will understand that further talks between these two will only lead to further strife in the party...So they come up with a new candidate that can heal the wounds caused by Hillary and Obama...Ready for this...Al Gore and Obama will be VP...Al Gore does not want it, but for the sake of the party will accept and all the new Obama supporters will be OK with it...Hillary supporters would support Al Gore.....Al will run for one term and then Obama can have his 8 years after Hillary has faded into the sunset.. Stoneman

13-03-2008, 09:15 PM	#37 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,681	^^^ Believe Reagen was older.

13-03-2008, 09:19 PM	#38 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 23-09-2008 07:21 AM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,033	^Yeah, but Regan had style, charisma and charm. You can get away with murder with those traits.

13-03-2008, 09:22 PM	#39 (permalink)
britmaveric nid aur yw popeth melyn Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Pattaya Posts: 2,681	McCain isn't boring - I love it when he goes off on the press. Speaks his mind.

13-03-2008, 09:25 PM	#40 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 23-09-2008 07:21 AM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,033	^Come on, McCain is a decent fellow, but he is no Reagan or Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton could stand in front of you and say "I am not here," and you would believe it. I think obama can develop his bullshit to reach a high level too. He's got charisma.

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