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chinthee

Just for the record...whom do you support "tom?"

tom

^ Barack. Eight years of the Clintons was enough.

raycarey

^
no doubt. it's time to move forward out of the economic and foreign policy disasters the bush white house has gotten the US into.

going back to the 90s won't help anything....and everybody knows bill would take any position offered him by the obama white house.

Boon Mee

"Michelle Obama is instructive. She's a depressing specimen of a post-modern class of victim -- demanding, whining, self-absorbed, self-pitying, and infantile."

An objective analysis of Obama's wife is outlined here.

stroller

Not sure Michelle is a "victim"???
And don't be misled by a few clever sounding terms like "post-modern class of victim", Booner. Still, the quoted sentence sounds nice as it says what the loyal visitor of the blog wants to read.

"Objective", "analysis"? - neither of the two, it is a piece which attempts to reveal contradictions in order to discredit.
Let's just have a quick look at the first bit of the blog entry:

The first 1989 paragraph is almost entirely copied from an article in the sensationalist tabloid "The Mail", with a few unacknowledged omissions and additions to the text.

The claim: "Instead of the one-room tenement that now appears in most accounts of her upbringing, we found a well-kept neighborhood of red-brick Arts and Craft-style houses which have long been home to respectable black families."

From chicagomag, linked to in the blog: "Michelle Obama, 40, grew up on Chicago's South Side. Her working-class parents rented the top floor of a two-flat from her great-aunt, who lived downstairs and taught Michelle to play the piano. Her mother stayed home with her and Craig, two years older, until they reached high school, when she took a job as an administrative assistant."

No mention of a single room, but a floor in the house of a relative. "Well-kept" and "working class" do not exclude each other. It continues to point out that the salary was higher than that of a High-school teacher at the time, as if that would somehow make the family "middle-class"
- this is spin, not "analysis".

Sorry, I didn't bother reading further, a lot of exaggerating and discrediting there, as one would expect from a site called "freedomsenemies" with a partisan agenda.

You need to learn to assess your sources and not to mistake a sloppily put-together opinion piece for "objective analysis", Boon Mee.

Jet Gorgon

^ Some lessons in social graces, poise and etiquette would not go amiss for this chick.
Most importantly, she is racist IMO and if she gets her way, there will be an even greater divide in the US. Barack will shovel funds to cash-strapped home-owners who should never have been given a mortgage in the first place. He'll let the financial sector die and shift the spotlight on how wonderful his relations with the mideast are doing. It ain't gonna happen (Bambi speak for "this will not happen.")
Sure, I think it's great that a black is running for president, but too many racial slips are popping up. Good thing neither he nor Hilde have the lead. Don't the Dems have a worthy candidate in the wings?

stroller

What's your opinion based on? Something she's said or done, that one should know about?
And what would "her way" be?
I hope you don't think putting cash into underprivileged communities qualifies as 'racism'?

Jet Gorgon

^ Only if they're all to underprivileged black communities. Come on, Stroll, listen to her comments in those various interviews.

BobbyTits

She is an ugly one

sabang

Ermm Jet, the sub Prime fiasco is with us right now, in a big way. Are you blaming the potential next first lady for this Thats a relief- I though for a minute we might have to blame a Republican administration!

It occurs to me, the Obamas are the living embodiment of the American dream!
We surely know Obamas substantial achievements, but his wife, who grew up in an impoverished south Chicago ghetto, is a summa cum laude Princeton grad.

Dontcha just wish they were Republican, and white.

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To err is human. To blame someone else is politics.

Jet Gorgon

^ I know the mortgage and credit crunch is already there. But, this chick will be the first to bail out those in "her" community (ie, the blacks), I reckon.
I do think Sen. Obama has lots of charisma and will boost many American dreams, but the racial divide will get worse if he is elected, IMO. Ghetto folk will expect him to save them and honest taxpayers of all colours will get mad coz they have to pay even more taxes.
It's all ugly and the economic and geopol scenarios won't help.

sabang

You have a point actually, he will (maybe) be swept in on a wave of 'Hope and Change'.

But reality will soon enough set in- change does not happen overnight, there are several real dilemna's facing whoever succeeds the Bush administration, and those with an 'entitlement' mentality will soon realise that they ain't at the top of the queue, nor is Obama stoopid enough to throw good money at people who ain't got it coming to them. His message is to offer them hope, and a way out- not bailouts. The US government can't afford it anyway.

So yes, I would expect there to be some disillusionment amongst the 'Gimme' crowd. But isn't there always?

BobbyTits

Not really , they get free housing , free medical insurance, free college education , food stamps.

The minute you fire one for incompetence you get smacked with a racial discrimination lawsuit.

The minute you don't hire one you get smacked with a racial discrimination lawsuit.


Not sure if most of the people on this forum have any clue what that is like.

Norton

Anyone from UK, Australia, Canada or several European countries will. Seems to be the PC thing to do these days.

Jet Gorgon

^ The only thing I got going for me is I'm a woman. Points against: white, old Canadian family, uni degree, no children or dependents, no physical or mental illneses.

stroller

Do you mean you couldn't get a job without emphasising that you are a woman and deserve preferential treatment?

- pathetic.

Jet Gorgon

^ Nope. Actually, that's what a Canadian recruiter told me when I was first seeking work here. Guess that's why I work for a US firm. They could care less if I was purple with a red mohawk, two kids strapped to my waist and the name Ray Carey. I get the job done right and on time. And I never complain.
If I'm hiring, I don't look at anything except the ability to do the job. Personality and good work ethics help. No unions. Heck, I've even hired men before. 5555

Texpat

Poor little impoverished Princeton grad.

Waaaaait a minute...

stroller

Yeah, I am sure you are right and single mothers just got to join the end of the queue if they are White to allow illegal immigrants, black pimps and addicts to take the executive jobs in Canada.

Well, it is rather generous of you to have given the other gender a chance to prove themselves.

Jet Gorgon

^ Don't forget the natives, Stroll!
Yes, I am generous to a fault. That's why I just gave you a green.