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raycarey · 19-05-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chinthee

Jet has lived and worked all over the world. She's earned her right to an opinion.

and your point?
if jet had lived and worked in one country would she not have earned a right to an opinion?

the point --and i can only hope this isn't lost on you--is that there is a difference between facts and opinions. jet needs to realize this...and perhaps you do too.

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Originally Posted by chinthee

Someone who's global expertise is say, a year in Nairobi

is there someone on this board who spent a year in nairobi? who?

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Originally Posted by chinthee

We've heard other members say they're scared to venture into Issues for fear of being attacked for having an opinion.

really? i've read posts from other members mentioning rogue mods, and that issues is becoming a lot like thai visa.

stroller · 19-05-2008, 11:52 PM

"Opinions", yeah, everybody has one.

But what is interesting is what the opinion is based on and the thoughts behind it, IMO.

Of course there is no obligation to explain or prove anything, but stating something is "true" without providing evidence and a plausible (as in reasoned) explanation is rather disingenuous in a "serious discussion".

But I agree Issues tends to be too aggressive for many, and the frequent bickering and throwing platitudes is tiresome.

chinthee · 20-05-2008, 12:01 AM

'Lay off my wife: Obama

58 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — Democratic White House front-runner Barack Obama on Monday told political foes to "lay off my wife" amid signs she could be a target for Republicans in a general election campaign.

The Illinois senator spoke out following the airing of a campaign ad by the Tennessee Republican Party, which used a remark Michelle Obama made earlier this year to question her patriotism.

"If they think that they're going to try to make Michelle an issue in this campaign, they should be careful, because that I find unacceptable, the notion that you start attacking my wife or my family," Obama told ABC television.

"These folks should lay off my wife."
Obama said his wife was the most honest person he knew, and "loves this country," and described the the ad as "low class."

The campaign ad, posted on YouTube, repeatedly featured a remark by Michelle Obama that "for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country."

It juxtaposes her comment with video of Americans from various states, relating why they are "proud" of the United States.
Michelle Obama said in the interview that she believed Americans would not be diverted by the kind of campaign tactics featured in the ad.

"We're trusting that the American voters are ready to talk about the issues and not talking about the things that have nothing to do with making people's lives better," she said.

Obama has a large lead over fellow Democrat Hillary Clinton in the party's gruelling nominating contests, with the next two primaries in Kentucky and Oregon on Tuesday.

Only five nominating contests remain in total, and Obama, and Republican presumptive nominee John McCain are increasing their attacks on one another in anticipation of a possible general election showdown.

AFP: 'Lay off my wife: Obama

raycarey · 20-05-2008, 12:12 AM

it seems you have no comments of your own to add, so i assume you won't mind if i do...

IMO this is a crafty move by obama. he knows nothing he says will stop the RNC and 527s from lowering the level of discourse with attacks like this, but this will play well with clinton supporters....he looks like a good, stand up guy, and it reminds them of who the real opponent is.

btw, isn't just a bit hypocritical for the 'family values' party to be attacking someone's family?

stroller · 20-05-2008, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

btw, isn't just a bit cynical for the 'family values' party to be attacking someone's family?

No, she's obviously a racist Marxist feminazi who's never seen a kitchen from the inside and doesn't care for her children.

Jet Gorgon · 20-05-2008, 06:02 AM

^ Ya, that was from one of her speeches in the poor black neighbourhoods (CA?) wasn't it? So, did her huz give her that line or is she making policy? America is built on capitalism, that's why it is so strong and creative. IMO. Allow people to dream and make that dream reality. Taxing the crap out of people who developed their dreams while others sought the safety of the saw mill union is not the right way to go. IMO. Sure, I make more $ than the average exec, but I also have more risks. So, why should I pay a higher percentage of my hard-earned pay? To offset, I just take bigger expenses and retirement schemes. Heck, if I want to start up another biz, I need my own capital to bankroll it, and can't write anything off until it generates some coin. Maybe I should just join the healthcare union's staff. 555

raycarey · 20-05-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

"The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more." -- Michelle Obama

no link. how surprising.

i wonder if that's because it's not something she said.

have you become so desperate (in may!) that you've resorted to simply making things up?

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You don't earn it, ya don't deserve it

except for the estate tax, right boon mee?

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

Ya, that was from one of her speeches in the poor black neighbourhoods (CA?) wasn't it?

ya, was it?
should be easy to find a link to it then.
chop chop!

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

So, did her huz give her that line or is she making policy?

good girl...put it in the form of a question. nice to see you're learning.

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Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

I just take bigger expenses and retirement schemes

jet, you posted that you already had retired. why can't you just be honest and say that you changed job/careers. who are you trying to impress...on an internet forum?

chinthee · 20-05-2008, 11:51 AM

As this campaign, and increasingly, Michelle Obama's image has come into question, it kind of begs for a makeover. McCain was very funny and a hit on Saturday Night Live. Do you think we need a fashion makeover for all these people?

Imagining the Presidential Candidates in High Fashion

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Simon Doonan used to think politicians' wardrobes were off-limits. Pols are meant to be dowdy, he writes in the New York Observer. But lately, the increasingly bitter battle for the Democratic nomination has lead to a change of heart, as has the constant pestering by journalists who want commentary on Barack Obama's ties every 20 minutes. "Maybe those fashion-obsessed journalists are on to something. Maybe it would perk things up a bit to add a little stylish sizzle into the mix," he writes. So he fantasizes about rushing to Washington with a "U-Haul stuffed with this season’s high-fashion drag" to "Rachel Zoe" the political candidates and their spouses. Thanks to the magic of Photoshop, we've created mock ups of his vision:

From left: Hillary in Comme Des Garçons; Barack in Jean Paul Gaultier; and McCain in Lanvin

Michelle Obama in Dior and Bill Clinton in Thom Browne

Whaddya think????

chinthee · 20-05-2008, 12:16 PM

Barack Obama blasts Tennessee GOP for criticism of his wife

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Earlier this year, Michelle Obama sparked controversy on the campaign trail when she said, "For the first time in my adult lifetime I'm really proud of my country."

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Asked to respond to Barack Obama's claim that the state party distorted his wife's remarks, Hobbs replied, "A lot of people said that about Jeremiah Wright's words, too, and then we found out that Jeremiah Wright really was the way he was portrayed."

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Hobbs said Michelle Obama is a campaign surrogate and "we have every right as Americans" to examine and criticize her public statements.

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"If Sen. Obama thinks that his wife can go out there and make campaign speeches and yet somehow be immune - or be off limits - to criticism for the things she says in campaign speeches on his behalf, then, he's just wrong."

Barack Obama blasts Tennessee GOP for criticism of his wife

Jet Gorgon · 20-05-2008, 12:46 PM

^ Well, tell her to shut up then.

raycarey · 20-05-2008, 01:20 PM

post the date and a quote by michelle obama that you find objectionable....and of course, a link.

btw, you'll probably have to back to the beginning of the year to find something that you can take out of context and intentionally misconstrue.

Sir Burr · 20-05-2008, 03:11 PM

Phew! Just waded through this whole thread.

Does Mrs Obama look like a monkey? No.

Does Jackie Kennedy look like a sea-gull because each of her eyes are on the side of her head? Yes.

Is Barack Obama going to be the next President? Yes.

chinthee · 20-05-2008, 03:17 PM

^Yes, I also find Michelle sexually exciting.

Sir Burr · 20-05-2008, 03:22 PM

^
You're on your own.....

BobbyTits · 20-05-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chinthee

^Yes, I also find Michelle sexually exciting.

Bet you're a fan of the Black Street Hooker series also.

Norton · 20-05-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chinthee

Yes, I also find Michelle sexually exciting.

Kinda the Jane Goodall of TD ye be CT.

Boon Mee · 20-05-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by raycarey

post the date and a quote by michelle obama that you find objectionable....and of course, a link.

btw, you'll probably have to back to the beginning of the year to find something that you can take out of context and intentionally misconstrue.

Heh...

"Life is not good: we’re a divided country, we’re a country that is “just downright mean,” we are “guided by fear,” we’re a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents. “We have become a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day." -- Michelle Obama

Or, how about: "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."-Karl Marx

Gateway Pundit: Michelle Obama: "We're Guided By Fear... We're a Nation of Cynics, Sloths and Complacents"

Boon Mee · 22-05-2008, 07:48 PM

*bump*

Heh...where's redcarey and one of his incisive rejoinders eh?

Norton · 22-05-2008, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...where's redcarey and one of his incisive rejoinders eh?

20-05-2008, 12:12 AM	#344 (permalink)
raycarey texpat's sexual obsession Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 5,550	it seems you have no comments of your own to add, so i assume you won't mind if i do... IMO this is a crafty move by obama. he knows nothing he says will stop the RNC and 527s from lowering the level of discourse with attacks like this, but this will play well with clinton supporters....he looks like a good, stand up guy, and it reminds them of who the real opponent is. btw, isn't just a bit hypocritical for the 'family values' party to be attacking someone's family? Last edited by raycarey : 20-05-2008 at 12:29 AM.

20-05-2008, 01:20 PM	#351 (permalink)
raycarey texpat's sexual obsession Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: deleting posts in issues Posts: 5,550	post the date and a quote by michelle obama that you find objectionable....and of course, a link. btw, you'll probably have to back to the beginning of the year to find something that you can take out of context and intentionally misconstrue. Last edited by raycarey : 20-05-2008 at 01:38 PM.

20-05-2008, 03:11 PM	#352 (permalink)
Sir Burr Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb Last Online: Today 09:34 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phuket. Posts: 4,997	Phew! Just waded through this whole thread. Does Mrs Obama look like a monkey? No. Does Jackie Kennedy look like a sea-gull because each of her eyes are on the side of her head? Yes. Is Barack Obama going to be the next President? Yes. Last edited by Sir Burr : 20-05-2008 at 03:21 PM.

19-05-2008, 11:52 PM	#342 (permalink)
stroller Kraut Last Online: 01-07-2008 11:03 AM Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: under the headphones Posts: 17,181	"Opinions", yeah, everybody has one. But what is interesting is what the opinion is based on and the thoughts behind it, IMO. Of course there is no obligation to explain or prove anything, but stating something is "true" without providing evidence and a plausible (as in reasoned) explanation is rather disingenuous in a "serious discussion". But I agree Issues tends to be too aggressive for many, and the frequent bickering and throwing platitudes is tiresome.

20-05-2008, 12:01 AM	#343 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 23-09-2008 07:21 AM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,033	'Lay off my wife: Obama 58 minutes ago WASHINGTON (AFP) — Democratic White House front-runner Barack Obama on Monday told political foes to "lay off my wife" amid signs she could be a target for Republicans in a general election campaign. The Illinois senator spoke out following the airing of a campaign ad by the Tennessee Republican Party, which used a remark Michelle Obama made earlier this year to question her patriotism. "If they think that they're going to try to make Michelle an issue in this campaign, they should be careful, because that I find unacceptable, the notion that you start attacking my wife or my family," Obama told ABC television. "These folks should lay off my wife." Obama said his wife was the most honest person he knew, and "loves this country," and described the the ad as "low class." The campaign ad, posted on YouTube, repeatedly featured a remark by Michelle Obama that "for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country." It juxtaposes her comment with video of Americans from various states, relating why they are "proud" of the United States. Michelle Obama said in the interview that she believed Americans would not be diverted by the kind of campaign tactics featured in the ad. "We're trusting that the American voters are ready to talk about the issues and not talking about the things that have nothing to do with making people's lives better," she said. Obama has a large lead over fellow Democrat Hillary Clinton in the party's gruelling nominating contests, with the next two primaries in Kentucky and Oregon on Tuesday. Only five nominating contests remain in total, and Obama, and Republican presumptive nominee John McCain are increasing their attacks on one another in anticipation of a possible general election showdown. AFP: 'Lay off my wife: Obama

20-05-2008, 06:02 AM	#346 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon What the Dormouse Said Last Online: Today 07:53 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rabbit Hole Posts: 7,501	^ Ya, that was from one of her speeches in the poor black neighbourhoods (CA?) wasn't it? So, did her huz give her that line or is she making policy? America is built on capitalism, that's why it is so strong and creative. IMO. Allow people to dream and make that dream reality. Taxing the crap out of people who developed their dreams while others sought the safety of the saw mill union is not the right way to go. IMO. Sure, I make more $ than the average exec, but I also have more risks. So, why should I pay a higher percentage of my hard-earned pay? To offset, I just take bigger expenses and retirement schemes. Heck, if I want to start up another biz, I need my own capital to bankroll it, and can't write anything off until it generates some coin. Maybe I should just join the healthcare union's staff. 555

20-05-2008, 12:46 PM	#350 (permalink)
Jet Gorgon What the Dormouse Said Last Online: Today 07:53 AM Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Rabbit Hole Posts: 7,501	^ Well, tell her to shut up then.

20-05-2008, 03:17 PM	#353 (permalink)
chinthee Sundance is my bff Last Online: 23-09-2008 07:21 AM Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,033	^Yes, I also find Michelle sexually exciting.

20-05-2008, 03:22 PM	#354 (permalink)
Sir Burr Rhubarb, rhubarb, rhubarb Last Online: Today 09:34 AM Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phuket. Posts: 4,997	^ You're on your own.....

22-05-2008, 07:48 PM	#358 (permalink)
Boon Mee Senior Member Last Online: Yesterday 06:47 PM Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,820	bump Heh...where's redcarey and one of his incisive rejoinders eh?