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Boon Mee

We'll see come November, won't we?

stroller

And selective, what surprise.

Jet Gorgon

Quote: "President Bush, social issues activists and several of the contenders in the 2008 presidential race were quick to react Wednesday to the Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision upholding a federal ban on the controversial procedure that opponents have labeled “partial birth abortion.”
The three Democratic presidential hopefuls leading in early preference polls...opposed the decision.
Obama weighed in with support for the dissenting opinion of Justice Ruth Ginsberg, who wrote that the ruling “tolerates, indeed applauds, federal intervention to ban nationwide a procedure found necessary and proper in certain cases by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.”


Oh, teenage girl gets preggers and decides to end the life inside of her so she can go party some more. If it IS a matter of life or death for the mom, I agree.

"In his statement, Obama said he was “extremely concerned that this ruling will embolden state legislatures to enact further measures to restrict a woman’s right to choose, and that the conservative Supreme Court justices will look for other opportunities to erode Roe v. Wade</SPAN>, which is established federal law and a matter of equal rights for women.”

I disagree. The baby has no voice in the matter, and it is a living entity.
Reaction to Court&rsquo;s Abortion Ruling Falls Along Predictable Party Lines - New York Times
No they aren't, Ray. You are looking for a utopian America. You are out of step.

raycarey

first of all, you're either very confused....or being disingenuous.

1. boon mee posted that obama "opposed any bans on partial birth abortions"---and let's just put aside for a moment how pejorative that description is.

2. i asked him to provide a link indicating that obama took this position.

3. you put up an NYT article which only states that obama's reaction to a supreme court ruling was that he was, enlighten me as to how this indicates he is "opposed to any bans on partial birth abortion'.
nice try.

next!



you aren't even american, and you're telling me i'm out of step with america?
but as boon mee posted....

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"Is Obama a Muslim, or a Christian with a crazy pastor or a Communist atheist with a hippie mom?
Is he ruthless and overly ambitious or naive and weak? Is he an outsider who is "foreign" to our values or a country club goer?
Is he too South Side, too "black" or too Hyde Park and elitist?
Does he resent white people or is he part of the elite that sneers at blue-collars? Does he not care about "little people" or is he a socialist who will redistribute hard-earned money to everyone?"

raycarey

so start a thread then....this one is about michelle obama....and how often she says "you know", and the thesis she wrote 20 years ago, and how some think she looks like a character in planet of the apes.

chinthee

Michelle Obama obviously has strong views on this Wright debacle. I watched her reaction, sitting by Barak's side while he was explaining the Wright issue.

She gave a CNN interview today.


Michelle Obama: Let's move past Wright, get back to issues

Michelle Obama: Let's move past Wright, get back to issues - CNN.com

I admire her spunk and intelligence. I have a feeling there are lots of things smoldering under her cool surface, but she's smart to exercise restraint. She'll need it in the White House.....

Texpat

^What's the difference between moving forward and turning the page?

It is what it is and they can't escape it, they have to deal with it. I personally think the "blue-collars have to cling to guns and religion" comment will resonate far longer in the minds of voters.

sabang

Good old Faux are going for the jugular on this rather trivial issue.

Considering the massive media attention to it (Much, much more than devoted to such small things as, say, what Obama proposes to do about the economy, and Iraq) I have to ask a question- is this really so important to the average American?

It's quite clear to me that the Republicans want Hillary to win the Dem nomination- shit, right now they're amongst her biggest fans. Why might that be?

This fact alone should give rational people pause for thought. But are electorates rational?

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East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,

chinthee

^^Well, here you go:

Obama's wife joins push to court working class

Obama's wife joins push to court working class | Politics | Reuters

chinthee

I watched the Bill O'Reilly interview part 1 this morning and he really let Hilary slide, much more so than normal I thought. At the same time, she did very well against him, and Fox then had their "analysts" on praising Hilary as the one who can win the Reagan Democrats, etc..

Fox seems to be on a "destroy Obama" mission right now, so they must think McCain has a better chance against Hilary than against Obama.

Texpat

Michelle Obama can try to court the middle class all she wants. But it's painfully obvious that two Harvard lawyers, one a US senator and one a hospital administrator, that combined for a cool mil every year since 05, are not typical middle class folk. Maybe she thinks the connection would come naturally because she's black (working a negative stereotype to her favor).

Empathy, OK. Understanding certainly. But the whole, "I'm here with you," line is a bit much.

Certainly the McCains and Clintons wouldn't try it. Wonder why Michelle is.

raycarey

you must be watching a different campaign than the rest of us.

sabang

^^ I basically agree. Presidential contenders are not everyday normal folk, so why should they pretend to be so? Accuse them of being elitist, how terrible. Of course they're bluddy elitist, they're running for the Presidency.

Michelle's definitely humble beginnings, and subsequent achievements, might score a degree of empathy with some. As might Obamas growing up in a one parent family- although middle class really. Dunno- was this considered a positive factor in Bill Clintons election?

Or, conversely, was Bushes rather large silver spoon (both of them) considered a negative factor in running for Pres? You certainly could not accuse them of being normal folk.

stroller

Don't the Obamas come from a working class/lower middle-class background?

This is not something which disappears with education or money.

chinthee

^Stroller is right. The scars, if you want to call them that, of being raised poor and disadvantaged, then struggling to and reaching high success, never leave someone. Hilary again, today, did a great job of circumventing O'Reilly's usual tricks. She called herself and him wealthy people who were blessed. She completely diffused the issue by not trying to pretend she's normal folk.

Don't think they serve beer on Bill's show though...

Boon Mee

Why is it you left-leaning folks consider this a trivial issue when it is clearly not? If anything, it reveals BO's character - or lack of one...

sabang

^ Left leaning might be your gettout clause there.
The official Leftist ideology is Atheism booner.
But I really don't see why such a huge fuss.
The way I grew up, if some scatty Priest spouted nonsense, people just shrugged their shoulders.

Boon Mee

Your point?

stroller