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Old 15-04-2008, 03:43 PM   #181 (permalink)
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I tend to agree with chinthee on this one. Bush gets a lot of flack because he deserve it - in many respects. Sure some of it is over the top, but Clinton got his share of over the top criticism as well - as will the next president, and the next....

Bush gets more than most because he deserves more than most have.

Rather than boo-hoo the criticism I am just happy to be part of a society that allows for such heavy criticism of our government officials to take place. Hopefully the red team can learn a few things from the more intelligently formulated criticism.
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Old 15-04-2008, 04:05 PM   #182 (permalink)
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Well, this is interesting. Michelle Obama is appearing tonight on the Colbert Report, while at the same time, Hilary is appearing on Thursday night. During all this, Barak has refused invitations to appear. Generally, appearing on the Comedy Central program has greatly helped candidates.

So, what to make of this? My take is that Obama is too clever to appear himself and subject himself to further blue collar scrutiny, but at the same time sees the need for his wife to "lighten up" her image. It think it's a winning strategy.

Meanwhile, Hilary will likely bomb on the show. She is stiff, hasn't a comedic bone in her body (apart from Bill's - ok cheap shot), but seriously, she will not come off as "cool" or tuned in on this important venue.

Advantage: Obama.

So, what do women think of Hilary? Many of us supported her early on, but as she has revealed, she has no affinity with women's values so much as personal ambition. Michelle might prove to be the woman's champion in the end, even if she does first favor black women.
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Old 15-04-2008, 05:03 PM   #183 (permalink)
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What I object to is people continually bashing a president who, in the end, will be little better or worse than the next one. As if the sky will open in January and a chorus will sing and all will be right in the world if Democrats take the White House.
to the contrary, when obama is sworn into office he'll have a tremendously difficult task ahead of him....7 years of failed bush economic policies will take years (if not more) to correct. bush's war is also not going to be resolved as quickly as many hope. but what he will be able to do is reach out to the international community in a way that the current regime never did. the prospect of having a true coaltion of international forces in iraq is improbable (who would want to get involved at this point?), but it is slightly more likely with someone like obama as president.
jesus, "old europe"? "freedom fries"?....and you think this admin has taken too much abuse from critics?

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I object to the petty, childish villification of a man who happened to be in the chair at the time.
"happened to be in the chair at the time".....what in god's name are you on about? he started a war of choice against a country that had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with 9/11. it didn't 'happen' to him, he made it happen. HE pulled the trigger.

granted he was duped by his underlings, but he should have known better than to take the job in the first place because he just doesn't have the intellect for it. in fact, if anyone is to blame for this bush presidency, it's the bush family and its advisors like jim baker. they knew what a dope he was before they put him up for the job.....but they did it anyway. given the choice, do you think they'd do it again?

very, very, unlikely. just go to youtube and watch 41 cry.
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Old 15-04-2008, 05:11 PM   #184 (permalink)
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"happened to be in the chair at the time".....what in god's name are you on about?
Get a grip there teach or ya ain't gonna make it 'till November...
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Old 17-04-2008, 12:20 AM   #185 (permalink)
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Michelle was pretty composed and chilled out on Colbert, but she started almost every reply with "you know".
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Old 17-04-2008, 05:24 PM   #186 (permalink)
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Well, she does have a jr. college degree in Socialism don't ya know!
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Old 17-04-2008, 05:40 PM   #187 (permalink)
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No.
Actually I didn't know "Socialism" is something one could graduate in.

Are you drunk or has life on the rig blurred the boundaries between reality and imagination?
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Old 17-04-2008, 05:43 PM   #188 (permalink)
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in his sad little world, anyone with an advanced degree went to 'jr college'. bizarre.


i guess that's what results from only going to a CA state school.....in the seventies, no less.
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Old 28-04-2008, 02:20 AM   #189 (permalink)
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I know Ray is/was waiting for me to post this!

"Michelle Obama's Name Removed from Terrorist Fundraiser's Web Page - Update: Terror Fundraiser's Page Disappears!"

lgf: Michelle Obama's Name Removed from Terrorist Fundraiser's Web Page - Update: Terror Fundraiser's Page Disappears!

Let's see now...there's that pesky Tony Rezco, Bill Ayers, the so-called "Rev" Wright, rednecks who cling to their guns & religion...I know I'm forgetting more but that's OK.

Honestly, you just can't make this stuff up!
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Old 28-04-2008, 07:24 AM   #190 (permalink)
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^ Sorry, Booners, I don't jive with that sh*t. Anybody can make a web page and add somebody's name to it.
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Old 28-04-2008, 07:09 PM   #191 (permalink)
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^ Sorry, Booners, I don't jive with that sh*t. Anybody can make a web page and add somebody's name to it.
Not in this case if you read how the names were posted. It seems the individual him or herself has to initiate the "friends" link before addition.

Really small potatoes in light we know both her and her husband are Marxist-sympathizers & America-haters.
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Honestly, you just can't make this stuff up!
You've done quite well so far.
Unfortunately, nobody buys.
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Old 28-04-2008, 07:38 PM   #193 (permalink)
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Honestly, you just can't make this stuff up!
You've done quite well so far.
Unfortunately, nobody buys.
Well, when you're solidly entrenched within the mindset of someone who, confronted with reality, you just seal it off - it's hard to get you to see the light, eh?
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"Projection", Booner, "projection".

You've been conspicuously silent on the subject of his actions in office so far, which is quite a relevant chunk of 'reality'.
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"Projection", Booner, "projection".

You've been conspicuously silent on the subject of his actions in office so far, which is quite a relevant chunk of 'reality'.
Au contraire there as I've pointed out many times he's ranked right up there as the most Liberal-voting senator in Congress.
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This has been proven to be false already - more spin.

You have not commented on the bills and amendments he initiated, nor looked at them, I suspect.

This is the reality you do not wish to face, since it would contradict what you parrot from loony right-wing blogs.
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This has been proven to be false already - more spin.
Heh...

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It is in one of the Obama threads, didn't you read it, it was in response to one of your posts.

This is what makes 'debating' with you tiresome, you keep recycling material which has been refuted already.
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You want examples?

Here's just a partial list...

Voted against extending the Bush tax cuts on capital gains and dividends.

· Voted against permanently repealing the Death Tax. (Called the cuts a "Paris Hilton" tax break for "billionaire heirs and heiresses") · Voted against CAFTA.


· Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25.


· Opposed the lifting of $0.54 per gallon tariff on cheaper Brazillian ethanol. Said, "ethanol imports are neither necessary nor a practical response to current gasoline prices."


· Voted against the bankruptcy abuse bill.


· Opposes privatizing Social Security


· Voted against drilling in ANWR.


· Voted against confirmation of Sam Alito AND John Roberts as chief justice.


· Voted against extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision.


· Opposed any bans on partial birth abortions.

As I said, this guy's a wrong-o...
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